How was that telling? That is a part of the script to go on a TV network as a campaign manager of another republican candidate.
Trump takes South Carolina and Jeb bows out
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How was that telling? That is a part of the script to go on a TV network as a campaign manager of another republican candidate.
To say nothing of implying unemployment is closer to 50 %..............
This whole thing keeps getting more puzzling...new poll has Trump at 49% of Republican voters nationally now (another new ceiling). I guess a lot of those Jeb voters ended up moving to Trump. He's also leading in high 40's with both college and H.S. educated voters, so it's not just the NASCAR set. All of the debate nonsense from the other night just played more in his favor.
Puzzling to say the least. My chicken little moment (Hill vs Trump) is actually happening. My only hope is that Hillary gets prosecuted and Trump does something so stupid he gets ousted but unfortunately that will all happen after the delegates are in.
I read that poll. We will know soon enough how accurate that one is. If it is close, he could have it all but locked up after today.
One thing of note that I saw was that if Trump was not the first choice, 48% of those people said they would definitely not or would probably not support Trump.
31 % of Non cruz supporters and 29% of Non Rubio supports said the same thing.
33 % of Sanders supporters said they would not (or probably would not) support Hillary
24% of Hillary supporters said they would not (or probably would not)
Not great news for general election match-ups for Trump.
One thing of note that I saw was that if Trump was not the first choice, 48% of those people said they would definitely not or would probably not support Trump.
31 % of Non cruz supporters and 29% of Non Rubio supports said the same thing.
33 % of Sanders supporters said they would not (or probably would not) support Hillary
24% of Hillary supporters said they would not (or probably would not)
Not great news for general election match-ups for Trump.
Despite what has been reported, Trump has definitely disavowed SPK.
CNN released the rest of the data from that poll this morning
Net favoraibility is bad for Trump. Worst among all candidates and he loses the general election match-ups to both Clinton and Sanders with or without Bloomberg in the race.
I am sticking with Trump having a ceiling too low for the general. He is too polarizing, people either worship him or think he is insane. There are very few people in the middle ground on him.
The only wild card is if he wins the nomination and completely changes his tone... but if he changes his tone enough to attract reasonable voters, will he be turning off his base?
Apparently there is audio of him basically saying the "deport all of the illegals and force mexico to build a wall" is his starting point for a negotiation for broad policy reform but doesn't expect to actually deport all of them. I like that version of Trump. I like a pragmatic approach, but I doubt the people he is riling up will be happy about that.
Net favoraibility is bad for Trump. Worst among all candidates and he loses the general election match-ups to both Clinton and Sanders with or without Bloomberg in the race.
I am sticking with Trump having a ceiling too low for the general. He is too polarizing, people either worship him or think he is insane. There are very few people in the middle ground on him.
The only wild card is if he wins the nomination and completely changes his tone... but if he changes his tone enough to attract reasonable voters, will he be turning off his base?
Apparently there is audio of him basically saying the "deport all of the illegals and force mexico to build a wall" is his starting point for a negotiation for broad policy reform but doesn't expect to actually deport all of them. I like that version of Trump. I like a pragmatic approach, but I doubt the people he is riling up will be happy about that.
Do you like the Trump who tried to be cute& play both sides with the David Duke endorsement? Come on man, he's a despicable SOB who cannot be backed by any rational, educated person.
I agree 100%. I guess I am wondering if there is anything he could say or do that could turn reasonable people in favor of him... Even if it was something like disavowing everything he had previously said because it was to get attention or something.
There is no chance for me to personally vote for him. He is riling up too much anger and I think a lot of his comments are borderline dangerous.
But a lying, despicable, on-the-verge of an indictment, polarizing, Wall Street pandering sack-of-shit is a preferred choice? Let's face it, we have two bad choices, so if you are going to be honest......
Looks like Bern is about to be iced...too bad. I liked his ideas on campaign reform, but the OWS crowd once again shows the lack of staying power.
I still expect Hillary to be the nominee but I wouldn't blame the OWS crowd. They have been doing their part. Youth turnout has been up so far compared to 2008 which is why Bernie closed the gap in Iowa and Nevada.
Looks like two despicable, character-challenged dregs will be the two major party nominees, how sad.
What do you mean now? South Carolina was really never in play and not really a "OWS" type of target state. The youth vote showed up for 3 out of 4.
If they show up tonight Sanders has a decent shot at taking 4-5 states tonight. If they don't show up, Hillary will win the nomination tonight.
I'm telling you guys, you'll be longing for the days of Obama a few years from now after we have to pick between Hillary and Donald. You don't realize it now but I know I do and I will be doing just that.
Obama hasn't been perfect by any means but right now I wish we could give him a third term. I don't think I can bring myself to vote for Hillary or Trump.
I don't see a Hillary presidency that much different than Obama's honestly but could be more effective at negotiating.
She is all about her legacy, and she will work to build and protect it. I don't like her at all, but I think she could be effective.
As bad as Obama has been, putting a criminal in the White House is unthinkable. No thank you.
Seriously, what is this thing about creating a legacy? What legacy has she built that she needs to protect? She's accomplished very little in her career outside of saying vague statements about how "she fought for things".
Obama has just been a horrible president from economic;policy to foreign policy to divisiveness to legality to transparency, the list is endless.
He caused the environment that brings us to two charlatans as the major party nominees.
No thank you.
Looks like that poll way way off btw. Seems like Trump is still hovering in the mid 30's from what we saw last night so he got very little from Christie, Jeb, Paul and Fiorina dropping out. Ceiling?
