Sha’s Lack of Accountability

[Piratz]

The whole thing is crazy. Amazing people in leadership positions think this is acceptable. I know the Courts make rulings, but nobody seems to be trying to come up with a better solution.

Micah Peavy from Georgetown is on his 3rd school in 5 seasons, 3rd in 3 years. Our own Chaunce Jenkins is on his 3rd in 5 too. Toumi is actually on his 4th including a JUCO year.

 

[hallstorm]

Yes, but my guess is he had one of the most lucrative.

I know it is life changing money for most all these kids.

I’m just saying that I think the HC and situation play a role in player retention, at least for some kids. I’m sure Duke didn’t get out-NIL’ed for Jeremy Roach even with Baylor no doubt having resources. I think the ability to get minutes at the PG slot coupled with a coach who has recently developed a number of professional guards played a role in that too.

Sorry but I don’t agree one iota with this sentiment. This isn’t going to the major leagues and developing a career there for a long time.

This is all a one-year deal with the highest bidder because every—every—single kid pretty much believes they’re the best at what they do. They do not think like normal people such as you and I do and 99% don’t analyze their circumstances as much as they tell the press.

And even if Baylor offered the exact same as Duke, it’s like arguing whether Soto was staying with the Yankees or going to the Mets. It wasn’t really like the other 26 teams (I’ll give you maybe Boston and Toronto) had a chance.

Seton Hall isn’t even in the Kansas City Royals arena relative to the rest of college basketball.

 

[radecicco]

Hey, my KC Royals won a World Series fairly recently!

 

[dehere23]

Sorry but I don’t agree one iota with this sentiment. This isn’t going to the major leagues and developing a career there for a long time.

This is all a one-year deal with the highest bidder because every—every—single kid pretty much believes they’re the best at what they do. They do not think like normal people such as you and I do and 99% don’t analyze their circumstances as much as they tell the press.

And even if Baylor offered the exact same as Duke, it’s like arguing whether Soto was staying with the Yankees or going to the Mets. It wasn’t really like the other 26 teams (I’ll give you maybe Boston and Toronto) had a chance.

Seton Hall isn’t even in the Kansas City Royals arena relative to the rest of college basketball.

Neither of us know for sure. We only know what is out there publicly or if one somehow has reliable information from a legit source. I don’t trust 99% of the stuff related to NIL or players that gets leaked to folks on boards like this from a staff or someone connected to the school because 99% of the time those folks are incentivized to say a kid left for more NIL money and not other reasons.

My view on all this is the same common sense factors that drive career-decisions impacts what these kids do. Which tells me $ is a factor but not the only factor for some.

 

[Piratz]

There's so much misinformation because the whole industry is a hustle.

But it's also not complicated: The entire world knows Seton Hall has a weak NIL and was behind in acknowledging it as the new world order. When we hired McBride he had to go to great lengths to try to pitch we weren't behind and it wasn't a lost cause as it was so well known. 🤣 Secondly, the results prove it out as we're 5-8 NET 176 with 5 losses in Q3/Q4. We stink. We have lost our best players every year. There's a correlation here.

We shouldn't stink this much with the resources we do have IMO, so there's some coaching responsibility in there too ofc. What I don't know is whether or not there are untapped resources out there that The Hall simply hasn't connected with because of their typical meandering ways.

 

[MBF72]

The Larranaga thread has Miami and Iowa fighting over Shaheen for next year. Wouldn't that be a hoot if he goes 4-16 in the Big East and amid all the drama on this board. I know posters will say he always had his eye on the Hall, but speaking of Larranaga, wonder what would have happened if he remained loyal to St. Peter's for another year (as Larranaga did at George Mason): the sqad at St. Peter's stays, and they win the MAAC again and get to the second or third round to the NCAAs. Bet he could have almost written his own ticket.

