Trump - The Hits Keep Coming

[Merge]

Trump shouldn't have said anything about Kahn. Shows how immature he is by responding.

Khans writings were from 35 years ago.... Digging for something to discredit him from 35 years ago shows how disasterous this is for trump.

 

[knowknow456]

As SPK taught me all those years ago, we need to keep it real. The reality is the Cavalry is not coming to save us. The choice is either Clinton or Trump. To choose otherwise is a waste.

 

[SPK145]

As SPK taught me all those years ago, we need to keep it real. The reality is the Cavalry is not coming to save us. The choice is either Clinton or Trump. To choose otherwise is a waste.

Well, I disagree on that, I don't want to be party to either one of those horrible candidates.

Gary Johnson fits the bill.

 

[HALL85]

As SPK taught me all those years ago, we need to keep it real. The reality is the Cavalry is not coming to save us. The choice is either Clinton or Trump. To choose otherwise is a waste.

That's your prerogative, however it strikes me as a defeatist attitude.

I will say that this election cycle has spurred a great deal of conversation with our three Millenial kids who up until now had a barely passing interest in politics. Maybe it's because they are at a different point in their life; maybe the lack of character of Clinton and Trump has stirred them. All three were Bernie leans, not because of many of his positions, but because of his character and potential to change our path. All three are women and they all said they will no way vote for Hillary because of the lies and moral bankruptcy. I doubt they will vote for Trump. (All voted for BO in 2008).

 

[cernjSHU]

You don't care about morality, that's your prerogative, I'm not going to nor should I even try to change your mind, at least you're honest about it.

As I see it:

Drugs are not morally wrong, but is a crime merely because some special interest party who thinks they know what's best for you decided it is. Drugs should be as legal as alcohol, what's the difference?

A married man getting a blow job from someone other than his wife isn't criminal (it actually is in some states) but is morally wrong. Would you get a hummer from someone other than your wife?

Morality is in the eye of the beholder; criminality is in the eye of the legislator.

While I may understand the rationale of legalization of all drugs, all drugs are not created equal. Alcohol is fine. Marijuana should be legal. But I have seen the devastating effects of cocaine, heroin and opiate abuse. If the effects only affected the person who ingested the drugs, I would lean to your view. But heroin and hard drugs destroy the person and everyone who cares for that person. While it is true, alcohol can do the same, but there is no such thing as doing heroin in moderation.

Thus, a drug abuser can never be trusted with the reigns of power with government. The unpredictability, the irrationality, the inability to think clearly of drug abusers make them unfit to govern. A BJ does not have any of those effects from governing. That is the difference.

 

[Seton75]

Oh come on cern. You hate the devastating effects of hard drugs but alcohol is fine. Abuse of both have ruined millions of lives.

I am not sure we need more legal stuff to get us high, but if one wants to get high, they are gonna do it, legal or not.

If Nixon was drunk post Watergate as alleged that as bad as being high on drugs

I am not in favor of legalizing all drugs.

 

[HALL85]

Did I miss something? Does Johnson use heroin? He's actually an accomplished Iron Man athlete.

 

[knowknow456]

SPK & Hall - I admire your commitment to character and morality. However, like it or not, the reality on the ground is Trump or Clinton. Perhaps you are playing the long game - a vote for Johnson now will set up a viable third party option in 2020, when we will be faced with a Trump/Warren or Clinton/Cruz election.

In 2016, a vote for Johnson is, as I see it, a vote for Trump. (Among professional pundits, there is a school of thought that says a vote for Johnson is a vote for Clinton. As of today, I disagree but we will know more in the next six weeks or so.)

 

[Merge]

SPK & Hall - I admire your commitment to character and morality. However, like it or not, the reality on the ground is Trump or Clinton. Perhaps you are playing the long game - a vote for Johnson now will set up a viable third party option in 2020, when we will be faced with a Trump/Warren or Clinton/Cruz election.

