Trump Sinking the Market with Tariffs

[The_Hall]

the rhetoric from the republican base that voted for trump that a "temporary" hit is worth it in the long run is starting to seem like straight coping. this is chaos. half those people won't be alive long enough to see it. America was supposed to be great again now, not in 15 years. and this idea that it will bounce back is also speculative. Trump is severing every tie in the global market.

its clear he doesn't understand tariffs and is too egotistical to pull back. its also clear he simply rages on "america not getting a fair deal." So japan doesn't buy american cars, and we buy a lot of japanese cars. is that not OK? not every market has to be a fair deal, it balances across every market. Maybe american cars stink? who is buying american cars? The brands make good cars, not the country. But hey, let's raise the price $6k for all americans who buy Toyotas because theyre affordable and reliable.

but the idea is that we start manufacturing in the US right? how are we ever going to compete with countries that have legal slave labor? the US citizens are always going to care about the price instead of where it comes from. are we going to find cheap labor all of a sudden? trump just shipped them all to the moon. no incentive or penalty in the world is going to stop people from buying cheaper products from other countries.

then companies are going to start laying off a lot of people to conserve their money for this complete self inflicted volatility. wonder if "the long run" will matter when people are unemployed for a year. mind you the unemployment market is already brimming with federal employees from the first self imposed brash decision. are we resetting from covid by revisiting covid conditions? events now can doom families futures.

its chaos. chaos isn't good .

 

[HALL85]

the rhetoric from the republican base that voted for trump that a "temporary" hit is worth it in the long run is starting to seem like straight coping. this is chaos. half those people won't be alive long enough to see it. America was supposed to be great again now, not in 15 years. and this idea that it will bounce back is also speculative. Trump is severing every tie in the global market.

its clear he doesn't understand tariffs and is too egotistical to pull back. its also clear he simply rages on "america not getting a fair deal." So japan doesn't buy american cars, and we buy a lot of japanese cars. is that not OK? not every market has to be a fair deal, it balances across every market. Maybe american cars stink? who is buying american cars? The brands make good cars, not the country. But hey, let's raise the price $6k for all americans who buy Toyotas because theyre affordable and reliable.

but the idea is that we start manufacturing in the US right? how are we ever going to compete with countries that have legal slave labor? the US citizens are always going to care about the price instead of where it comes from. are we going to find cheap labor all of a sudden? trump just shipped them all to the moon. no incentive or penalty in the world is going to stop people from buying cheaper products from other countries.

then companies are going to start laying off a lot of people to conserve their money for this complete self inflicted volatility. wonder if "the long run" will matter when people are unemployed for a year. mind you the unemployment market is already brimming with federal employees from the first self imposed brash decision. are we resetting from covid by revisiting covid conditions? events now can doom families futures.

its chaos. chaos isn't good .

I’m no expert on tariffs but your post demonstrates that you really don’t understand them either.

This was one of his platforms and he’s running with it. Like I said, I’m no expert but I’m skeptical about tariffs although there are varying opinions on how to use them and how effective they can be.

So far though, his border/immigration plan has been a success using only EO’s. Jury still out on what DOGE will save; negotiations ongoing regarding Ukraine and Gaza; Houthi’s being taken out aggressively and now talks being initiated with Iran.

I don’t like much of the schtick…focus on the policy implementation.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Textbook definition of a modern American liberal. Look at all my college degrees, I'm special! Dems used to be the party of the working class, now they're the party of the ivory tower academic elites.

Given this particular poster's history (not just here, but the trove too), I always assumed he was an arrogant child/teenager. Glad I learned something new today, but those college degrees sure didn't teach him anything about class or character.

Guy is bragging about his college degree on a college sports message board. 90% of the people here attended the same school and have a similar degree.

You would think a guy with a college degree would be smart enough to see my account was created in 2007. In order for me to be 13 years old, I must have created it 5 years before birth. Another guy with a degree and no ability to think for himself.

