This was just a matter of time

[NYShoreGuy]

Who knew Fighting Sioux unacceptable, fighting Irish acceptable. Learning something every day

2005 ncaa sent letters to 19 schools across all divisions about nickname and logo, some changed, some didnt or were given waivers...i stopped following und saga but the decision to change was granted numerous stays and final did 5 years ago...however beyond ncaa involvement, tribes associated in proximity to these schools have been strongwilled for decades about certain nicknames and logos.
One example of compromise illinois fighting illini but chief illinwek went away in 2007.

 

[HallBall10]

I'll speak closer to home. Call a team the whiteskins. I'd be okay with it. Call them the crackers. Call them the caucasians. I'm definitely cool with any of those.

Well I guess case closed. If white man says calling a team name a skin color Isn’t offensive then I guess it isn’t offensive...

Sir I really invite you to try to see things through a different lense. Your experiences and perspective is not the only one that exists.

if you can’t see that naming an American sports team after the skin color of anyone let alone of people who you kicked off their land isn’t a problem then I don’t know where to start with you.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Well I guess case closed. If white man says calling a team name a skin color Isn’t offensive then I guess it isn’t offensive...

Sir I really invite you to try to see things through a different lense. Your experiences and perspective is not the only one that exists.

if you can’t see that naming an American sports team after the skin color of anyone let alone of people who you kicked off their land isn’t a problem then I don’t know where to start with you.

I invite you to share with me what this accomplishes in the big picture. The damage to Native Americans is done. The only way to solve it properly is for all of us to pick up, go somewhere else, and give them back their land. That is not happening. So if you want to look at it through their eyes. That's where I would start. Changing a sports team name is esstentially giving someone $5 after you stole their car and feeling good about it.

Truthfully I think looking at it through a different lense means crap. How many Native Americans have I talked to in my life? Maybe 10-20. Never about this stuff. How do I look at it through their lense without ever talking to them about this? How many Native Americans have you personally talked to about this topic? Not some guy who speaks for all said to CNN or Fox, but people you've actually interacted with. We have President Trump, he's living proof no one person speaks for all. So unless you spoke to many Native Americans how do you know you're looking at it through the right lense.

 

[papacheesy2]

Well I guess case closed. If white man says calling a team name a skin color Isn’t offensive then I guess it isn’t offensive...

Sir I really invite you to try to see things through a different lense. Your experiences and perspective is not the only one that exists.

if you can’t see that naming an American sports team after the skin color of anyone let alone of people who you kicked off their land isn’t a problem then I don’t know where to start with you.

Just let it go. It's not worth the effort. Like halldan said to start this thread, the changing of these team names was just a matter of time. Some folks here may want to take the news kicking and screaming, but ultimately it's irrelevant. It's happening.

 

[jim34238]

I think we should sell Manhattan back for $24.00.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Just let it go. It's not worth the effort. Like halldan said to start this thread, the changing of these team names was just a matter of time. Some folks here may want to take the news kicking and screaming, but ultimately it's irrelevant. It's happening.

No crap it’s happening. What is it accomplishing? Nothing other than maybe a Trump victory. Every time the PC culture does something it crosses a line for a new group of independents who will swing in Trumps favor. They’re working against their own cause.

 

[HALL85]

No crap it’s happening. What is it accomplishing? Nothing other than maybe a Trump victory. Every time the PC culture does something it crosses a line for a new group of independents who will swing in Trumps favor. They’re working against their own cause.

Changing college and pro nicknames
Removing statues.
Painting slogans on streets.
Playing the black national anthem whatever that is.
Taking over downtown areas for a couple of weeks.
Protesting without Real propose solutions.

I’m glad they’re picking out the real hard stuff to do....smh. The only thing that this is going to change is where some people choose to live or go to school. Yawn.

 

[cernjSHU]

Changing college and pro nicknames
Removing statues.
Painting slogans on streets.
Playing the black national anthem whatever that is.
Taking over downtown areas for a couple of weeks.
Protesting without Real propose solutions.

I’m glad they’re picking out the real hard stuff to do....smh. The only thing that this is going to change is where some people choose to live or go to school. Yawn.