In 2016, a vote for Johnson is, as I see it, a vote for Trump. (Among professional pundits, there is a school of thought that says a vote for Johnson is a vote for Clinton. As of today, I disagree but we will know more in the next six weeks or so.)

I'll judge as time goes. As of today I will not be voting for Clinton, however I recognize the importance of ensuring that Trump is never elected president so if it is a close election I will like many Americans hold my nose and vote for Clinton.

Maybe I will be complicit in electing another corrupt lying politician, but I I will not be complicit in potentially starting a world war. Trump has proven that he severely lacks the temperament to be president.

 

[HALL85]

SPK & Hall - I admire your commitment to character and morality. However, like it or not, the reality on the ground is Trump or Clinton. Perhaps you are playing the long game - a vote for Johnson now will set up a viable third party option in 2020, when we will be faced with a Trump/Warren or Clinton/Cruz election.

In 2016, a vote for Johnson is, as I see it, a vote for Trump. (Among professional pundits, there is a school of thought that says a vote for Johnson is a vote for Clinton. As of today, I disagree but we will know more in the next six weeks or so.)

Or maybe a vote for Johnson, is a vote for Johnson. Personally, I don't buy into this "I will vote for one to prevent the other from being elected" rationale. I also really don't care which of the two I would be supporting if I do go to Johnson. I don't see this as a "game". I think about my kids and the damage that either one of these candidates are capable of.

Character still matters to me. The way this is going we will have some of the same people saying "how could that happen as when the whole Enron empire fell".

 

[cernjSHU]

Oh come on cern. You hate the devastating effects of hard drugs but alcohol is fine. Abuse of both have ruined millions of lives.

I am not sure we need more legal stuff to get us high, but if one wants to get high, they are gonna do it, legal or not.

If Nixon was drunk post Watergate as alleged that as bad as being high on drugs

I am not in favor of legalizing all drugs.

Really????? You are going to compare alcohol to heroin? No such thing as heroin in moderation. Most people drink alcohol and don't abuse it. Yes when people do abuse it, it is devastating. As I stated the abuse of alcohol is devastating as well. But, the two are no the same and not by a long shot.

 

[knowknow456]

85 - I regret using the word "waste". A vote is never wasted. If you feel strongly about Johnson (and many people do, just not enough) then by all means vote for Johnson.

However, you are willfully turning a blind eye to what I am saying. Barring a miracle, Trump or Clinton will be your next President. It will be a cold comfort if (as Merge implies) you are suffering from radiation sickness from the nuclear fallout and you tell everyone, "Hey, I voted for Johnson". Similarly, if Russia hacks Clinton's server and somehow manages to destroy our energy grid, you will be cold and in the dark. Saying, "Hey I voted for Johnson" will not keep you warm or bright.

A vote for Johnson is not made in a vacuum. It comes with a built in side effect - Trump or Clinton. It isn't a game, it is the reality. As someone who works in Pharma, I know you appreciate the concept of side effects.

 

[Bobbie Solo]

The only way for third party candidates to become viable every election is for a steady rise in their numbers. The Libertarian and Green Parties will get more federal matching funds the better they do in this election.

There seems to always be a reason given to NOT vote for them...another historic election, it's too important right now yadda yadda yadda. I've BEEN done waiting. I've voted Green Party the last two elections and I don't see any reason to stop now.

And you're crazy if you don't think Hillary will drag us into another war somewhere too. She will at the very least increase our presence in Afghanistan, Iraq & Syria way more than Obama has recently. And that's despite VERY clear messages from the people that we want to leave that area of the world (nevermind that leaving will actually be more beneficial to us in the long run too).

 

[cernjSHU]

The only way for third party candidates to become viable every election is for a steady rise in their numbers. The Libertarian and Green Parties will get more federal matching funds the better they do in this election.