 

[The_Hall]

I’m no expert on tariffs but your post demonstrates that you really don’t understand them either.

This was one of his platforms and he’s running with it. Like I said, I’m no expert but I’m skeptical about tariffs although there are varying opinions on how to use them and how effective they can be.

So far though, his border/immigration plan has been a success using only EO’s. Jury still out on what DOGE will save; negotiations ongoing regarding Ukraine and Gaza; Houthi’s being taken out aggressively and now talks being initiated with Iran.

I don’t like much of the schtick…focus on the policy implementation.

he's using tariffs as a punishment. hes only punishing the US consumers.

i see you often mention the border. right now it looks like nobody cares. everything is in disarray. most americans were never really affected, his voter base just didn't like immigrants. its all about the wallet. much more chaos there now.

DOGE is a mess too. is elon still going? changed day by day. hes all upset people are being mean to him. can dish but not take. how many people will be unemployed from govt layoffs AND private sector layoffs because of ill thought out decisions by one person?


time will tell, but this was easy to see so far. really easy. his approval rating is already on the wrong side.

 

[cernjSHU]

Great, so you're arguing with a 13 year old. Classy guy you are.

You and most your fellow cultists have no independent thought. You march lock step with your leader. So when you ask what makes itsacurse more qualified and you snarkly say because he watches Rachel Maddow, when he responded to you the reason why he is qualified l, you just reject his degree and experience because you watch Mr Wonderful. What a ridiculous stance. You request why he is qualified and then mock him for bringing it up like it’s a scarlet letter. Yet, you have no qualms spouting off without an iota of knowledge.

You can’t talk economics cause there is no defending this. Only people who are in the tank with Trump can defend him. You are finally seeing Wall St people who supported Trump are now coming out against him.

 

[shu09]

You and most your fellow cultists have no independent thought. You march lock step with your leader. So when you ask what makes itsacurse more qualified and you snarkly say because he watches Rachel Maddow, when he responded to you the reason why he is qualified l, you just reject his degree and experience because you watch Mr Wonderful. What a ridiculous stance. You request why he is qualified and then mock him for bringing it up like it’s a scarlet letter. Yet, you have no qualms spouting off without an iota of knowledge.

You can’t talk economics cause there is no defending this. Only people who are in the tank with Trump can defend him. You are finally seeing Wall St people who supported Trump are now coming out against him.

Sounds like you were down another 5% today on a day when the broader market wasn't. Salty much? Stop panicking for once! All you TDS sufferers think this is the end of the (economic) world. The psychology of this phenomenon is absolutely fascinating to me. So many people let one man completely control their lives and emotions in every way and they become mentally wrecked. There is nothing exempt. One day they'll study it.

RIVN at $11.21 today. Would still love to know if your recommendation is to buy. Seems like a pretty good discount.

 

[HallBall02]

Sounds like you were down another 5% today on a day when the broader market wasn't. Salty much? Stop panicking for once! All you TDS sufferers think this is the end of the (economic) world. The psychology of this phenomenon is absolutely fascinating to me. So many people let one man completely control their lives and emotions in every way and they become mentally wrecked. There is nothing exempt. One day they'll study it.

RIVN at $11.21 today. Would still love to know if your recommendation is to buy. Seems like a pretty good discount.

TDS👆

 

[HALL85]

he's using tariffs as a punishment. hes only punishing the US consumers.

Time will tell. The consumer hasn’t been punished yet. Inflation is a definite possibility but it’s consumer confidence right now.

i see you often mention the border. right now it looks like nobody cares. everything is in disarray. most americans were never really affected, his voter base just didn't like immigrants. its all about the wallet. much more chaos there now.

Nobody cares about the border? That’s a crazy take as it was one of the two major reasons why Trump got the independent vote. Nobody cared about the illegal crime? Nobody cared about fentanyl? Nobody cared about human trafficking? Nobody cared about the additional financial burden it was putting on taxpayers to house them and provide services (like healthcare) at their expense? You’ve totally missed the point. The issue the electorate has the least concern about with illegal immigration is with the ones that are working. It’s actually the opposite. Most Americans are affected.

