Snowflakes Spotted on Campus
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Yes, and would be great if they actually knew what they were voting for..
I'm actually going to agree and disagree with you on this, carefully, because yours was the most on-point and powerful post in the thread. Yes, one has nothing to do with the other, and yes, this seems a frivolous complaint, which possibly was tongue-in-cheek, given the source (no pun).
However, society does have a real issue with producing young adults who are unable to cope with any adversity, because every effort is made to shield them from it through the childhood and adolescent years. We're seeing it -- in record numbers -- on college campuses, who are scrambling to provide mental health staff that most hospitals would be envious of. I see it first-hand, every day, and as a new parent, it's frightening as hell, and the buck stops with me and my peers. So to come fully around the circle, if something as cheap and easy as a slobbering dog can give students a couple minutes of joy -- whether they need it or not -- we should probably be applauding it. If you want to criticize anyone, start with parents over the last 20-25 years, and right behind them the school administrators.
And as a NJ taxpayer, how did you enjoy the overwhelming "yes" vote on the public question?
I'd like to bet large sums of money that the Neanderthals making fun of teenagers on this post crap their pants and cry anytime an athlete takes a knee during their special song. Talk about coddled and weak.
Congratulations on being a new parent! Exciting times indeed. I appreciated your nuanced post in a thread filled with nonsense. As a non-parent myself, one of my favorite pastimes is giving free parenting advice to strangers on the internet.
The world is a cruel place and if the only tool in the parenting tool box is the spear you poke in your kid's back to make sure they don't grow up coddled, you are going to fail as a parent. Love your kid and show up on time everyday and you will get you 80% of the way to success. Use the spear when necessary but don't be afraid to coddle your kid once in a while. They need to know you have their back. It's possible to raise a normal child in a world full of whack jobs and I am reasonably confident you will do so.
Most of the other posts here are either internet posturing or a sign of weakness. Ignore it and have fun raising your kid.
Excellent advice. My implement of choice is my grandfather's shillelagh.
I know what you see, so I take that seriously. And it's going to always be most incumbent upon a parent to inculcate his or her children with the kind of mentality and approach to life you want them to adapt. It's no guarantee, but your parents rubbed off on you, just as mine did on me. I'm not just like them at all, but the core values are there, and that's parenting.
Outside the home, there are any number of factors that shape a culture, though. In this case, you have the increased awareness of mental illness and stress factors. Add that to a society that is also increasingly litigious, as well as the competitive nature of college student recruitment that demands institutions provided more student amenities and comforts than ever before, and you will be able to observe instances where these factors all converge. Kids petting therapy dogs is, as you say, a rather harmless and even fun manifestation of that.
Now, to play some devil's advocate: I'll go the other route and say that while it's easy for conservative (or whatever corrupted distortion of conservatism Fox is speaking to now) media to troll the internet for instances of "snowflakes seeking safe spaces" in order to create divisive wedges between older folks and the younger generations, these kids aren't given enough credit for adapting to the actual adversity they face. The professional environment of today practically demands college degrees for everyone (and really multiple degrees), as the opportunities for the non- or under-educated have evaporated. So given that these degrees are essentially required, tuition is a built-in cost of attaining adulthood, and tuition has multiplied exponentially. With parents already over-leveraged and over-mortgaged to never-before seen heights, it is all but assumed that these degrees will be paid for with expensive loans, which, of course, become an albatross for these young people after they graduate. These delay the departure from home, the purchase of their own homes, and all sorts of things trickle down from there. And I'm not even going down the road of how much harder it has become to earn admission to the types of schools that will provide any sort of value to their graduates - that's a whole other subject, but the things students must do in order to gain an edge over their follow applicants has them doing things and participating in incredibly time-consuming co- and extra-curricular activities that were completely unnecessary even a generation ago.
