Mind boggling stuff, just give same NIL amount to 10 scrub guards and see how the chips fall? Did he not learn from last year ?
Sha's Socialism Model
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The problem is that we are in the dark regarding the amount of compensation it takes to attract quality recruits. Based on what I’m reading and seeing, the market price for quality players, especially bigs, are in the vicinity of several hundred thousand dollars to a million dollars per player. We are not in a position to second-guess him unless we know the amount of his NIL budget and the amount of compensation quality recruits are commanding this year.
Certainly Holloway is try to land bigs but they ain’t coming. If SHU doesn’t have $6+ million to spend, this is what we’re going to get.
We do know this though. National media was very vocal this off-season about NIL signings and what the MSRP is for high major players (from role players to stars). So much salary info has leaked this year that coaches have even voiced concerns it could cause locker room issues. Our administration was also very transparent about how much money we need and have to spend this year.
Granted we don't know the salary requests of each specific recruit - but you can get a good idea based on the data provided by credible national media.
I don't believe SHU has $6M to spend.I think they are still waiting for the House settlement to finalize.We are way too conservative and as a result are getting left behind.
He definitely has a style and pattern emerging. And it’s not a good one. Looks like they’re blaming the crop of players last year instead of how they went about it. I hope he’s right.
He runs the show there. We sink or swim with him. There’s no check or balance.
He runs the show there. We sink or swim with him. There’s no check or balance.
Let’s say he’s got the $6 million. Studs are going for $2 M+, so two players are going to take 80% of your budget. And he would have little left to fill out the roster. Why would two studs sign up for that?
And that’s not his coaching style. He’s going to live and die with this plan, but maybe it’s the only path he has right now.
And that’s not his coaching style. He’s going to live and die with this plan, but maybe it’s the only path he has right now.
Agree. No way we've spent near that on who we've brought in
You're not getting an All-American type kid for $1.5M but Goodman (I think it was him) reported that the low end for a HM all-conference player was $1.5M. We could have gotten 2 of these players.
I just pray that the full $6M wasn't at his disposal for some reason, because if it was.........they are beyond wildly incompetent.
I just pray that the full $6M wasn't at his disposal for some reason, because if it was.........they are beyond wildly incompetent.
The administration is wildly incompetent.We have seen innumerable examples of that.
Just got sick while listening/watching Yankees v Guardians and having Slicky promote the St Johns program/recruits for half an inning and not seeing any press staements lauding any of the Hall's signings. Guess that would mean Sha's secret plans would be revealed.
Does anyone truly believe the currently rostered players represent anything close to $6M in total NIL commitments?
If you do, then I have some magic beans to sell you. And then you can give them to Sha because that’s what he is going to need to make this roster competitive.
If you do, then I have some magic beans to sell you. And then you can give them to Sha because that’s what he is going to need to make this roster competitive.
i think we have no dough. and no one in admin wants to admit it. which i understand. better to act like we have money than to advertise we are broke.
Slick threw out the first pitch tonight, apparently, and is a fixture at those games. In addition to some Mets games. The guy is everywhere and a promotional machine. Crazy at this age but this is what the guy does.
I just have to tip my cap dehere23--altho it pains me -- he does have the Johnnies Fans in a lather --in JUNE
What doesn’t make sense on this is that we are clearly above last year by a decent margin, if you assume Clark alone was in the high six figure range. In the aggregate, we are definitely into some amount of what folks said was “rev share” money, and if that’s the case, what’s the point of just not going full throttle with MOUs. If you are in for a penny, and then some, you should be in for a pound, so to speak.
In some ways this reminds me of where MLB teams were several years ago, when they basically pleaded for some type of salary cap ( best they could do were cap penalties) because they knew they couldn’t control themselves to limit spending on their own.
I see the colleges basically looking for the same thing…an external control that limits what the can pay…otherwise they know that the pressure to win, the pressure of the fans, and just plain ego, will have them spending without a conscience.
I think both things are true: We still don’t have enough money and Sha is not going to pay a high price for talent. He is adamant he can do more with less. Very stubborn.
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Agreed. If Sha’s job depends on success on the court, why on earth would he not spend money at his disposal. It’s not his money to keep. There’s no incentive not to spend this money. Our resources are too meager to compete in this era.
Logically, yes. But you see these types scattered throughout the business world too: an unwillingness to pay market price, constantly penny pinching, very much in their own minds, etc. Especially if they have a big ego.
The insiders trashed Sha since March that he had the money but was being cheap. Of course, they were wrong, which was obvious since day one to anyone that pays attention to college basketball outside of Seton hall.