DOGE is a mess too. is elon still going? changed day by day. hes all upset people are being mean to him. can dish but not take. how many people will be unemployed from govt layoffs AND private sector layoffs because of ill thought out decisions by one person?

Both democrats and Republicans agree that there is waste, fraud and abuse in government. DOGE is already saving taxpayers money by eliminating tens of thousands of jobs and overhead by consolidating agencies.

time will tell, but this was easy to see so far. really easy. his approval rating is already on the wrong side.

All that matters is his approval rating and impact at the time of the mid-terms.

 

[HALL85]

You and most your fellow cultists have no independent thought. You march lock step with your leader. So when you ask what makes itsacurse more qualified and you snarkly say because he watches Rachel Maddow, when he responded to you the reason why he is qualified l, you just reject his degree and experience because you watch Mr Wonderful. What a ridiculous stance. You request why he is qualified and then mock him for bringing it up like it’s a scarlet letter. Yet, you have no qualms spouting off without an iota of knowledge.

You can’t talk economics cause there is no defending this. Only people who are in the tank with Trump can defend him. You are finally seeing Wall St people who supported Trump are now coming out against him.

lol…the first sentence in your response says it all. In your view, everyone that disagrees with you is a “Trump cultist”…. Yeah, there is nothing he can do that you will ever give him credit for. So much for independent thought.

 

[cernjSHU]

Sounds like you were down another 5% today on a day when the broader market wasn't. Salty much? Stop panicking for once! All you TDS sufferers think this is the end of the (economic) world. The psychology of this phenomenon is absolutely fascinating to me. So many people let one man completely control their lives and emotions in every way and they become mentally wrecked. There is nothing exempt. One day they'll study it.

RIVN at $11.21 today. Would still love to know if your recommendation is to buy. Seems like a pretty good discount.

That’s a good trick knowing what I am down. The broader market was down. Dow by 349, S&P by 11 and NAsDaQ eked out a positive for 15.

I have gone through the 2008 crash and the pandemic crash as an investor. And I haven’t panicked. I haven’t panicked sold either. But this is different. This is the President tanking the market and we do not know for what. Is it revenue to cover tax cuts, is it reciprocal tariffs (no), is it to get manufacturing jobs back, what explanation is it? It’s all chaos and this could lead to an economic calamity and worst case scenario is stagflation where there is. I easy out and lasts year.

So, if you are happy with your investments going down 20-25% since he has been office, well, good. I think it’s reckless and a sign that he cares nothing for the American public. Our money is burning while he plays golf

 

[cernjSHU]

lol…the first sentence in your response says it all. In your view, everyone that disagrees with you is a “Trump cultist”…. Yeah, there is nothing he can do that you will ever give him credit for. So much for independent thought.

When he purposely stole 25% of my portfolio and teachers and cops pension plans and peoples 401k plans, he gets nothing but ridicule. You criticized Biden for inflation when it was caused by several factors beyond any presidents control. Biden and the Fed brought inflation down. Yet, these purposeful actions of Trump you let slide. Actions, if this keeps in effect wil cause an economic meltdown. His China tariffs will absolutely destroy one of Americas best companies in Apple. Is that what we want from a president. To destroy the best company in America ?

Hopefully, the courts will slap an injunction on this action as it should be done by an act of Congress. Or that the billionaires finally get together to tell Trump to back off.

 

[HALL85]

When he purposely stole 25% of my portfolio and teachers and cops pension plans and peoples 401k plans, he gets nothing but ridicule. You criticized Biden for inflation when it was caused by several factors beyond any presidents control. Biden and the Fed brought inflation down. Yet, these purposeful actions of Trump you let slide. Actions, if this keeps in effect wil cause an economic meltdown. His China tariffs will absolutely destroy one of Americas best companies in Apple. Is that what we want from a president. To destroy the best company in America ?

