Who on St Johns thought it would be a good idea to get into a 3 point shooting contest with Nova??? HELLO--St Johns is worse than we are at shooting the 3 & they took 37 attempts! We 're at 29% from deep & Pitino's crew is at a whopping 23%. Nova leads the BE at 39.4%. Am I missing something here???
St Johns/Nova
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St. John’s has a gaudy record but their 3-point shooting (29%) and free throw shooting (68%) is major chink in the armor. In a single elimination tournament that could screw you.
Also, I don’t know why more teams don’t zone them to death. That’s what Cooley did and he had tremendous success. In my opinion he showed everyone the model how to beat them but everyone ignored.
Also, I don’t know why more teams don’t zone them to death. That’s what Cooley did and he had tremendous success. In my opinion he showed everyone the model how to beat them but everyone ignored.
Yeah this guy Pitino is no match for Kyle Neptune. He should retire 😉
Cooley lost twice to St. John’s and by 25 points at home. Was down 31 in first half of last game.
What is your definition of “tremendous success”?
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I actually think St Johns is overrated and so is the BE. No NCAA title this year and NO final 4 or 8 for any of the teams.
Another horrible miss was someone on St. John's (forget who) stepping on the baseline under the basket with about 6 minutes left in the game and no one caught it. They wound up scoring on the possession. It all comes out in the wash. Take the L.
You are acting like we are the Big Ten lol.
But I tend to agree. The SEC teams are loaded but maybe SJU can stop them. I dont doubt Uconn with a full roster. CU and MQ, who knows.
Unless they go on a major run, I don't think X or Nova deserve a bid. The field is quite deep this year. I changed channels a lot last night & caught parts of some very entertaining games. Az State went to 2OT with TxTech, atmosphere was insane. On the other extreme. ND at BC also went to 2OT. Crowd at Conte looked like a HS Freshman game. They are drawing even less than we are. What a shame.
Hear you.
Nova has beaten Uconn and SJU at home, so both of those W's will hold up. Shame they couldn't get the W v. Creighton. As I recall posted here, it was a miracle bank in 3 by Ashworth that won the game for Creighton. If Nova wins that one too, maybe the resume looks a bit different with the Cincy OOC (though they do have some bad losses). They will have Marquette at home and Uconn on the road. If they split those and win out the rest, they will get to 20 Wins and 13 in the league. I don't know where the metrics will put them in that scenario, but maybe in a similar bucket to us/SJU/Prov last year.
Nova has beaten Uconn and SJU at home, so both of those W's will hold up. Shame they couldn't get the W v. Creighton. As I recall posted here, it was a miracle bank in 3 by Ashworth that won the game for Creighton. If Nova wins that one too, maybe the resume looks a bit different with the Cincy OOC (though they do have some bad losses). They will have Marquette at home and Uconn on the road. If they split those and win out the rest, they will get to 20 Wins and 13 in the league. I don't know where the metrics will put them in that scenario, but maybe in a similar bucket to us/SJU/Prov last year.
My guess is that teams have zoned them. But as you know a major pitfall with the zone is how it can hurt you on the glass and they are a very good offensive rebounding team. So I'd bet when teams did it in the past that was probably an issue for the opposition.
If a team packs it in at this level, you almost have to take 3s if they are wide open.
Judging from the box score, last night was more of a half court game, which is what Nova wants (or really anyone wants) against SJU. Nova only had 11 TOs which is good for a team against SJU.
No Smith for SJU probably hurt their ability to get in transition too. Because he is an absolute blur in the open court and ignites that out of the half court.
Ball should have been Kadary's hands in last nine seconds to drive, pull-up, dish, or get fouled. Seems that the Hall of Fame couch thought other wise; maybe Neptune didn't allow it to happen. Bottom line: end-of-the-game---nod to Neptune: period.
1st game.
Tremendous success in the sense that a vastly inferior team was leading on the road for 80% of the game. Held St. Johns to 35% shooting, etc. The defensive game plan was clearly zone them - and it was extremely successful.
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If Dixon didnt pull that three out of his ass they dont win. I have a terrific 6'9 player in a close game and he stays outside the three point line. I dont applaud that.
I agree about Kadary. One thing we have learned, hKR taking time off mid game was not cause of Sha. He even does it with Jesus, I mean Pitino.