Maybe he’s looking to flip a couple guards for a big at the trade deadline 😂
It’s generally believed this system will collapse within 3years. Only the P4 teams will continue with this madness. I suspect even the Vitamin Water guy will begin to pullback.
Hopefully what comes out the other end will be a world in which the non football schools can still have meaningful athletic programs.
We just don’t have the money to compete on these terms. Nova reportedly spending $10 million next season.
Hopefully what comes out the other end will be a world in which the non football schools can still have meaningful athletic programs.
We just don’t have the money to compete on these terms. Nova reportedly spending $10 million next season.
Maybe we have comparable money for certain players and we are losing the recruiting battle? There are reasons other than money that can be at play here. To just accept that money is the only reason, is giving the program a huge benefit of the doubt.
I doubt he had $6M bc whatever is tangled in the House settlement is an issue as Sha won’t pledge money they may be unable to come up with until that suit is settled.
He has spent a lot more than last year, FWIW. He wants a certain type and style of play though. He’s going to try it again. I hope it works. He’s not going to go too heavy with stars and negotiate with the agents the way you need to land them, regardless of money. It’s simply not him. So, sink or swim.
Smart money would have been to retain I Coleman. So dumb.
T Samuel, Dre Davis…(Kadary would have been too much). But we could have kept the rest if our AD/staff knew what they were doing.
Keep continuity with your better players, it’s the best way to win. Sticker shock on the market rate has led to dumb decisions.
The Sha St. Peter’s way is never going to work here. You need one or two studs and a competent big man, then you build scraps around them…that is the formula.
T Samuel, Dre Davis…(Kadary would have been too much). But we could have kept the rest if our AD/staff knew what they were doing.
Keep continuity with your better players, it’s the best way to win. Sticker shock on the market rate has led to dumb decisions.
The Sha St. Peter’s way is never going to work here. You need one or two studs and a competent big man, then you build scraps around them…that is the formula.
We will see.
My only hope is there are always teams that surprise and even excellent coaches and evaluators “miss” on kids annually in their assessments.
Is it too much to hope maybe a few of these kids outperform what the rest of the college basketball universe thinks, because they take a huge leap or everyone just “missed”? Probably. But at least we always have that going into every season.
My only hope is there are always teams that surprise and even excellent coaches and evaluators “miss” on kids annually in their assessments.
Is it too much to hope maybe a few of these kids outperform what the rest of the college basketball universe thinks, because they take a huge leap or everyone just “missed”? Probably. But at least we always have that going into every season.
How many people on this roster is over 6ft7????
We are not in the MAAC and going to get destroyed
We are not in the MAAC and going to get destroyed
Instead we will continue to stick our heads in the sand while everyone in the media continues to advertise that we have no money, no clue and a wildly incompetent administration. Not quite the direction I or anyone else here would go in but here we are!
That presumes Coleman wanted to stay. I don't know either way, but that is obviously part of the equation along with the money.
There is so much we don’t know that most of what is in these threads is speculation even from our most experienced posters. Just my opinion.
The one thing I remember is months ago Felt clearly indicated without actually stating it that the bulk of our NIL money would come from House revenue sharing. The settlement was supposed to be agreed to in April. We’re still waiting.
The one thing I remember is months ago Felt clearly indicated without actually stating it that the bulk of our NIL money would come from House revenue sharing. The settlement was supposed to be agreed to in April. We’re still waiting.
Agreed, Felt telling donors to move their money into Pirate blue, essentially required the house settlement to pass before those funds could be allocated or the school could contribute any of their own money.
Assuming there was little held behind in the traditional NIL fund? Can someone confirm. I believe we were told Onward Setonia was absorbed into Pirate Blue. Does that mean all funds remaining transferred over too? This is the type of transparency we have been asking for and still haven’t gotten.
I have zero inside information on projected NIL deals.
So I would be curious. If you had to put a price tag per player on the current roster. What do you believe they got from SHU in NIL $$.
Then maybe we can compare that to other players whose value has been leaked and see if they are in the target range based on portal rank / prior year stats / level of competition.
Would be a fun exercise to see what we did potentially spend so far.
This is a key point that I'm not sure a lot of people either grasp or remember. You can only do so much with IOUs.
One of th GOATs for a reason. No matter what the PDS posters say on this board. It's straight jealousy at this point
I'd put Clark and Parker as the highest in the 750k range. Then the next tier down would be the bulk of our roster Payne, Williams, Simpkins, Staton-McCray... all in the 400-500 zone. And then the rest of the players probably 100k each?
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