The market is clearly reacting to the tariffs, but you are smart enough to know that investing in the market is to be looked at for the long-term. Who puts a bunch of money in in January expecting to get a payback in April? If you are dependent on that 401(k) retirement, everyone knows you should be rebalancing and de-risking your portfolio as you get closer to that retirement age.

Nobody is happy at the markets are down, but your Trump fear mongering is on brand.

Hopefully, the courts will slap an injunction on this action as it should be done by an act of Congress. Or that the billionaires finally get together to tell Trump to back off.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

You and most your fellow cultists have no independent thought. You march lock step with your leader. So when you ask what makes itsacurse more qualified and you snarkly say because he watches Rachel Maddow, when he responded to you the reason why he is qualified l, you just reject his degree and experience because you watch Mr Wonderful. What a ridiculous stance. You request why he is qualified and then mock him for bringing it up like it’s a scarlet letter. Yet, you have no qualms spouting off without an iota of knowledge.

You can’t talk economics cause there is no defending this. Only people who are in the tank with Trump can defend him. You are finally seeing Wall St people who supported Trump are now coming out against him.

His response is ridiculous because of his college degree and decades of experience. What kind of experience? Running google? Running apple? Running a pizzeria? A bank teller? Nope just experience. Do you know how many people that response makes qualified? That response makes me qualified. That response makes Trump qualified. That response probably makes your entire block qualified. Just about everyone with a business degree before 2000 is now qualified. Great logic. Let me know what Trumps missing from being qualified based on his response, the degree or decades of experience.

 

[Shaheton]

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I am fully invested in the market. No cash. But this could devastate the economy for years if this lunacy continues. Also, I do t have the time to make up the massive loss that I have experienced in three months. Down 20% since Trump took office and these tariffs kill my holdings. There is no defending lying to the country that these are reciprocal tariffs. There is no way to have manufacturing to come back sooner than 3-5 years and even then, it would be factories done not with humans but AI and robots.

This is all a scam done by Trump.

People 60 and up are very pissed about this relatively short term problem that has some long term positive impacts. It’s interesting. It’s like going to a town hall meeting and listening to NIMBY people.

 

[Shaheton]

You personally attack people all the time for no reason. Another hypocritical idiot

I’ve never seen anyone including 85 personally attack anyone here

Don’t get it

I’d like to hear what dems’ alternative policies are….I’ve seen trumps, don’t love all of them.

I’m sure this summer policies will be rolled out with pallets of bricks

 

[itsacurse]

I’d like to hear what dems’ alternative policies are….I’ve seen trumps, don’t love all of them.

alternatives to unilaterally causing stagflation? one alternative would be to simply not do that

 

[Shaheton]

alternatives to unilaterally causing stagflation? one alternative would be to simply not do that

I wasn’t referring to tariffs only but since you bring it up, I’ll seek clarity…your solution is reverse course and go back to what we were doing which was what exactly ?

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

I wasn’t referring to tariffs only but since you bring it up, I’ll seek clarity…your solution is reverse course and go back to what we were doing which was what exactly ?

Allowing other countries to have tariffs on our goods and we help make their economies great again.

 

[Shaheton]

Allowing other countries to have tariffs on our goods and we help make their economies great again.

Ok. That’s a plan.

 

[Section112]

For the folks that want to have a reasonable conversation - part of the problem is the Administration not communicating clearly what the end game is. Is it 1) generate revenues to fund tax cuts; 2) incent onshoring; or 3) open global markets for US exporters?

What is the priority ?The calculation is very haphazard. The worst prognosticators thought 10% overall tariffs. They blew that out of the water. They talked to many corporate CEOs and told them the tariffs won't be too bad. That didn't happen. And now Lutnick and Trump say little or no negotiation and Bessant says there will be lots of negotiation. What is it?

With those ridiculous facts, is it hard to understand why Wall Street, economists and more are saying how bad an event this is?