So the much-heavier burden these kids carry just to gain access to a viable workforce are more time-consuming, expensive, and stressful than ever before, and that still all carries less promise to get ahead than it historically has, given that the burden of financing the government has been increasingly heaped on the shoulders of the middle class at levels that would have been unconscionable fifty or sixty years ago. And yet these kids forge ahead, taking careful note of the unfair criticism they bear as "snowlflakes," "millennials" (frequently misapplied to people of a generation younger than actual millennials, the first of whom are nearly 40 years old now), or worse.
I know where you're coming from, donnie, and you know we're more on the same page than often appears, once we can inject a little nuance into the conversation. So I'm really speaking more generally here, sticking up for a generation that I do think is unfairly maligned, and for no good purpose. In a different context, I enjoy an intergenerational laugh about them, too, but when it comes to actual brass tacks, I think they've gotten the shit end of the stick.
Very well said, Source. And in my experience, when I sit with these kids one-on-one, I don't see a that much difference from 17-21 yo kids fifteen years ago, when I began this career(!). I could even possibly see myself, if I could remember back that far! I certainly was an idiot in those years, and well beyond -- and I'm grateful for the lack of social media then, and the fact that it was a simpler world, relatively, for us Gen X'ers.
Oh, man, is this ever true! I cannot underscore enough how different life might have turned out had it been in existence back then!
We were actually having this conversation among friends the other day and my view was that I wouldn’t trade the generational time that we grew up. We certainly had it easier than our parents who had to face world war conflicts. And the millennial’s are now faced with technology of the changes so rapidly that it can be difficult for the human mind to keep up. And it’s only going to get worse as the ramifications of technology will not give us the benefit of thought and preparation.
As you have said, I lay most of the blame for any bad behavior we see you today at the feet of irresponsible parents. Nine times out of ten snowflake behavior starts at home. Look at the shit show we saw with the three stooges in the oval office yesterday. What is that teaching our children?
Dealing with adversity is part of growing up and navigating life. Spend two days walking the battlefields at Gettysburg and I guarantee you will never say “my life is tough.” History does teach us perspective.
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Um no it's called respect for the country and those that protect it to provide the snowflakes the right to have their temper tantrums.
Found the snowflake who gets his feelings hurt from a kneel. Need a therapy dog? Don't cry now, the kneel won't hurt you if you don't think about it.
A. You have no idea how young voters voted on that measure.
B. More people skipped the measure entirely than the number of young voters in NJ.
C. Do you have any evidence to suggest that young voters are more ignorant on the issues than other groups of voters?
Yes, and every generation will go through that in their own ways.
In all honestly, if someone told you at a particularly stressful time in your years as a young adult that (x) has been scientifically proven to lower cortisol levels, reducing the risk stress related illnesses... would you have been open to it or would you have just said that you need to man up because you aren’t fighting a war?
It's not that black and white as you try to make it. If someone wants to pet a dog to feel less stressed, have at it. And sometimes overcoming stress brings out the best and provides a higher level of personal satisfaction. You call it "manning up"...I call it "rising to a challenge".
Let's face it, social media and the internet make it easier to find some of these extreme and dumb stories to get a rise out of people. I guarantee the radio station in Cleveland that banned "Baby it's cold outside" did so to improve ratings and don't give a rats ass about the content of the lyrics. But look at how this became a "story".
The black and white part for me is that if kids are depressed / anxious and want any form of help... don’t make fun of them for it.
Mental illness is already tragically stigmatized where people are afraid to admit when something feels wrong.
None of us know the kids who went to pet a dog. We don’t know their personal circumstances. If they did so and it helped relieve some stress during a difficult time in their lives... great.
Not sure why anyone would feel the need to make fun of them for wanting some help (in whatever form it’s in)... especially from a program offered at a religious institution.
And I don't disagree with that which I clearly stated in my last post. If someone legitimately has a mental health issue, they should seek help and get it. The point I was making earlier in the thread was that there is also abuse regarding the use of therapy dogs (and my neighbor's daughter was an example). An excuse to bring a dog their dog on a plane. Let's just not assume everyone has a legitimate need especially when it's difficult to police it.
