It's amazing how they say certain other people or parties are "undermining our institutions," yet he and his party do the exact same thing whenever they don't get their way.
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It's amazing how they say certain other people or parties are "undermining our institutions," yet he and his party do the exact same thing whenever they don't get their way.
Yeah, that’s a false equivalency. The GOP has never suggested court packing. The GOP has never suggested the abolishment of the Supreme Court. The GOP has never suggested that individual justices will “reap the whirlwind” because of their actions. But the Democratic Party has done everyone of those things within the last year. The genius of the structure of the United States government is that it rests on three separate branches, the executive branch, the legislative branch, and the judicial branch. Each of which counterbalances overreach by the others. Currently the Democratic party controls two of the three branches and is actively trying to delegitimize the third. That is extraordinarily destabilizing.
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considering cases went down once the vaccine went down, yea. its one of the key purposes of vaccines. its not guaranteed every time, but it definitely helped. impossible to overthink it
theyre both toxic and there is no way it gets fixed unless theres some sort of revolution. i just cant see it any other way
This is the guy who gave fiery speech in 2017 saying it was reprehensible to make statements critical of the SC because you contribute to it’s delegitimization.In fairness he probably forgot he made those statements
I would say it kind of follows the annual flu season pattern. The flu rises in the winter months, then at the end of winter you see the number of cases go down. Not sure I would credit the vaccine for the dip in cases when the dip was followed by a rise only a few months later. The key purpose of vaccine is to prevent you from getting a virus which this did not do as evidence of what happened 6-7 months ago. Heck I would credit the natural disinfectant properties of the sun more than the vaccine. If it was the vaccine I would it we would have sporadic but rare breakthrough cases where vaccinated and boosted people got the virus. Way too many got it.
Just curious what caused the drop in cases 4 months ago? The boosters? LOL
I would say the key purpose of a vaccine is to minimize the risk of a catastrophic illness. The key metrics for evaluating the success of the vaccine are probably total number of hospitalizations and total number of fatalities
Ok I can ride with that. As I said in my original comment on the matter I don’t think it lessened the spread as much as it lessened the severity of the impact the virus would have. I just can’t buy that is lessened the spread. If you look at any chart of flu cases for the last 50 years, for crying out loud we call it flu season for a reason, itfollows the same pattern as the Covid 19 pattern the last 2 years. I’m not going to credit the vaccine because they rolled it out during that time frame especially when the same pattern followed in the 2021-2022 season without a new vaccine.
In your expert doctor opinion, what has caused flu cases to drop for the last 50 years at the same time of year without a vaccine being rolled out every January/February? And do you not see similarities in cases in Covid spike and drops the last 2 years only one of which had a vaccine rolled out. It sure appears the natural cycle of a virus came and went like it does every year. But I could be wrong using 50+ years of data.
This. Looking back, COVID has been a significantly more serious/deadly flu. By far most of the victims had comorbidities, didn’t address symptoms early enough. (Hopefully, that’s THE MESSAGE we take away from the pandemic. The vaccine certainly curtailed the severity of illness and death. Everything else is just noise.
In some states, yes.
And in other states, abortion at any time for any reason, which is nearly as bad.
well, personally i think this is 100x worse and no reason to have a rule for it.
just more proof that the party in those states put other things ahead of living people. call a spade a spade. if your alive then f u.
religion clearly holds too much power.
Religion holds too much power? What??? I'd argue many of the societal breakdowns and policies of today are due to a complete abandonment of religion. I say this as someone who has admittedly not gone to church in years, but who has never forgotten how he was raised in a Catholic family. I think a lot of people view religion with outright hatred, which saddens me. Religion isn't perfect, but it's a good bedrock for how to live life.
I wouldn’t limit it to just religion. Breakdown in faith and family. It’s a safety net and guidepost very often. We all need someone or something to lean on. When social media is your moral barometer….probleemo….
You know what they say about opinions. And religion holds less sway in the US than at any time since it's founding. Ireland, a largely Catholic country, had exceptions in place when abortion was legal there: rape, life-threatening conditions, etc. I am sure that states with these trigger laws will get on board. At least, I hope so. But note that these cases are few and far between, the rarest of the rare cases of "necessary" abortion. But of course you and others will hold them up as common, and a reason for unfettered abortions.