 

[williaza01]

The Larranaga thread has Miami and Iowa fighting over Shaheen for next year. Wouldn't that be a hoot if he goes 4-16 in the Big East and amid all the drama on this board. I know posters will say he always had his eye on the Hall, but speaking of Larranaga, wonder what would have happened if he remained loyal to St. Peter's for another year (as Larranaga did at George Mason): the sqad at St. Peter's stays, and they win the MAAC again and get to the second or third round to the NCAAs. Bet he could have almost written his own ticket.

Sorry that was me and sarcastic because that poster said before we hired Sha that it was taking too long and we screwed it up and he referenced Iowa canning mcaffrey and making a run at Sha which was ridiculous

It was him trying to put the school down again

 

[HallX2]

Give Sha the resources and he will succeed. Surely even those here with alligator arms know that

 

[hallgrad80]

Give Sha the resources and he will succeed. Surely even those here with alligator arms know that

Not with his recent end of game decisions.

 

[radecicco]

Not with his recent end of game decisions.

It’s not all on the players of course but you have to have players who can execute in the end game. Most/all of our guys have not been in these situations previously.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Give Sha the resources and he will succeed. Surely even those here with alligator arms know that

If we had the resources the previous guy wouldn't have left, Gonzo would've had better teams, etc. Resources magically dried up when a couple of big time donors started rooming with Bubba. Amazing how the timing of those things coincided.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

There's so much misinformation because the whole industry is a hustle.

But it's also not complicated: The entire world knows Seton Hall has a weak NIL and was behind in acknowledging it as the new world order. When we hired McBride he had to go to great lengths to try to pitch we weren't behind and it wasn't a lost cause as it was so well known. 🤣 Secondly, the results prove it out as we're 5-8 NET 176 with 5 losses in Q3/Q4. We stink. We have lost our best players every year. There's a correlation here.

We shouldn't stink this much with the resources we do have IMO, so there's some coaching responsibility in there too ofc. What I don't know is whether or not there are untapped resources out there that The Hall simply hasn't connected with because of their typical meandering ways.

The excuse that Seton Hall was behind in accepting NIL is no longer relevant. You know what would've happened if Arkansas was late to the the NIL party, they would've called up Walmart and Jerry Jones and within a matter of minutes would be leading. Whether SHU was first to the party or last to the party there would still be the same problem as we don't have the customer base that will deliver the funds to the school. Unfortunately that's part of the job at SHU. It's not like we lost out on customers to a competitor. Even if we were first to the party, we'd still be one of the lowest NILs in the big east. It's nice to get a lot of 4-5 figure donations from people but you're competing with schools with 4-5 people giving mid to high 6 figure donations.

 

[Piratz]

The excuse that Seton Hall was behind in accepting NIL is no longer relevant. You know what would've happened if Arkansas was late to the the NIL party, they would've called up Walmart and Jerry Jones and within a matter of minutes would be leading. Whether SHU was first to the party or last to the party there would still be the same problem as we don't have the customer base that will deliver the funds to the school. Unfortunately that's part of the job at SHU. It's not like we lost out on customers to a competitor. Even if we were first to the party, we'd still be one of the lowest NILs in the big east. It's nice to get a lot of 4-5 figure donations from people but you're competing with schools with 4-5 people giving mid to high 6 figure donations.

That's the part I don't know. We don't have the same base as a larger school, that is true. Those who preferred to send funds to the new facility (also was a dire need) or Pirate Blue over NIL limited us to date. To what extent? I don't know, but it was real. We have always struggled institutionally to build the endowment relative to student size compared to others of similar scale because we're operationally inept historically. Both things are true. To what extent they've optimized it is my question, I have no clue.

Maybe you're right and we're totally tapped out and have been on top of this since day one building outreach and understanding of what NIL means. If that's the case, well, welcome to the early-1980's. We'll see.

 

[HallX2]

Not with his recent end of game decisions.