There seems to always be a reason given to NOT vote for them...another historic election, it's too important right now yadda yadda yadda. I've BEEN done waiting. I've voted Green Party the last two elections and I don't see any reason to stop now.

And you're crazy if you don't think Hillary will drag us into another war somewhere too. She will at the very least increase our presence in Afghanistan, Iraq & Syria way more than Obama has recently. And that's despite VERY clear messages from the people that we want to leave that area of the world (nevermind that leaving will actually be more beneficial to us in the long run too).

Just curious. Who is Jill Stein from the Green Party? Has she ever done anything in government for you to think that she has any clue on how to govern nevertheless run a country? In my opinion, voting for Jill Stein is a complete waste. She has no ability to run a country and no background for it. At least the Libertarian ticket has people who have actually held a real political office.

 

[shupat08]

Meg Whitman, Michael Hayden, Vin Weber, Michael Morrell.

Republican Congressman Coffman's anti-Trump (and Hillary) campaign ad...

Getting worse and worse for Trump.

 

[HALL85]

85 - I regret using the word "waste". A vote is never wasted. If you feel strongly about Johnson (and many people do, just not enough) then by all means vote for Johnson.

However, you are willfully turning a blind eye to what I am saying. Barring a miracle, Trump or Clinton will be your next President. It will be a cold comfort if (as Merge implies) you are suffering from radiation sickness from the nuclear fallout and you tell everyone, "Hey, I voted for Johnson". Similarly, if Russia hacks Clinton's server and somehow manages to destroy our energy grid, you will be cold and in the dark. Saying, "Hey I voted for Johnson" will not keep you warm or bright.

A vote for Johnson is not made in a vacuum. It comes with a built in side effect - Trump or Clinton. It isn't a game, it is the reality. As someone who works in Pharma, I know you appreciate the concept of side effects.

No offense, but I really don't understand your reasoning. Let's face it, Trump is self-destructing and Hillary is one devastating wiki leak from imploding as well. So to say it's a longshot, maybe, maybe not. both Trump and Clinton are dangerous. One is clueless and one puts themselves above the law. I don't see one or the other as a lesser of two evils. They are both equally evil and dangerous. The popular term this election cycle is "voting your conscience." My conscience tells me no way to vote for either one of them.

 

[Save Continental]

In 2016, a vote for Johnson is, as I see it, a vote for Trump. (Among professional pundits, there is a school of thought that says a vote for Johnson is a vote for Clinton. As of today, I disagree but we will know more in the next six weeks or so.)

I actually don't see it this way. Let's face it, Hillary Clinton is our next president. How many more bungles will Trump make between now and November? Does he even really want to be President? If he did, too bad, because maybe he would have had a fighting chance if he toned down the nonsense. He's probably going to get destroyed, but this might be a chance for those of us disgusted with the 2 main parties to put a little ding in them with a couple million GJ votes

I agree with alot of what BS says above too about Hillary, though I could not vote for Jill Stein (I do agree with her stance on the military)

 

[SPK145]

bobbie solo has integrity and character.

 

[SPK145]

SPK & Hall - I admire your commitment to character and morality. However, like it or not, the reality on the ground is Trump or Clinton. Perhaps you are playing the long game

I guess you haven't been around these parts over the last 10+ years, I almost always vote third-party and libertarian, this is no one-off for me, it's just amplified because of the two putrid major-party candidates.

 

[Seton75]

The only way for third party candidates to become viable every election is for a steady rise in their numbers. The Libertarian and Green Parties will get more federal matching funds the better they do in this election.

There seems to always be a reason given to NOT vote for them...another historic election, it's too important right now yadda yadda yadda. I've BEEN done waiting. I've voted Green Party the last two elections and I don't see any reason to stop now.

And you're crazy if you don't think Hillary will drag us into another war somewhere too. She will at the very least increase our presence in Afghanistan, Iraq & Syria way more than Obama has recently. And that's despite VERY clear messages from the people that we want to leave that area of the world (nevermind that leaving will actually be more beneficial to us in the long run too).

