Spike Protein study

[HALL85]

https://news.yale.edu/2025/02/19/im...-syndrome-indicate-future-research-directions

This bears watching as spike proteins are showing elevated levels two years after mRNA vaccinations. recall that one of the benefits of mRNA was that vaccine would leave the system quickly. This is why drug discovery and clinical studies normally take several years to conclude the drug is safe and effective. Fast tracking the vaccine was the right thing to do but post launch studies are being done for a reason.

 

[shu09]

One of the most heinous things ever done was forcing this garbage on people. Never forget who did it.

Love that the crowd booed the goon head of Pfizer, Bourla, at Trump's black history month event with Tiger Woods.

 

[cernjSHU]

Not for anything but how many people were vaccinated and compare it to the "A small number of people report chronic symptoms after receiving COVID-19 shots."

 

[Merge]

Not for anything but how many people were vaccinated and compare it to the "A small number of people report chronic symptoms after receiving COVID-19 shots."

Yeah, it seems to be a study looking at why rare events are occurring which is certainly worthwhile, but not really analyzing the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine.

 

[HALL85]

Yeah, it seems to be a study looking at why rare events are occurring which is certainly worthwhile, but not really analyzing the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine.

I think the takeaway is how long the spike proteins are staying in the systems of some people and like I said requires watching as this was a concern when the mRNA was developed for the delivery of vaccines. Let’s hope the numbers continue to be low and those with PVS can be successfully treated.

 

[Merge]

I think the takeaway is how long the spike proteins are staying in the systems of some people and like I said requires watching as this was a concern when the mRNA was developed for the delivery of vaccines. Let’s hope the numbers continue to be low and those with PVS can be successfully treated.

Indeed, worth watching of course.

It is possible though that the participants in the PVS group could have had an infection years ago and not known it, which the authors of the study acknowledge. It's also possible that there are just some people susceptible to a negative impact from the spike protein be it from the vaccine or from an infection. Also, the study makes no distinction between mRNA and the adenovirus vaccines both were included in the study group since the spike protein is applicable to both but delivered differently.

Not trying to downplay the study. It is important to understand why some people have lasting negative reactions even if it is very rare.

 

[knowknow456]

Indeed, worth watching of course.

It is possible though that the participants in the PVS group could have had an infection years ago and not known it, which the authors of the study acknowledge. It's also possible that there are just some people susceptible to a negative impact from the spike protein be it from the vaccine or from an infection. Also, the study makes no distinction between mRNA and the adenovirus vaccines both were included in the study group since the spike protein is applicable to both but delivered differently.

Not trying to downplay the study. It is important to understand why some people have lasting negative reactions even if it is very rare.

Is there something wrong with you? He spent 40 years in pharma; he knows exactly what is going on with this new study. He's trolling and you fell for it....again.

 

[HALL85]

Indeed, worth watching of course.

Which is exactly what I said.

 

[Merge]

Which is exactly what I said.

Not the part I was questioning. You brought up mRNA delivery twice as if that’s what they were looking at as the cause.
They weren't though. They were looking at the spike protein which would exist in people for a period of time who were vaccinated with mRNA vaccines, adenovirus vaccines, or who were infected by the virus itself.

The control group also had even more doses of the vaccine than the testing group.

 

[Merge]

Is there something wrong with you?

Yes, I assume people will discuss things in good faith here, even though it has been proven many times that will not be the case.

 

[HALL85]

Not the part I was questioning. You brought up mRNA delivery twice as if that’s what they were looking at as the cause.
They weren't though. They were looking at the spike protein which would exist in people for a period of time who were vaccinated with mRNA vaccines, adenovirus vaccines, or who were infected by the virus itself.

The control group also had even more doses of the vaccine than the testing group.

I brought up mRNA because there were concerns brought up by scientists in its development regarding long-term effects and not knowing how long spike proteins may manifest themselves.

 

[Merge]

I brought up mRNA because there were concerns brought up by scientists in its development regarding long-term effects and not knowing how long spike proteins may manifest themselves.

Adding in the stuff about "this was a concern when the mRNA was developed for the delivery of vaccines" - Was just not relevant to the results of the study.

The authors suggested that it could be immune differences that could cause, in rare cases, to have a lasting negative effect from any vaccine, not just mRNA.

 

[HALL85]

Adding in the stuff about "this was a concern when the mRNA was developed for the delivery of vaccines" - Was just not relevant to the results of the study.

The authors suggested that it could be immune differences that could cause, in rare cases, to have a lasting negative effect from any vaccine, not just mRNA.

You keep nit picking. Two things can be true. The results are not conclusive and spike proteins are elevated for over two years in a subset. This was a concern scientists raised in its development.

Hence, it’s important to keep an eye on this.

 

[Merge]

The results are not conclusive and spike proteins are elevated for over two years in a subset.

Spike proteins are raised in some people with long Covid, they are raised in some people who were vaccinated by mRNA, and they are raised in some people vaccinated by other than mRNA.

I felt like that was an important distinction in this thread since you only mentioned mRNA.

If you feel that you represented what this study was saying fairly, that's fine. Agree to disagree there.

 

[HALL85]

Spike proteins are raised in some people with long Covid, they are raised in some people who were vaccinated by mRNA, and they are raised in some people vaccinated by other than mRNA.

I felt like that was an important distinction in this thread since you only mentioned mRNA.

If you feel that you represented what this study was saying fairly, that's fine. Agree to disagree there.

I was merely raising the study and the PVS phenomenon. And then adding the concerns that were stated when the mRNA delivery system was developed for COVID vaccine. There might be a connection that requires further studies. It’s pretty simple to understand that.

I’m not asking you to agree BTW.

 

[donnie_baseball]

The problem with the spike proteins coded for by the mRNA vaccine are proposed to be bad actors, perhaps moreso than the ones resulting from infection with native virus.

 

[Merge]

The problem with the spike proteins coded for by the mRNA vaccine are proposed to be bad actors, perhaps moreso than the ones resulting from infection with native virus.

I'm not closed to the possibility. I just haven’t seen a study out there which suggests that. (Not saying it doesn’t exist, just that I haven't seen it)

I have seen studies which suggest that the vaccine does reduce the risk for long Covid, and those with long Covid had lingering spike proteins. So this study kind of coincides with those where in rare cases, people’s immune systems are just not good at getting rid of the spike proteins causing longer term complications for some of them which happened with all vaccines and infection.