You don’t see the connection? I think that’s a big part of the problem

 

[MBF72]

Sorry that was me and sarcastic because that poster said before we hired Sha that it was taking too long and we screwed it up and he referenced Iowa canning mcaffrey and making a run at Sha which was ridiculous

It was him trying to put the school down again

Ha, ha. Well, OK because I never saw Shaheen in Iowa!

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

That's the part I don't know. We don't have the same base as a larger school, that is true. Those who preferred to send funds to the new facility (also was a dire need) or Pirate Blue over NIL limited us to date. To what extent? I don't know, but it was real. We have always struggled institutionally to build the endowment relative to student size compared to others of similar scale because we're operationally inept historically. Both things are true. To what extent they've optimized it is my question, I have no clue.

Maybe you're right and we're totally tapped out and have been on top of this since day one building outreach and understanding of what NIL means. If that's the case, well, welcome to the early-1980's. We'll see.

My point is it comes down to money and being first in embracing NIL and being proactive before anyone else wouldn't have made SHU's current situation any better because the schools that would have been behind us would catch up and pass us with a couple checks. I can't argue with anyone who says why the hell am I paying someone wear the jersey for 1 year. What a crappy ROI.

 

[HallX2]

My point is it comes down to money and being first in embracing NIL and being proactive before anyone else wouldn't have made SHU's current situation any better because the schools that would have been behind us would catch up and pass us with a couple checks. I can't argue with anyone who says why the hell am I paying someone wear the jersey for 1 year. What a crappy ROI.

I agree that real problem isnt that we needed to be faster. speed without the big bucks wasn’t going to get us a different outcome

 

[williaza01]

Ha, ha. Well, OK because I never saw Shaheen in Iowa!

Sorry

 

[Fishjam]

The excuse that Seton Hall was behind in accepting NIL is no longer relevant. You know what would've happened if Arkansas was late to the the NIL party, they would've called up Walmart and Jerry Jones and within a matter of minutes would be leading. Whether SHU was first to the party or last to the party there would still be the same problem as we don't have the customer base that will deliver the funds to the school. Unfortunately that's part of the job at SHU. It's not like we lost out on customers to a competitor. Even if we were first to the party, we'd still be one of the lowest NILs in the big east. It's nice to get a lot of 4-5 figure donations from people but you're competing with schools with 4-5 people giving mid to high 6 figure donations.

When you are behind in resources the way to stay in the fight is to be smarter, faster and to be innovative. Unfortunately, Seton Hall isn't know for those traits.

Being late to NIL isn't an excuse, but it's just another reason why we are where we are today. Millions of dollars in donations were garnered for the Facility. The Facility was badly needed and also years behind competitors. The fact that our leading donors were tapped for the Practice facility and we did not take NIL serious for the first 2 years leave us where we are.

Yes, we'd still be behind the Big boys and without a Billionaire but we'd be much closer to peers like Providence, Xavier, etc.

 

[Jcordasco1952]

Sha definitely needs to get better at owning his mistakes. But in fairness to him, he won 25 games last year, yet the school didn’t have the resources to retain even one of his two best players.

The majority of blame for this disaster of a season falls directly on Felt, McBride, et al at the athletic department. I get that fundraising at Seton Hall is an uphill battle, but you either get the job done or you don’t. And clearly they have failed to keep us relevant in the NIL world.

The school shouldn’t have to pay to keep these kids. They should want to play for the school and the coach they chose and the scholarship/education they get. If you are good enough to go pro, do it after you graduate or go pro now and get the hell off of a college campus. Period.
This NIL and portal crap will destroy college sports in a very short time. The donors will dry up. These kids will piss away their NIL money. The concept of “Alma Mater” is gone.

 

[Jcordasco1952]

The whole thing is crazy. Amazing people in leadership positions think this is acceptable. I know the Courts make rulings, but nobody seems to be trying to come up with a better solution.

