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Tax Reform

Pirata

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Dec 21, 2009
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With Trump moving on to tax reform I have been engaged in some interesting discussions.

One of the discussions took us back to Hamilton and Federalist #21. (Unfortunately this was not one of the songs in the musical and so the average American won't have a clue. :cool:

"The amount ....by each citizen will in a degree be at his own option, and can be regulated by an attention to his resources ....It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption that they contain in their own nature a security against excess. They prescribe their own limit, which cannot be exceeded without defeating the end proposed - that is, an extension of the revenue .... If duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the collection is eluded; and the product to the treasury is not so great as when they are confined within proper and moderate bounds . This forms a complete barrier against material oppression of the citizens by taxes of this class, and is itself a natural limitation of the power of imposing them."


- Federalist Paper #21, Alexander Hamilton​

In the above he is setting the foundation for one of the two original taxes permitted in the Constitution; Excise and Direct taxation of the states based on population (Head Tax).

It was not until the 16th Amendment that we had an income tax. Lincoln tried to get one but it was declared unconstitutional. Woodrow Wilson managed to get it passed.

The16th Amendment is one sentence.

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from what ever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

I believe at its core, the issue of taxes is really an issue about limited vs expanded government. The founders provided many warnings about taxation and government expansion.

One way or another I hope Trump and Congress make progress on taxes.





 
Pirata.

Love the historical background work you provided. Thanks for that.

We need tax reform in the worst way. Citizens should get to keep most of their hard-earned money to which the government should only get little.

Unleash capitalism.
 
As with so many of our current discussions in politics the current governing members point back to the era of our fore fathers but only when it is convenient for them to do so. I wish we had an ability to limit our participation in wars by requiring the vote and funding of the American citizenry before the engagement occurs. Today we have given away all checks and balances and we have now been engaged if foreign conflicts for my entire 67 year lifespan. Clearly that solution isn't working or we are going about it all wrong.
 
I wish we had an ability to limit our participation in wars by requiring the vote and funding of the American citizenry before the engagement occurs. Today we have given away all checks and balances and we have now been engaged if foreign conflicts for my entire 67 year lifespan. Clearly that solution isn't working or we are going about it all wrong.


…but sound principles will not justify our taxing the industry of our fellow citizens to accumulate treasure for wars to happen we know not when, and which might not, perhaps, happen but from the temptations offered by that treasure.

- Thomas Jefferson
 
…but sound principles will not justify our taxing the industry of our fellow citizens to accumulate treasure for wars to happen we know not when, and which might not, perhaps, happen but from the temptations offered by that treasure.

- Thomas Jefferson
Sounds like Jefferson predicted the issue of the military industrial complex in which Eisenhower warns us in his farewell speech.
 
US Military is roughly 54% of discretionary spending and 16% of the overall $3.9 Trillion budget.



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…but sound principles will not justify our taxing the industry of our fellow citizens to accumulate treasure for wars to happen we know not when, and which might not, perhaps, happen but from the temptations offered by that treasure.

- Thomas Jefferson
JFK in addressing the Harvard PBKappa graduates at the White House started his dinner speech by saying that it was the largest gathering of intellect at the White House since Jefferson dined aloe...One of my favorite quips
 
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