The political pendulum has now swung back to the other side as a predictable reactionary response to Trump. Trump’s antics, his feeding into the right wing conspiracies, encouraging racists in Charlottesville, his no show in leadership during the George Floyd murder have now resulted in a backlash from the other side. Symbolism counts. ANd these are symbols are counting. The far left are going too far, just like what has happened with the Republican Party. But, it’s a normal reaction to what has been going on.

The country needs to move more to the center. We need to come closer together. And while we may see things we do not like, try to see it from a different perspective. The things you are taking issue with in your post, do they really mean anything? Does a removal of a statue mean anything or impacts your life at all? No. These are just symbols of a culture war that Trump has thrown lighter fluid on and now you are seeing the country suffer for it.

 

[HALL85]

The political pendulum has now swung back to the other side as a predictable reactionary response to Trump. Trump’s antics, his feeding into the right wing conspiracies, encouraging racists in Charlottesville, his no show in leadership during the George Floyd murder have now resulted in a backlash from the other side. Symbolism counts. ANd these are symbols are counting. The far left are going too far, just like what has happened with the Republican Party. But, it’s a normal reaction to what has been going on.

The country needs to move more to the center. We need to come closer together. And while we may see things we do not like, try to see it from a different perspective. The things you are taking issue with in your post, do they really mean anything? Does a removal of a statue mean anything or impacts your life at all? No. These are just symbols of a culture war that Trump has thrown lighter fluid on and now you are seeing the country suffer for it.

No argument from me that Trump is divisive to excess (right out of the WWF playbook), but a culture war was also being fueled by the MSM and identity politics well before Trump. He is ill-equipped to deal with this culture issue and COVID. Painfully obvious.

You are correct about the pendulum. Question will be does it swing back even more or will it calibrate closer to the middle? Amazing to think that just 19 years ago how unified the country was right after 911.

 

[Pirata]

his no show in leadership

If you or anyone else is suggesting that there is anything....anything...anything that Trump would say do that the left and MSM would ever recognize as leadership then you are delusional.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

The political pendulum has now swung back to the other side as a predictable reactionary response to Trump. Trump’s antics, his feeding into the right wing conspiracies, encouraging racists in Charlottesville, his no show in leadership during the George Floyd murder have now resulted in a backlash from the other side. Symbolism counts. ANd these are symbols are counting. The far left are going too far, just like what has happened with the Republican Party. But, it’s a normal reaction to what has been going on.

The country needs to move more to the center. We need to come closer together. And while we may see things we do not like, try to see it from a different perspective. The things you are taking issue with in your post, do they really mean anything? Does a removal of a statue mean anything or impacts your life at all? No. These are just symbols of a culture war that Trump has thrown lighter fluid on and now you are seeing the country suffer for it.

What is the end game of these symbols? They are not fixing any core problems.

In order to see it from another's perspective it needs to be talked about in a back and forth dialogue. Not shut up and listen to me, which is what is going on. Where is the debate of why Andrew Jackson is a great American hero vs Andrew Jackson is a terrible man. Those types of conversations are not happening. Instead you have 2 sides of people saying shut up and listen to me. To think you can just say I'm going to look at life from another perspective is complete BS. How many times in life do people talk about an experience, and then when they go through it themselves for the first time, it is a whole new world for better or worse. Bottom line is we all think we know but we don't. Sometimes we say wow that was worse than I thought, and others we say people really complained about that, it wasn't so bad at all. And at what point do we stop trying to see the world through someone else's perspective. Do we look at things through Andrew Jackson's perspective too? Disagreement is the American Dream come true. Destroying things is not.

 

[HALL85]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/portland-oregon-protest-turns-violent-arrested-71594643

What a cluster...sure, defund the police...lol.

Portland supposedly a progressive city but gentrification pushing out the small African American population (6%). “Do as I say...not as I do.”

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/portland-oregon-protest-turns-violent-arrested-71594643

What a cluster...sure, defund the police...lol.

Portland supposedly a progressive city but gentrification pushing out the small African American population (6%). “Do as I say...not as I do.”

Portland is a DUMP. We should send NyShore and Bobbie to live in that utopia, probably an upgrade over Bayonne or Staten island

 

[HALL85]

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/at...tlanta-police-say/CLSJOKHUWFBDTH3UUGXQCKDPBA/

Just sad...children