And as far as bringing back manufacturing to the US - it is not gonna look like the old days. It's gonna be AI and robots with limited workers. And supply chains are very complex. I saw an article that discussed how many countries Chevy relies on for parts and assembly of a Chevy Truck (most are assembled in Mexico). Chevy still relies heavily on parts from China and other countries for plastics, upholstery, steel and more.

My financial institution sent out a report with the headline "Firing a Bazooka into the dark." That is pretty close to what this is. Hopefully Bessant can talk them down, they take some wins on tariffs and move on but I don't think that will occur. Trump seems to have this idea that Norman Rockwell will emerge and manufacturing will rage again in the US. The GameStop CEO had a great line - "I can't wait to get my $10,000 IPhone manufactured in the US.

I'm hoping that their endgame is opening markets for US exporters without tariffs. The EU has already talked about taking away tariffs between the US and Europe. If that happened good for us and them. But right now I don't think they blink and things have the potential of getting much worse (inflation, recession, low growth and more). Hoping for a quick resolution.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

For the folks that want to have a reasonable conversation - part of the problem is the Administration not communicating clearly what the end game is. Is it 1) generate revenues to fund tax cuts; 2) incent onshoring; or 3) open global markets for US exporters?

What is the priority ?The calculation is very haphazard. The worst prognosticators thought 10% overall tariffs. They blew that out of the water. They talked to many corporate CEOs and told them the tariffs won't be too bad. That didn't happen. And now Lutnick and Trump say little or no negotiation and Bessant says there will be lots of negotiation. What is it?

With those ridiculous facts, is it hard to understand why Wall Street, economists and more are saying how bad an event this is?

And as far as bringing back manufacturing to the US - it is not gonna look like the old days. It's gonna be AI and robots with limited workers. And supply chains are very complex. I saw an article that discussed how many countries Chevy relies on for parts and assembly of a Chevy Truck (most are assembled in Mexico). Chevy still relies heavily on parts from China and other countries for plastics, upholstery, steel and more.

My financial institution sent out a report with the headline "Firing a Bazooka into the dark." That is pretty close to what this is. Hopefully Bessant can talk them down, they take some wins on tariffs and move on but I don't think that will occur. Trump seems to have this idea that Norman Rockwell will emerge and manufacturing will rage again in the US. The GameStop CEO had a great line - "I can't wait to get my $10,000 IPhone manufactured in the US.

I'm hoping that their endgame is opening markets for US exporters without tariffs. The EU has already talked about taking away tariffs between the US and Europe. If that happened good for us and them. But right now I don't think they blink and things have the potential of getting much worse (inflation, recession, low growth and more). Hoping for a quick resolution.

I think the end game is just to negotiate better terms for the US in as many facets as possible. Unfortunately you can’t tell the public the end game because then the opposition knows too. It’s like saying why can’t Sha draw up a play on the big screen so we can all see what’s supposed to happen?

 

[itsacurse]

I wasn’t referring to tariffs only but since you bring it up, I’ll seek clarity…your solution is reverse course and go back to what we were doing which was what exactly ?

Trump's plan does not work. We don't have the machinery or labor to reshore most of these jobs. Do you want your kids to get a job making socks? Even if you did you'd want them getting paid a wage they could live on, which would mean $40 socks. The tariff levels Trump cited on his chart were simply incorrect, they were reflections of trade deficits, not simply tariffs. But even so, Trump can brute force some of these smaller economies with protective tariffs into dropping them but to what end? Do you think Cambodians are going to start buying expensive American imports? Even if so the impact would be negligible. He is stuck in a world that no longer exists. Today they were complaining about Australians banning American beef. Why would Australians buy American beef when they have their own??
If you want to improve the lives of American workers, yes, you can try to reshore some factory jobs with some targeted tariffs. Tariffs on their own are not scary. It's that this plan sucks, and everyone knows it.
If you want to help out the average American you can probably find some money in the pockets of the 800 American billionaires who hold an aggregate 6 trillion dollars of wealth

 

[STLPirate12]

Allowing other countries to have tariffs on our goods and we help make their economies great again.