I don't feel Hillary will drag us into a another war, so call me crazy.

You can be damned sure that the last thing Obama would have thought he would see when he left office after two teams was us still being in the Middle east and actually increasing our presence. It never is as easy to do what you want to do once you begin to deal with the whole issue, which includes a lot of facts that we don't know about I assume. Bush/Cheney et al opened a real bad can of worms and it isn't going away easily or quickly

Re third party, I admire the loyalty to an ideology that doesn't draw any votes that SPK has shown over the years. He has been a spokesman here for the libertarians for as long as I can remember. We know Steve shows disdain for both parties. But Nader probably won the election for W. And Perot for Clinton. It is interesting that Perot got almost 19%, Nader got almost 3, Wallace got 13%, and the libertarians have not yet gotten as much as 1%...cult of personality, just like with Trump. One assumes wsith the two least popular candidates in history running the libs will make a real jump up this time. Is 10% feasible? Americans do not seem to be drawn by ideas, but by rep or bluster.

I happen to believe that a liberal democracy with the govt showing reasonable influence in the economy is best for this country. It would be wonderful if humans were designed so capitalism would create a fair and thriving economy. We are so sad at the deplorable conditions at the Asian Nike factories. But that was NYC sweatshops pre-union. I think if we just let the economy sort itself out after the financial markets raped us it would have cause a far worse disaster. I know we all say too much govt control is killing the economy, that companies drown in red tape cause by govt regs. But words I have never heard when in the supermarket, I wish the govt would get the hell out of the meat packing business and let the market regulate itself.

And I remember Perot in 92 with his flip charts about the debt, and the debt problem seemed insurmountable. But 6 years later, Gingrich shoved a balanced budget down Clinton's throat and he did what was needed to make it happen. And with the election of a repub 2 years later, they gave it all away. And now the repub candidate blames it all on Obama, even the death of a soldier who died in W's first term...aint that America...four more years of a Clinton, oh my lord...that is not my idea of a good time (depending on the definition of IS) but of the two, the only one a sane person would support...but I might just go fishing...

 

[cernjSHU]

Third party candidates have been a joke. Yes, there is a lot we can criticize from the leaders of both parties. But there hasn't been a legitimate 3rd party since Teddy Roosevelt and the Bull Moose Party. Perot, Nader, George Wallace? Please. All of them should have never been considered by anyone for President.

The two party system, while imperfect, works. For example, Bernie Sanders is really a third party candidate. However, many of his ideas are now adopted by the Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary. That's how it works in this country.

 

[HALL85]

Third party candidates have been a joke. Yes, there is a lot we can criticize from the leaders of both parties. But there hasn't been a legitimate 3rd party since Teddy Roosevelt and the Bull Moose Party. Perot, Nader, George Wallace? Please. All of them should have never been considered by anyone for President.

The two party system, while imperfect, works. For example, Bernie Sanders is really a third party candidate. However, many of his ideas are now adopted by the Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary. That's how it works in this country.

Ross Perot would have been infinitely better than these two idiots.

 

[SPK145]

Again, back to the original topic, how come there was no outrage when Clinton called Gold Star mother a liar during the debates:

<<< Hillary Clinton said during Wednesday’s debate that the mother of one of the four Americans killed in the Benghazi attacks is “absolutely wrong” when she says that Clinton and other Obama administration officials personally told her that a YouTube video was the catalyst for the Sept. 11, 2012 terrorist attacks.

“She’s wrong. She’s absolutely wrong,” Clinton told debate moderator Jorge Ramos when asked about comments made last year by Patricia Smith, the mother of State Department information officer Sean Smith. >>

Selective outrage, LOL..........

 

[Seton75]

Being wrong is not lying. And that is a pimple on the ass of trumps Kahn reaction.

