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Just witnessed to quote Carino the most absurd end to a FB game.

Rutgers up 3. Illinois (ranked 24th) facing 4th down attempting a 58 yard FG into the wind with 13 seconds remaining. Schiano calls TO ostensibly to ice the kicker. Illinois reconsiders and out of the timeout throws a touchdown and RU loses on senior day. What was GS thinking?

His game day coaching is truly suspect.
 
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SHUHoopsFan said:
Quite possibly the dumbest thread I could imagine after what I watched last night. Laughing at a team that just had a lead on a ranked team with 15 seconds left. You can’t make it up.
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Two things can be true at the same time. The SHU program is a dumpster fire, and Schiano made an inexcusable coaching blunder.
 
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SPK145 said:
Every coach would have called that timeout to ice the kicker. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
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Disagree. No way on a 58 yarder would EVERY SINGLE ONE call a timeout. Insane. And I suspect with a comment like that you didn't watch the ending and the situation.
 
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SHUMAN said:
Two things can be true at the same time. The SHU program is a dumpster fire, and Schiano made an inexcusable coaching blunder.
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And they're going to have a lot more to laugh at with us than we're going to have to laugh at them for. So it's better to just shut the hell up.
 
SHUMAN said:
Disagree. No way on a 58 yarder would EVERY SINGLE ONE call a timeout. Insane. And I suspect with a comment like that you didn't watch the ending and the situation.
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I watched. And you would be wrong. A field goal wins it for Illinois, the kicker had already kicked a 59-yarder earlier in the season, 18 seconds to go in the game, and Rutgers had all 3 timeouts left. Everyone would have called a timeout there. And if they lined up to kick it again, he would be right to continue to call timeouts.
 
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SHUHoopsFan said:
I made a factual statement. But don't worry I'm still thinking there might be a dumber thread topic you could've made, I just haven't come up with it yet.
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You’re a bore. A tedious one at that. Thankfully you’re easily ignored. Don’t like my factual posts? Don’t read them. Spare the 90% who weren’t so irritated as you by not commenting. And please take a breath next time. Peace brother.
 
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I think some people are missing the point. It’s not that schiano called the timeout, as most coaches undoubtedly would, it’s that he called it late enough to allow the player to get the kick off on the dead play. schiano admitted as much himself. By allowing the player to get the kick off on the dead play, it gave the Illinois coach a chance to second guess himself, realize the futility of the initial plan and the unlikelihood of his kicker converting at that distance, and call up something different. In the end, by not calling the timeout a little earlier, schiano helped set in motion his team’s demise. Indeed, he did it wrong.
 
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Hall-O-Daze said:
I think some people are missing the point. It’s not that schiano called the timeout, as most coaches undoubtedly would, it’s that he called it late enough to allow the player to get the kick off on the dead play. schiano admitted as much himself. By allowing the player to get the kick off on the dead play, it gave the Illinois coach a chance to second guess himself, realize the futility of the initial plan and the unlikelihood of his kicker converting at that distance, and call up something different. In the end, by not calling the timeout a little earlier, schiano helped set in motion his team’s demise. Indeed, he did it wrong.
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Sorry but nobody thought his kick would only go 40 yards. Nobody. Not one Illinois coach. Not one Rutgers coach. That shocked everyone. It’s not like Schiano said this kid will only kick it 40 yards, let me call a timeout. I think most people at the time of the first kick thought he had a fighting chance of making it. How many kicks have you seen right after the timeout that were 15 yards short. I’ll bet this was the first one ever.
 
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SHUHoopsFan said:
Sorry but nobody thought his kick would only go 40 yards. Nobody. Not one Illinois coach. Not one Rutgers coach. That shocked everyone. It’s not like Schiano said this kid will only kick it 40 yards, let me call a timeout. I think most people at the time of the first kick thought he had a fighting chance of making it. How many kicks have you seen right after the timeout that were 15 yards short. I’ll bet this was the first one ever.
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That was my point. It - correctly - changed his head coach’s mind. Had the kick not been previewed, he would have eventually gotten his chance and in all likelihood missed. Game Over. The distance and the conditions were far from ideal. Are you actually debating this? schiano even admitted postgame he should have called the timeout earlier.
 
SHUHoopsFan said:
Sorry but nobody thought his kick would only go 40 yards. Nobody. Not one Illinois coach. Not one Rutgers coach. That shocked everyone. It’s not like Schiano said this kid will only kick it 40 yards, let me call a timeout. I think most people at the time of the first kick thought he had a fighting chance of making it. How many kicks have you seen right after the timeout that were 15 yards short. I’ll bet this was the first one ever.
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How do you go from “WGAS” to breaking down the play in depth?
 
