Some Night

[Piratz]

A lot of this was Hillary. Even with her she still took popular vote and the states Trump spin were so narrowly tight.

If Trump doesn't deliver before the 2018 elections, it's back up for grabs quickly, I think. Patience is out. "Change" is the flavor now regardless of traditional allegiances. I'd be surprised if he did, but hope he does for good of the nation.

 

[donnie_baseball]

You see {nimrod}, we may be both Democrats but on different wings of the party. I come from a union blue collar background which was one of the major forces in the Democratic Party. Did anyone hear of organized labor in this election? It was stunningly quiet. Many labor people that I know shockingly went for Trump. The last time I heard that labor went for a republican was Reagan. I think you are right that Sanders would have beaten Trump. Trump couldn't have labeled him crooked or a liar. Just crazy.

I do think that some of the ideas of Sanders and Warren should be followed with regards to banking and Wall St. But you can't go too far left. The Party will lose so many voters. What people here may not realize is that I bet police officers went in huge numbers for Trump. Why? The Black Lives Movement. When Hillary invited Michael Brown's mother to the convention, it rubbed a lot of police officers the wrong way. That was a major mistake. Bill Clinton again summed that organization up correctly but the campaign freaked out over what he said. Here is the difference between Hillary and Bill. Bill honestly assesses an issue, whether it be Obamacare or BLM. Hillary was afraid to offend and her lack of being honest there dove tailed into Trump's portrayal that she was a lair and crooked. She ran scared of losing instead of trying to win.

A pretty good assessment, and I totally agree with you on Booker -- amazing!

I would submit that the Democratic party no longer is the party of the working man, more than just the "Hillary effect." They have become the party that relies on coastal elites, Hollywood, and Wall St. for fundraising, and the poor inner-city dwellers for votes, many of whom are the welfare class, and not the working class poor.

 

[cernjSHU]

A pretty good assessment, and I totally agree with you on Booker -- amazing!

I would submit that the Democratic party no longer is the party of the working man, more than just the "Hillary effect." They have become the party that relies on coastal elites, Hollywood, and Wall St. for fundraising, and the poor inner-city dwellers for votes, many of whom are the welfare class, and not the working class poor.

It may seem that the Dems appeal have gotten a little elitist and poor city dwellers. However, I do think that will change in 4 years. Deep down I know that Trump and this team of his that he will assemble will only help the wealthy. He won't be able to keep his promises. The pendulum will swing the other way. And hopefully there will be a candidate that will really want to do something for this country. I have little faith that Trump will do any of the things he says except maybe repealing Obamacare but not replacing it with something better.

 

[Piratz]

Bernie stuck that chord. His campaign was more than socialistic programs, it was pointing out the dysfunction in government and how it's left the common man dangling.

And how fitting that he was ultimately undone by the exact corruption he was railing against after WikiLeaks revealed the DNC's internal agenda.

 

[Section112]

Bernie stuck that chord. His campaign was more than socialistic programs, it was pointing out the dysfunction in government and how it's left the common man dangling.

And how fitting that he was ultimately undone by the exact corruption he was railing against after WikiLeaks revealed the DNC's internal agenda.

True! Bernie is probably the biggest loser in this whole campaign and may have won it all given a fair chance who knows? I don't agree with his solutions but what he was pining against was true. Both parties are getting what they deserved. Dems were complicit in going along with crooked Hillary and Repubs could not handle Trump and now got him in spades and don't know what he is gonna do. Washington establishment continues to fight for their turf and most likely won't learn from their mistakes.

 

[HALL85]

True! Bernie is probably the biggest loser in this whole campaign and may have won it all given a fair chance who knows? I don't agree with his solutions but what he was pining against was true. Both parties are getting what they deserved. Dems were complicit in going along with crooked Hillary and Repubs could not handle Trump and now got him in spades and don't know what he is gonna do. Washington establishment continues to fight for their turf and most likely won't learn from their mistakes.

Bernie was interviewed on Face the Nation this past weekend and in some respects was echoing Trumps platform for jobs and the working man. He essentially said if Trump improved that situation, he would support him.

 

[Piratz]

Bernie was interviewed on Face the Nation this past weekend and in some respects was echoing Trumps platform for jobs and the working man. He essentially said if Trump improved that situation, he would support him.

Because I believe Bernie is one of those rare breeds that is actually interested in being productive and helping.

 

[SnakeTom]

Because I believe Bernie is one of those rare breeds that is actually interested in being productive and helping.

That's because Bernie was not running with the expectation that he would actually get elected, but rather to influence policy. The odd thing is that if they were playing with a unmarked deck he just might have been elected.

Tom K

 

[Piratz]

That's because Bernie was not running with the expectation that he would actually get elected, but rather to influence policy. The odd thing is that if they were playing with a unmarked deck he just might have been elected.

Tom K

I agree. He has been speaking about these things for 20 years and finally people started understanding and were primed to support a non-conventional candidate. He is right when he said he was considered "fringe" early on, but once he got moving I think he realized he could realistically be elected President.

And if the DNC had properly supported him, likely he would've.

What his campaign did in terms of turnout and financing is really something for the PoliSci books.

Much of what Bernie and Trump said were similar concepts, just with messages delivered and plan of execution coming in polar opposite ways to say the least, lol. It was obvious early this year it was a "change and outsider" election cycle, yet the DNC and Hillary tried to force it back into conventional politics.

 

[HALL85]

I really hope at some point Trump tackles term limits and campaign financing.

 

[Bobbie Solo]

This would be incredible. Very well done piece, broken down easily & plainly.

 

[cernjSHU]

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This would be incredible. Very well done piece, broken down easily & plainly.

And it would never happen. Moreover, the electoral college is here to stay. Even though it gives small rural states too much power, the Democrats have a built in advantage in the electoral college. Sure this happened twice in the past 16 years. But, Al Gore lost his home state of Tennessee or he would have been President. Hillary lost the consistently Democratic states of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin or else she would have been President.

 

[Bobbie Solo]

No need for snark. I don't think it will happen, it's still an interesting piece worth watching.

 

[cernjSHU]

No need for snark. I don't think it will happen, it's still an interesting piece worth watching.

No snark. But the member of the electoral college who wants to ignore the will of the people in order to get a more suitable candidate in there like Kasich is not only unrealistic but is really looking for a peaceful coup de tat which I am completely against. As much as I dislike a Trump Presidency, I will fight to ensure the Democratic process that elected him.

 

[Bobbie Solo]

even though they won't sway the electors, it IS part of the electoral process if you take the report at face value. It's completely legal.