I’ll just err on the side of not making fun of people I don’t know who would utilize such a service like the original poster (and several others) in this thread... and won’t feel te need to question the doctors who are signing off for people who would need a companion dog on an airplane.
How do you know they went to a doctor? You can get a therapy dog blanket for your dog without a doctors excuse. I think you shouldn't be naïve to the fact that people abuse the system and they are the real dirtballs.
Earlier this year my family was taking a vacation and we were at the gate and my daughter got paged by the gate agent. She was sitting in an aisle seat in front of us and the agent asked if she would change her seat because a family had a child with a peanut allergy. My daughter politely declined....as it turned out, it was all BS...family had split seats and just wanted to sit together. What do you think should have happened to them?
The problem is that people like you have no respect. You've never experienced struggle or failure because you've been pampered all your lives. Kneeling won't hurt me but it is an insult to those who have lost their lives to protect your right to disrespect them. If you ask 100 people that are kneeling or support kneeling why they are kneeling, you'll get 100 different reasons meaning they have no idea why. It's just plain sad that we live in the greatest country on the planet yet we have those that take it for granted and disrespect it. If it's so terrible and oppressive to minorities (one of the alleged reasons for kneeling) why do 100's of thousands of minorities flock here each year?
My understanding is that you need a doctor to sign off to bring a therapy dog on a plane.
And sure, some people will abuse anything. I just don’t waste my time thinking about who is legit and who isn’t. Waste of mental energy from my view.
Wouldn’t want to take away important mental energy away from concocting your conspiracy theories
Wouldn’t want to take away important mental energy away from concocting your conspiracy theories
The stuff about Individual-1?
Pretty much more of a conspiracy theory to believe he’s walking away from this unscathed at this point.
There is no law against entering into an NDA. More hoaxes to distract from the agenda.
No one has suggested that an NDA is illegal.
There are however federal election laws which Michael Cohen violated at the direction of Trump.
I said the day Pecker was granted immunity that it would be a problem for Trump and AMI said today that they made payments to Mcdougal to influence the election and coordinated with Cohen and another member of te Trump campaign.
This is not about distractions. Some of Trumps closest advisors during his campaign are now convicted felons.
The truth is that what Cohen did wasn't illegal. He pleaded guilty to something that wasn't illegal in order for the special counsel to go easy on him for tax evasion. It's all a game. Since there was no collusion they are trying to create anything possible to try to have grounds to impeach.
Not one of his advisors has been convicted for anything having to do with what the SC was initiated for, Russian collusion. But let's just ignore the facts shall we..
That’s now how the law works.
A judge can not accept a guilty plea for something that is not a crime.
Give it time. It’s not close to over yet.
Not exactly true. No you can't plead guilty to a law that doesn't exist, but you can give a false statement and admit to a crime you didn't commit. That's what happened. Fact is, the only person who colluded with Russians was Clinton. And you're right it's not close to over...Get your pop corn out because it was just announced that the Clinton foundation has been identified in a sealed indictment along with Unanium One in a pay to play scheme. The dems opened a pandora's box they'll wish they hadn't.
Not exactly true. No you can't plead guilty to a law that doesn't exist, but you can give a false statement and admit to a crime you didn't commit. That's what happened. Fact is, the only person who colluded with Russians was Clinton. Get your pop corn out because it was just announced that the Clinton foundation has been identified in a sealed indictment asking with Unanium One.
Funny how you go from tough guy making fun of kids petting dogs to an incoherent child crying about kneeling.
To all you old men yelling at clouds at the stupid and weak younger generation at least they didn't put us 20+ trillion dollars in debt.
Dude no one made fun of kids. But you prove my point that snowflakes like you have no way to support your arguement or ability to debate anything other than to shout louder or try to insult.
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