A contested convention became a little bit more likely last night. Having the candidates all stay in helps block Trump during the proportional races as Trump currently has less than 50% of the pledged delegates at this point. I think Rubio may drop before the 15th if he can't do significantly better next week than he did last night. From the polling data, Rubio backers are more likely to go to Cruz than Trump. Rubio can also hold his delegates until the convention and trade them for a VP spot.
Haven't seen any poll with Trump in the 30's, so not sure what you're referring. Where are all the votes going from the candidates that have dropped out? I'd love to see Kasich emerge from this mess, but it's not happening. Trump vs. Hillary..here we go.
BTW, it's disgraceful to see Christie on the campaign trail with Trump.
Very few have him above 40%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...lican_presidential_nomination-3823.html#polls
but what I was referring to was the outcome of last night compared to the CNN poll giving him 49%.
For that number to be close, Trump would need to exceed 50% by a significant amount in some states to make up for the states where he is around 30%. Trump got about 35% of the vote last night which is pretty much where he has been all along...
On the surface you would think Trump was a huge winner last night and will run away with it but he will actually end up earning less delegates than Rubio and Cruz combined. If either of them drops, they can request their delegates go to the other one.
I think the party is actively trying to block Trump from getting the required delegates.
The numbers last night you are basing 35% includes Texas, Cruz' home state that had by far, the largest number of delegates and voters, but nice try. The point is the ceiling keeps rising by the 15th he will likely distance himself with several winner take all states including Florida.
I have often criticized Nj's Junior Senator Cory Booker for being an absentee Mayor when he was Mayor of Newark. Well Christie is just as bad if not worse when it comes to abandoning those that elected him.
Tom K
lol...forgot he was one of our Senators. Pretty pathetic...Christie and Booker; absent from the state and Menendez under investigation. NJ politics....wow...And you wonder why the public is angry...
Agree. He is a dead man walking. Former Governor Christie Whitman wrote a piece for Time Magazine saying how much of an opportunist it appears he is and how he needs to run the state. She was not a good governor but she is right. You would think that after all the criticism he took for being out of the state that when he had the chance to come back after he got out of the election he would come back and take care of NJ business. He did well in his first two years as Governor (property taxes have in fact slowed their growth considerably) but since then its been all downhill and he needs to get his ass back here and finish the job. He also looked very uncomfortable standing there last night - it was almost like he lost a bet and that was how he had to pay Donald back.
Of course it includes Texas. We were talking about a national average! I mean I am fine if they secede, but I am pretty sure they haven't yet.
I think you may be missing my point though. I am not sing Trump won't be the nominee. In all likelihood he will be at this point... but watching the race it appears that the party is doing everything they should be doing to try and block Trump from getting the 1273 needed to win. I think that is pretty interesting and we really haven't seen anything like this in my lifetime.
The timing of Jeb dropping was to get Rubio above the state minimum thresholds in certain states.
The fact that Kasich is still in this at all even though it is mathematically impossible for him to win is to block some delegates in Michigan and possibly take Ohio. Once we are looking at the winner take all states, everyone but 2nd will drop out of the race in hopes that the ceiling for Trump is real.
it's also interesting that during his Presidential campaign, Christie ripped into Rubio about the Florida Senators absences from the capitol.
Tom K
And somehow huge numbers of Republicans are coming out to vote too which is a big change this primary season - and for Trump?
You can talk about the polls all you want but this Primary has proven how inaccurate the polls have been in demand and accuracy. Everything has been turned upside down and the choices still suck.
You can talk about the polls all you want but this Primary has proven how inaccurate the polls have been in demand and accuracy. Everything has been turned upside down and the choices still suck.
I don't care how you lean, when it comes down to Trump and Hillary, we've devolved WAY past picking the lesser of two evils. Either is a horrible choice. Kudos to the R's for trying to block Trump, but it's too little, too late, in all likelihood.
I watched a youtube that had Ross Perot debating Clinton and Bush. We thought he was a nut back then, but he looks tamer than anyone in this race, more qualified and looking back, he was right.
I agree that the Republican establishment is trying to derail Trump. And though the Dem message is that they welcome him as the Rep candidate, they would like nothing better than for Cruz or Rubio to get the nomination. His appeal is populist and not ideological. That is a big concern amongst the establishment types on both sides.
2 things about Perot, remember his line, that the great sucking sound you hear is NAFTA sucking jobs away, and if it wasn't for his flip charts on the deficit, I don't thing Gingrich and Clinton would have ever balanced the budget.
Too bad those people were trying to abduct his daughter.......
Ross was right because that sucking sound happened and continues to happen with every bad trade deal we sign.
I want a candidate to start tracking US companies and go public every time they export our jobs. And I want corporate tax reform in a huge way. Those two things will help keep more jobs in the US.
I want a candidate to start tracking US companies and go public every time they export our jobs. And I want corporate tax reform in a huge way. Those two things will help keep more jobs in the US.
Couldn't disagree more. I'd say he's been an average to slightly above average president. Did a fine job after he was dealt a brutal hand.
I agree with 09 here. People on message boards tend to exaggerate. Just look at our Hoops Board. "Willard is terrible. Lets fire him", then we win 8 of 9 and the same posters call him coach of the year. Obama certainly has not been a great President but he's not a terrible one either. In my opinion he has been very average. Good in some areas & not good in others. I was hoping that our next President would be better than that, but considering the candidates ..........
There is "hope" however, sometimes people surprise us. Harry Truman for example. Considered by historians to be the least qualified of any to assume the office but now rated as high as #6 among our great or near great Presidents. So is there a Harry Truman in this group ??????
Tom K
There is "hope" however, sometimes people surprise us. Harry Truman for example. Considered by historians to be the least qualified of any to assume the office but now rated as high as #6 among our great or near great Presidents. So is there a Harry Truman in this group ??????
Tom K