I think Pitino was concerned Kadary gets fouled. His FT shooting has plummeted and he missed a big one right before. As did Dixon.
That because Boston College and Seton Hall are by far the two lowest ranked power 5 teams in Kenpom.
| 208 | Boston College | ACC | 10-14 | -3.14 | ||||||||||||||||
| 209 | Hofstra | CAA | 12-13 | -3.37 | ||||||||||||||||
| 210 | Queens | ASun | 15-10 | -3.51 | ||||||||||||||||
| 211 | UT Arlington | WAC | 11-13 | -3.51 | ||||||||||||||||
| 212 | Indiana St. | MVC | 12-14 | -3.56 | ||||||||||||||||
| 213 | Northeastern | CAA | 13-12 | -3.56 | ||||||||||||||||
| 214 | Seton Hall | BE | 6-18 | -3.65 |
he went from 80 last yr to 50% hard to figure but i think it is the same thing that screws with his 3 pt shot
I don't see St. John's getting through the first week of the NCAA tournament. Do see the other BE big three moving on, however.
the shooting is a killer. and quite ironic given how RP used 3 pt shooting back in the 80s - the Donovan/PC team - to make the FF.
but they play tough and fundamental d. have 2 good lead guards with different games, a great forward and a good center. i thought wilcher was supposed to be a shooter. he and scott have to make some 3s.
i'll be rooting for them.
Not me. For the first time ever I will be rooting against SJU in the Tourney. Repole will be doing everything possible to steal any quality player we bring to South Orange. I will never root for that team as long as Repole is involved.
I thought that is how I would see things, but when the games started, my mind got overruled. Repole is gonna do what he is gonna do. But the success of the BE as a conference is still a primary need.
Not at our expense. This jerk will try and bleed the Pirates dry.
He's an egomaniac and constantly talks about his personal role is restocking their roster.
How many times did we read articles and quotes from him about his role is getting Richmond from the Hall?
There's 10 other Big East teams to root for as far as I am concerned. SJU is not one of them.
Do you really want him sniffing our roster and trying to take away any quality players we develop?
He's an egomaniac and constantly talks about his personal role is restocking their roster.
How many times did we read articles and quotes from him about his role is getting Richmond from the Hall?
There's 10 other Big East teams to root for as far as I am concerned. SJU is not one of them.
Do you really want him sniffing our roster and trying to take away any quality players we develop?
Smith being out now for an extended period is an issue for them IMO.
They were picked 5th preseason based on the talent on paper, and that was with an expected healthy Smith. I bet they would have been picked lower than 5th if he wasn’t part of the equation.
That said, they have Pitino. So there’s that.
He is gonna do what he can do to anyone who has a player RP wants. If we cant play the game as it is now being played, we are dead. While I agree the guys seems like an ahole, he is playing the game as the idiots in charge have set it up. Our problem isnt Repole, it is that we dont have an ahole on our side.
There was at least one quote from a horse racing or Barstool event over the summer, which is the one that it seems got repeated everywhere.
I don’t think though they are doing anything different than anyone else though. It just feels more personal to you because it’s them.
KR had no shortage of teams pursuing him in the portal. If you try and split hairs on the “morality” piece I guess I don’t see what folks are supposed to do in this nonsense era.
I don’t think Repole has an issue with Seton Hall other than he wants SJ to be the king of NYC area. We need to understand that and compete.
If he stood quiet and just monetarily helped the school, that's one thing. But to continuously brag in the papers how he was going to take Richmond from SHU and knowing what he did to accomplish it, info I got directly from three separate SJU reporters, I have no love for the guy.
More surprising he didn’t go to Duke with the roster they have IMO. But he is a NY kid, so there’s definitely that.
Pitino and Matt A looking much higher than Coleman’s level.
The GM is very close to the Jackson family.
He is a great guy, who is from Queens and loves St. John’s. Nothing wrong with him supporting his school. He also gave 50 million to Sloan Kettering for cancer care in honor of his grandmother.
Don’t hate the person playing by the rules. Hate the spine less leaders at the NCAA headquarters who created this system
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Don’t believe the Pitino talk about him staying at SH if money was equal. It is just Pitino trying to deflect some heat off one of Willard’s boys.
Richmond wanted to go to SJU out of high school but didn’t want to play for Anderson and then went to Boeheim another HOF coach.
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