But they don't. Certainly not anywhere near the levels Trump claims - largely because they have no need to. Products get imported for 2 reasons - 1. they're not available domestically or 2. they're a lot more expensive domestically. Tariffs protect domestic businesses from being drastically undercut on price as a result of #2. But the US is already the most expensive place in the world to manufacture just about anything - there are very few industries where American companies are able to export to another country and undercut that country's domestic market. That's why we have a trade deficit, not because countries are charging us ridiculous tariffs to prevent our companies from competing but because American products are already among the most expensive.

If we want to set targeted tariffs focusing on industries where American businesses are struggling domestically because of price competition from foreign competitors, great! That's a good use for them. Starting trade wars with blanket tariffs against the entire world is only going to hurt American businesses, who already sell at a premium internationally by forcing those prices even higher when other countries reciprocate with their own tariffs.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

But they don't. Certainly not anywhere near the levels Trump claims - largely because they have no need to. Products get imported for 2 reasons - 1. they're not available domestically or 2. they're a lot more expensive domestically. Tariffs protect domestic businesses from being drastically undercut on price as a result of #2. But the US is already the most expensive place in the world to manufacture just about anything - there are very few industries where American companies are able to export to another country and undercut that country's domestic market. That's why we have a trade deficit, not because countries are charging us ridiculous tariffs to prevent our companies from competing but because American products are already among the most expensive.

If we want to set targeted tariffs focusing on industries where American businesses are struggling domestically because of price competition from foreign competitors, great! That's a good use for them. Starting trade wars with blanket tariffs against the entire world is only going to hurt American businesses, who already sell at a premium internationally by forcing those prices even higher when other countries reciprocate with their own tariffs.

Great answer…..They don’t…..well maybe they do but it’s ok when they do it since it’s not at Trumps’s level. LOL This looks like a pure negotiating tactic. We are literally 2 minutes into the game and we have IronKaz type posts that we are down 4-0, we suck, games over.

 

[HALL85]

Great answer…..They don’t…..well maybe they do but just not at Trumps’s level. LOL This looks like a pure negotiating tactic. We are literally 2 minutes into the game and we have IronKaz type posts that we are down 4-0, we suck, games over.

I’ll use the border comparison….we were told we needed bi-partisan Congressional legislation to slow the border crossings, yet two weeks after a series of EO’s, problem solved. (And I’m not a fan of endless EO’s).

 

[itsacurse]

Great answer…..They don’t…..well maybe they do but it’s ok when they do it since it’s not at Trumps’s level. LOL This looks like a pure negotiating tactic. We are literally 2 minutes into the game and we have IronKaz type posts that we are down 4-0, we suck, games over.

again you don't know what you're talking about. Tariffs are not binary. Trump admin wildly overstated almost every country's "tariffs" by instead showing the trade deficits as the metrics to respond to with tariffs. The stock market went up when it looked like Trump was only instituting 10% tariffs across the board, then fell off a cliff when he took out his chart showing "reciprocal" tariffs (not actually reciprocal) of over 60% for some countries. You don't need to do this to negotiate. Real strength is negotiating honestly and in good faith. Trump's method is going to get a lot of innocent people around the country laid off, but he doesn't care

 

[STLPirate12]

Great answer…..They don’t…..well maybe they do but it’s ok when they do it since it’s not at Trumps’s level. LOL This looks like a pure negotiating tactic. We are literally 2 minutes into the game and we have IronKaz type posts that we are down 4-0, we suck, games over.

