Giants bringing Tommy DeVito out of retirement from the Four Seasons. You know they’re desperate. $$ at The Book though.
The Giants - New Low. Approaching Howard Beale Status
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Pretty bad optics today. The seat is getting hotter for the coach and GM.
Oof.
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Malik Nabers explodes on ‘soft as f–k’ Giants, furious about not getting the ball
The Giants rookie was quiet on the field but ready to explode in the locker room.
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There are no studs on the defense and Burns was not good today. And the last 2 weeks the starting OTs were out injured that they went against. The defense has been destroyed by opponents almost all year.
Not stopping the run by the DL at any level. There is nothing at a winning level never mind playoff for 2 years now with this organization.
It is organization failure. Poor roster construction, the injured kicker fiasco, poor salary cap management. Hell they just asked McCloud to take a pay cut because they wanted cap money. No depth at DT, over drafting Banks, Robinson etc. and giving up picks to get them. Throw in some draft busts too. Yeah the GM is doing a great job.
Okay yeah a lot of that’s true. But my point is what team and GM doesn’t have the same issues? Hiring a new GM is gonna just make perfect moves for the next 10 years? It doesn’t work that way. You wanna turn the Giants into the Jets organization of new coaches, GM’s and QB’s every 3 years be my guest.
There is no magical way to do this. Some are worse than others but sometimes it takes time to get it right.
I think Daboll is in trouble, but Schoen safe either way.
Schoen
1. I understood why they didn’t re-sign Barkley and McKinney. This was the known risk on optics with them going to good teams.
2. The players they brought in this offseason have been improvements: The OL, Burns, and the 2024 Draft. They’re young, have no depth, but that was the case in the summer too.
3. Jones’ QB play held the team back dramatically. This roster wasn’t great, but it’s good enough to be mediocre and should not have been 2-8 before the bye. I wouldn’t take bows at 5-5, but still, that’s relevant, competitive, and in the playoff hunt.
Daboll
1. Team plays an extremely sloppy brand of football, has all year. They make a TON of mistakes and make strange decisions.
2. They’ve lost 6 consecutive games, never leading in a game. NFL teams break when these things happen, this sustained ineptitude.
3. Replacing the QB had a much bigger impact on the locker room than I ever would’ve thought. It looks like a tank may be the problem? But Daboll is supposed to have the pulse of that and ability to communicate.
4. Now you take what’s happening on the heels of replacing all the coordinators, the drama with Wink, and it looks terrible for him.
Schoen
1. I understood why they didn’t re-sign Barkley and McKinney. This was the known risk on optics with them going to good teams.
2. The players they brought in this offseason have been improvements: The OL, Burns, and the 2024 Draft. They’re young, have no depth, but that was the case in the summer too.
3. Jones’ QB play held the team back dramatically. This roster wasn’t great, but it’s good enough to be mediocre and should not have been 2-8 before the bye. I wouldn’t take bows at 5-5, but still, that’s relevant, competitive, and in the playoff hunt.
Daboll
1. Team plays an extremely sloppy brand of football, has all year. They make a TON of mistakes and make strange decisions.
2. They’ve lost 6 consecutive games, never leading in a game. NFL teams break when these things happen, this sustained ineptitude.
3. Replacing the QB had a much bigger impact on the locker room than I ever would’ve thought. It looks like a tank may be the problem? But Daboll is supposed to have the pulse of that and ability to communicate.
4. Now you take what’s happening on the heels of replacing all the coordinators, the drama with Wink, and it looks terrible for him.
While there is no argument that you need a high caliber QB to win in the NFL you must surround him with the assets to succeed like a good O-Line , a complimentary running game and big play wide receivers. Drafting a QB next year will require a much upgraded O - Line to see improvement in the Giants offensive results.
I don't think there is any doubt Daboll has lost the team. His game plan yesterday was bad. I knew Todd Bowles was going to pressure him - who didn't? Instead of designing the offense to get the ball quickly out of Cutlets hand, they run and call dropback pass plays? They adjusted in the second half but the game was over. Then when they are driving, running the ball well and its first and goal from the 5 early in the 3rd quarter, Daboll calls another trick play and they lose yards?? What the heck? Did he not learn from the last time he called a trick play. They were running the ball well. Keep playing physical and run it down their throats and get some momentum. He's pressing with his play calls and losing the offense and Nabers for sure.
I believe Schoen has committed malpractice with the Giants many times. He inherited a difficult cap situation but he's not liked in the locker room at all. I saw a TV host (former football player) say over the weekend that free agents are not coming to the Giants with the way they have handled their free agents. Telling. I don't like too much change but Schoen IMO has done a hair better than Gettleman. That is a low bar. The Giants beat writers are starting to sense it too and are circling. The Athletic had a fan survey today and NJ.COM and NY Post articles are questioning Schoen and Daboll on everything. The drum is beating.
I believe Schoen has committed malpractice with the Giants many times. He inherited a difficult cap situation but he's not liked in the locker room at all. I saw a TV host (former football player) say over the weekend that free agents are not coming to the Giants with the way they have handled their free agents. Telling. I don't like too much change but Schoen IMO has done a hair better than Gettleman. That is a low bar. The Giants beat writers are starting to sense it too and are circling. The Athletic had a fan survey today and NJ.COM and NY Post articles are questioning Schoen and Daboll on everything. The drum is beating.
They are both done. Daboll could be done next week when Dallas rolls over the Giants on Thanksgiving.
Saw that the Jets have retained Mike Tannenbaum to assist them in their GM , head coach search. If the Giants sever ties with Schoen and Daboll it’s likely they would bring in an outsider to assist them iin their search as well.