Micah Peavy from Georgetown is on his 3rd school in 5 seasons, 3rd in 3 years. Our own Chaunce Jenkins is on his 3rd in 5 too. Toumi is actually on his 4th including a JUCO year.

It is unsustainable.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

When you are behind in resources the way to stay in the fight is to be smarter, faster and to be innovative. Unfortunately, Seton Hall isn't know for those traits.

Being late to NIL isn't an excuse, but it's just another reason why we are where we are today. Millions of dollars in donations were garnered for the Facility. The Facility was badly needed and also years behind competitors. The fact that our leading donors were tapped for the Practice facility and we did not take NIL serious for the first 2 years leave us where we are.

Yes, we'd still be behind the Big boys and without a Billionaire but we'd be much closer to peers like Providence, Xavier, etc.

The donors get a write off for that practice facility. Most get nothing for NIL. I very highly doubt we would have gone dollar for dollar between facility and NIL if there was no new facility.

 

[shu09]

The Larranaga thread has Miami and Iowa fighting over Shaheen for next year. Wouldn't that be a hoot if he goes 4-16 in the Big East and amid all the drama on this board. I know posters will say he always had his eye on the Hall, but speaking of Larranaga, wonder what would have happened if he remained loyal to St. Peter's for another year (as Larranaga did at George Mason): the sqad at St. Peter's stays, and they win the MAAC again and get to the second or third round to the NCAAs. Bet he could have almost written his own ticket.

Holloway would be a disaster at a bigger school. He would actually have to run an offense, make the tournament, and engage with fans/media. At Seton Hall, he can not do all of that and still get a free pass because he's "one of us."

 

[hallwins]

The donors get a write off for that practice facility. Most get nothing for NIL. I very highly doubt we would have gone dollar for dollar between facility and NIL if there was no new facility.

That changes in about 6 months. Contributions for NIL will go through Pirate Blue.

 

[newshu1]

If we had the resources the previous guy wouldn't have left, Gonzo would've had better teams, etc. Resources magically dried up when a couple of big time donors started rooming with Bubba. Amazing how the timing of those things coincided.

Ya these arguments are so silly, give 90% of America the "resources" they need and they will make 7 figures a year. Winner win, and losers make excuses. Sadly the Victim's mentality is a plague today in this country

 

[mbraue]

When you are behind in resources the way to stay in the fight is to be smarter, faster and to be innovative. Unfortunately, Seton Hall isn't know for those traits.

Being late to NIL isn't an excuse, but it's just another reason why we are where we are today. Millions of dollars in donations were garnered for the Facility. The Facility was badly needed and also years behind competitors. The fact that our leading donors were tapped for the Practice facility and we did not take NIL serious for the first 2 years leave us where we are.

Yes, we'd still be behind the Big boys and without a Billionaire but we'd be much closer to peers like Providence, Xavier, etc.

We are certainly not without billionaires, and one of ours, George Kurtz, CEO of CrowdStrike, has a net worth of about 6.6 billion, or about 3x that of Repole of Vitamin Water fame and Pitino's water boy.

Kurtz just is not the BFF of Sha nor that interested in basketball. He's runs a very serious business and is a race car enthusiast. He will give to the university first, basketball second. Fingers crossed.

 

[SHUSA]

If we had the resources the previous guy wouldn't have left, Gonzo would've had better teams, etc. Resources magically dried up when a couple of big time donors started rooming with Bubba. Amazing how the timing of those things coincided.

what does that even mean?

 

[SHUSA]

It is unsustainable.

its sustainable as a rich person hobby.

 

[SHUSA]

Holloway would be a disaster at a bigger school. He would actually have to run an offense, make the tournament, and engage with fans/media. At Seton Hall, he can not do all of that and still get a free pass because he's "one of us."

sounds like he would have a spot at maryland with that criteria

 

[shupat08]

You don’t see the connection? I think that’s a big part of the problem

What play did he draw up to get Coleman open? Or did he just tell Coleman "don't get denied"?