I never got the opposition to adoption. America currently has the highest number of same sex marriages. I would think adoption requests would be at an all time considering that fact. Unless of course men can really get pregnant.
Go figure. Hypocrites say that pro-lifers only care about the baby until it's born. There have been ~100 attacks on pregnancy aid centers since the leak, the places doing exactly what the pro-abortion mob says they don't. That's likely more than any attacks on abortion clinics over the past 50 years.
As for men getting pregnant....stay tuned.
right now a lot of states dont have exceptions. and i dont think they plan on it. not sure whats going on in ohio right now but last i checked the situation involving the 10 yr old was pretty sick.
i dont think exceptions are as rare as you think. especially when its health related. many cases. right now some women are forced to birth miscarraiges, there are rules limiting IVF and things like that. its more wide reaching than you think
You don't think so? Well, I know so. Was it you who asked someone else earlier in the thread if he/she was a doctor?
Miscarriages are also known as spontaneous abortions, they happen naturally. Unfortunately, sometimes, they have to deliver the still born -- and this has long been the case. Nothing will change in this regard, and nothing will change in the treatment of ectopic pregnancies, either. I agree with you on one thing: the girl in Ohio should not have had to go through that, if the story is true.
I guess religion shows up and goes away when it wants. Shows up too much on the abortion issue but when people are shooting people up we don't have enough religion. Some can argue we need much more religion in our nation after we see the events happening around this country lately.
i dont think ive ever heard religion be entered in the gun conversation, of course i dont frequent nutjob forums.
we all know religion has a historically peaceful lineage lmao.
You never heard it or probably thought about it because they don’t want you to think about it. How can the people setting the media narrative promote religion into society and want people to be pro choice? Plenty of people who talk daily that our society is a reflection of our loss of nations origins of Judeo Christian values.
typically gun violence conversation revolves around legislation, which isnt allowed to be dictated by religion.
i dont know pushing glorified canturbury tales is the answer. the sense community more so, maybe. again, all religions are certainly peaceful historically. we should push catholicism more. instead of gunning down kids they can hust diddle them.
Grouping all people by the worst examples you can find of the group. Consistency at its finest. Do you call this Catholic culture? Amazing you even associate with a Catholic school. I’m sure you have some doozies on how you group people based on nationalities.
hey man i deal in data and a pattern is a pattern and a correlation is a correlation. youd prob agree with me on demographic of generic violent crime data. yea you would.
btw. is the vatican just a bad apple? the entire ecosystem of catholicism? i mean i guess its only a few people on the globe. meaningless.
Question What other organized religion takes a stand on abortion excluding evangelists ?
Catholicism is a belief not people. The actions of those don’t always speak for the group. Bill Clinton and JFK banged every chick they can while married based on your logic I guess you can group all Americans that way or were they bad apples. The ecosystem of our government with a slush fund? Does your logic stay consistent with view of America and follow your view of Catholicism.
as for dealing in data. How many priests are there around the globe? How many have committed the horrible acts you associate with all priests?
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https://www.axios.com/2022/07/09/shutdowndc-supreme-court-abortion-roe-protest
Not in violation of Twitters privacy policy? Hmmm
Pretty despicable
Not in violation of Twitters privacy policy? Hmmm
Pretty despicable
I believe every Tom Dick and Harry were putting up fake locations. They were supposedly getting bombarded with fake locations over the weekend. I wonder if the Twitter will be upset with those people. They will probably get them for sending people to high crime areas late at night.
I wonder what percent of progressives think it is ok to harass judges kids because you don’t like the judge’s decision.I guess the right to an abortion is such a sacred right that the ends justify the means and if a few kids are traumatized it is unfortunate collateral damage.Got to marvel at these brave warriors ruining everyone’s dinner because they hate Kavanugh someone should have went outside and told the little cry babies to leave.A demented president encouraging protests against judges will likely only stop it a judge is hurt by a protestor.He should be concerned that NYT poll today says 64% of dems don’t want him to run again Oh I forgot he doesn’t believe the polls.
I think people should be locked up for harassment if they go too far. I think some of these protestors actually do the cause more harm. It allows Conservatives to bash this type of behavior.
Time to change tactics. No matter how much protesting, these judges are not going to change their mind. Change your tactics. Go out and vote. In my opinion, the abortion backlash will hit Republicans in 5-7 years. Outlawing abortion will create the pendulum to swing too far.
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