Yeah, that's not what I said at all. I gave a good faith explanation of the role tariffs play in the economy and how other countries use them appropriately to help domestic businesses compete in their own domestic markets, not to target and take advantage of the US. The same way the US used to use them. But if you're only interested in demeaning my post and dismissing real conversation with "lol go trump!!!" then I have no interest in putting any effort into a discussion with you.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

again you don't know what you're talking about. Tariffs are not binary. Trump admin wildly overstated almost every country's "tariffs" by instead showing the trade deficits as the metrics to respond to with tariffs. The stock market went up when it looked like Trump was only instituting 10% tariffs across the board, then fell off a cliff when he took out his chart showing "reciprocal" tariffs (not actually reciprocal) of over 60% for some countries. You don't need to do this to negotiate. Real strength is negotiating honestly and in good faith. Trump's method is going to get a lot of innocent people around the country laid off, but he doesn't care

yawn. You act like these countries were ready to come to the table in good faith to negotiate. Why didn’t they do this under the previous administration? Nobody was stopping them from saying this doesn’t look right. Nobody is doing jack shit until their arm is twisted.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Yeah, that's not what I said at all. I gave a good faith explanation of the role tariffs play in the economy and how other countries use them appropriately to help domestic businesses compete in their own domestic markets, not to target and take advantage of the US. The same way the US used to use them. But if you're only interested in demeaning my post and dismissing real conversation with "lol go trump!!!" then I have no interest in putting any effort into a discussion with you.

The same way the US used to use them. We are in a huge hole. Whatever we used to do, is probably not the way to go if you want to fix the problem. You keep the pom poms going for the definition of insanity

 

[itsacurse]

yawn. You act like these countries were ready to come to the table in good faith to negotiate. Why didn’t they do this under the previous administration? Nobody was stopping them from saying this doesn’t look right. Nobody is doing jack shit until their arm is twisted.

it's because this is a terrible idea and its wrecking the global economy. that's why

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

it's because this is a terrible idea and its wrecking the global economy. that's why

Let me get this straight. These other countries don’t want to negotiate with us in good faith because they’re worried about the global economy. Go rest of the world, keep screwing America. America last policy.

Lot of homeless in the world, go feed them before you feed your own kids. Your family last

 

[itsacurse]

Let me get this straight. These other countries don’t want to negotiate with us in good faith because they’re worried about the global economy. Go rest of the world, keep screwing America. America last policy.

Lot of homeless in the world, go feed them before you feed your own kids. Your family last

nobody is getting fed man. look at our stock market right now

 

[HALL85]

I am on the board of a Medical Device manufacturer that is based in Europe. I am one of only two U.S. members with everyone else from a variety of European countries. Obviously these issues (tariffs, Ukraine, Russia, Greenland, our elections, etc) are top of mind.

It’s funny that they will be the first to admit that many of Trump’s positions are correct, but they also hate the way he speaks down to them. For instance, they admit that EU countries need to contribute more to NATO. Some are pissed at others for not carrying their weight. Many Danes prefer that Greenland become a U.S. territory because they are tired of subsidizing them at $500 million per year while they cry for independence. And they even admit that trade agreements should be re-negotiated.

In all fairness they worry most about Trump being too cavalier with his Russia / Ukraine comments. Russia is their greatest threat by far.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

nobody is getting fed man. look at our stock market right now

With obesity in this country, it might be a make America healthy again strategy

 

[knowknow456]

I am on the board of a Medical Device manufacturer that is based in Europe. I am one of only two U.S. members with everyone else from a variety of European countries. Obviously these issues (tariffs, Ukraine, Russia, Greenland, our elections, etc) are top of mind.

It’s funny that they will be the first to admit that many of Trump’s positions are correct, but they also hate the way he speaks down to them. For instance, they admit that EU countries need to contribute more to NATO. Some are pissed at others for not carrying their weight. Many Danes prefer that Greenland become a U.S. territory because they are tired of subsidizing them at $500 million per year while they cry for independence. And they even admit that trade agreements should be re-negotiated.

In all fairness they worry most about Trump being too cavalier with his Russia / Ukraine comments. Russia is their greatest threat by far.

What was their take on Willard taking the Villanova job?

 

[The_Hall]

Time will tell. The consumer hasn’t been punished yet. Inflation is a definite possibility but it’s consumer confidence right now.