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Hall-O-Daze said:
That was my point. It - correctly - changed his head coach’s mind. Had the kick not been previewed, he would have eventually gotten his chance and in all likelihood missed. Game Over. The distance and the conditions were far from ideal. Are you actually debating this? schiano even admitted postgame he should have called the timeout earlier.
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Nobody ever thought the kick would change the coach’s mind. Everyone thought he had a chance to make it. It’s not the stadium was excited to see the kicker come out. In that moment it wasn’t a bad decision because nobody knew what would happen next. You’ve seen probably 500 kicks after the timeout and probably twice they didn’t line up for the kick after. The result of that kick doesn’t change the mind of a coach 1% of the time.

Powerball is almost $500 million. If you know the right answer before the fact Seton Hall won’t have NIL issues. Telling everyone what they should’ve done after the fact is easy.
 
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Hall Is Life said:
How do you go from “WGAS” to breaking down the play in depth?
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I know what happened so I can talk about it but the fact this brings happiness to Seton Hall fans is sad. I mean how many SHU fans are 90% confident we beat FAU on neutral court, yet we’re talking smack about a competitive team. It’s the essentiallly we suck so let’s find joy in other peoples misery thread. Classy.
 
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SHUHoopsFan said:
Nobody ever thought the kick would change the coach’s mind. Everyone thought he had a chance to make it. It’s not the stadium was excited to see the kicker come out. In that moment it wasn’t a bad decision because nobody knew what would happen next. You’ve seen probably 500 kicks after the timeout and probably twice they didn’t line up for the kick after. The result of that kick doesn’t change the mind of a coach 1% of the time.

Powerball is almost $500 million. If you know the right answer before the fact Seton Hall won’t have NIL issues. Telling everyone what they should’ve done after the fact is easy.
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None of that changes the fact that once the Illinois head coach saw the kick previewed, and the result, he elected to go a different route. And he was right. You can hee and hay all you want, but that’s exactly what happened. I give you some credit for trying to over explain the situation(and ridiculously dragging our NIL situation into the equation)just so you can argue with everyone in the thread. However, if greg schiano admits it was a mistake, I’m going to go ahead and take his expertise on the situation over yours.
 
Hall-O-Daze said:
None of that changes the fact that once the Illinois head coach saw the kick previewed, and the result, he elected to go a different route. And he was right. You can hee and hay all you want, but that’s exactly what happened. I give you some credit for trying to over explain the situation(and ridiculously dragging our NIL situation into the equation)just so you can argue with everyone in the thread. However, if greg schiano admits it was a mistake, I’m going to go ahead and take his expertise on the situation over yours.
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You mean when he said maybe? Lol. Twist away.
 
SPK145 said:
I watched. And you would be wrong. A field goal wins it for Illinois, the kicker had already kicked a 59-yarder earlier in the season, 18 seconds to go in the game, and Rutgers had all 3 timeouts left. Everyone would have called a timeout there. And if they lined up to kick it again, he would be right to continue to call timeouts.
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Nope. It was stupid decision considering the strong wind, missed PAT earlier in that direction, and that statistically icing a kicker results are insignificant. You want Illinois taking that kick in those conditions. Burning a timeout gave Bielema time to realize the best option was to go for it. Never interrupt your enemy when they are in middle of making a mistake. To think every coach would have done the same is ludicrous.
 
Yeah, can’t kill Schiano for taking that TO. But more importantly, The Big 10 besides Ohio St and Oregon is not that good. I’m not impressed by Penn St and Indiana has no business being considered 1 of the top 12 teams in the country to make the CFP. A lot of average and below average teams in that league. Rutgers is clinging to the Average title of this year.
 
illinois didnt have timeouts. the bigger problem isn't the timeout, it's giving up. 50 yard TD to a throw in the middle of the field.
 
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I watched. And you would be wrong. A field goal wins it for Illinois, the kicker had already kicked a 59-yarder earlier in the season, 18 seconds to go in the game, and Rutgers had all 3 timeouts left. Everyone would have called a timeout there. And if they lined up to kick it again, he would be right to continue to call timeouts.
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Just to clarify, in college football, you cannot call consecutive defensive timeouts. If he had been able to do so, he would have probably called a time out when the offense came out after the timeout to better set their defense on the Hail Mary. Most of those in the know seem to agree that if he had that opportunity, the defensive scheme for the last play would have been different, especially since some key men in the defensive backfield had been injured during the course of the game.
 
Pure and simple. Do not call a timeout and let the kicker try to hit the field goal.

There was no way that was going to happen. The rest is just minutia.
 
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