Nobody cares about the border? That’s a crazy take as it was one of the two major reasons why Trump got the independent vote. Nobody cared about the illegal crime? Nobody cared about fentanyl? Nobody cared about human trafficking? Nobody cared about the additional financial burden it was putting on taxpayers to house them and provide services (like healthcare) at their expense? You’ve totally missed the point. The issue the electorate has the least concern about with illegal immigration is with the ones that are working. It’s actually the opposite. Most Americans are affected.

Both democrats and Republicans agree that there is waste, fraud and abuse in government. DOGE is already saving taxpayers money by eliminating tens of thousands of jobs and overhead by consolidating agencies.

All that matters is his approval rating and impact at the time of the mid-terms.

nobody cares about the border now. a lot of people would trade it back to get out of this chaos. if they cared then his approval rating wouldn't be what it is after the vaunted border moves.

DOGE didn't save any taxpayers money. theyre not paying less because of them. does that money go father now? probably not. he nuked much needed things in addition to the waste. theres no thouhht into it. why couldn't they do some work for a few months, or better yet done that work to begin with.

 

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he's using tariffs as a punishment. hes only punishing the US consumers.

i see you often mention the border. right now it looks like nobody cares. everything is in disarray. most americans were never really affected, his voter base just didn't like immigrants. its all about the wallet. much more chaos there now.

DOGE is a mess too. is elon still going? changed day by day. hes all upset people are being mean to him. can dish but not take. how many people will be unemployed from govt layoffs AND private sector layoffs because of ill thought out decisions by one person?


time will tell, but this was easy to see so far. really easy. his approval rating is already on the wrong side.

nobody cares about the border now. a lot of people would trade it back to get out of this chaos. if they cared then his approval rating wouldn't be what it is after the vaunted border moves.

DOGE didn't save any taxpayers money. theyre not paying less because of them. does that money go father now? probably not. he nuked much needed things in addition to the waste. theres no thouhht into it. why couldn't they do some work for a few months, or better yet done that work to begin with.

You wrote the exact same thing this morning. Are you suffering dementia? Here’s my response so maybe you can read it this time:

Nobody cares about the border? That’s a crazy take as it was one of the two major reasons why Trump got the independent vote. Nobody cared about the illegal crime? Nobody cared about fentanyl? Nobody cared about human trafficking? Nobody cared about the additional financial burden it was putting on taxpayers to house them and provide services (like healthcare) at their expense? You’ve totally missed the point. The issue the electorate has the least concern about with illegal immigration is with the ones that are working. It’s actually the opposite. Most Americans are affected.

Both democrats and Republicans agree that there is waste, fraud and abuse in government. DOGE is already saving taxpayers money by eliminating tens of thousands of jobs and overhead by consolidating agencies.

 

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You wrote the exact same thing this morning. Are you suffering dementia? Here’s my response so maybe you can read it this time:

Nobody cares about the border? That’s a crazy take as it was one of the two major reasons why Trump got the independent vote. Nobody cared about the illegal crime? Nobody cared about fentanyl? Nobody cared about human trafficking? Nobody cared about the additional financial burden it was putting on taxpayers to house them and provide services (like healthcare) at their expense? You’ve totally missed the point. The issue the electorate has the least concern about with illegal immigration is with the ones that are working. It’s actually the opposite. Most Americans are affected.

Both democrats and Republicans agree that there is waste, fraud and abuse in government. DOGE is already saving taxpayers money by eliminating tens of thousands of jobs and overhead by consolidating agencies.

sorry, the previous comment pre loaded in my response window. happens on mobile from time to time. its literally the exact same comment. i just edited and removed it.

my new comment was also there you didn't see it

 

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sorry, the previous comment pre loaded in my response window. happens on mobile from time to time. its literally the exact same comment. i just edited and removed it.

my new comment was also there you didn't see it

Do you understand how a P/L works? Lay off tens of thousands of employees reduces expenses. It’s math.

 

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Do you understand how a P/L works? Lay off tens of thousands of employees reduces expenses. It’s math.

and where is the math that it will take less tax out of a paycheck for everyone?