 

[shu09]

I see it similarly to Merge. I'd prefer to vote third party or not at all, but Trump cannot be president. If it comes down to it, at least Clinton can do the job (despite how slimy she is). Trump cannot.

I gave Trump a chance, I really did. Liked some of what he was talking about in the primaries. That said, the last month or so have made it frighteningly clear to me that he would be a dangerous president.

I don't know much about the third party candidates. I plan to study up on them a bit over the next few weeks.

 

[cernjSHU]

Ross Perot would have been infinitely better than these two idiots.

You must be joking. Remember he quit the race, then got back in. Then he was talking about some Vietnamese hit squad coming after him. The guy was another delusional billionaire.

 

[HALL85]

You must be joking. Remember he quit the race, then got back in. Then he was talking about some Vietnamese hit squad coming after him. The guy was another delusional billionaire.

And even with that it is still no contest. At least Perot had integrity...

 

[Bobbie Solo]

It was clear Trump wasn't fit for ANY public office before he even announced. Since then there have been dozens and dozens of examples. The last month was just icing. He is a birther, or at least pretends to be. That alone is a disqualification. How about Trump University? Scam artist. How about the comments about Megan Kelly, or the reporter in the wheelchair. How about when he wasn't content advocating for torture, so he said we should KILL THE FAMILIES OF TERRORISTS! Come on man. This is a deplorable human being, and has been that way for way longer than a month ago.

 

[Bobbie Solo]

Oh, plus he has absolutely zero substantive policy ideas.

 

[Seton75]

Really????? You are going to compare alcohol to heroin? No such thing as heroin in moderation. Most people drink alcohol and don't abuse it. Yes when people do abuse it, it is devastating. As I stated the abuse of alcohol is devastating as well. But, the two are no the same and not by a long shot.

Cern, we are in agreement.

 

[Seton75]

It was clear Trump wasn't fit for ANY public office before he even announced. Since then there have been dozens and dozens of examples. The last month was just icing. He is a birther, or at least pretends to be. That alone is a disqualification. How about Trump University? Scam artist. How about the comments about Megan Kelly, or the reporter in the wheelchair. How about when he wasn't content advocating for torture, so he said we should KILL THE FAMILIES OF TERRORISTS! Come on man. This is a deplorable human being, and has been that way for way longer than a month ago.

Trump slaps his name on things, paints it gold and ignores it. Trump Shuttle is a perfect example. That so many blue collar support him while dt finds any excuse to stiff his subs is like the union guy supporting the party that would love to ban unions and fought against them from day one.

 

[SPK145]

Oh, plus he has absolutely zero substantive policy ideas.

Plus you forgot the personal slight on Carly Fiorina, that really pissed me off.

 

[Seton75]

Plus you forgot the personal slight on Carly Fiorina, that really pissed me off.

Carly mocked the appearance of a female Pol she was running against in CA. Carly was another nothing.

 

[Bobbie Solo]

Plus you forgot the personal slight on Carly Fiorina, that really pissed me off.

It's almost impossible to remember them all. Yes, those comments were horrible as well. As were the ones about McCain, and Cruz' wife, etc etc etc. How about how he kinda sorta wants to sleep with his daughter? It's neverending with this guy.

 

[Bobbie Solo]

Just curious. Who is Jill Stein from the Green Party? Has she ever done anything in government for you to think that she has any clue on how to govern nevertheless run a country? In my opinion, voting for Jill Stein is a complete waste. She has no ability to run a country and no background for it. At least the Libertarian ticket has people who have actually held a real political office.

I hear you, I do. Jill Stein is not a perfect candidate by any stretch. She's made several odd comments recently that shows she's a little out there...most notably the crap about how wi-fi might hurt children or some shit. BUT, she is almost in lockstep with my political views, as is the Green Party as a whole. The Democratic Party under Hillary is as status quo as it can get. That works for you. It doesn't for me. I think we need fundamental disruptions to the typical approach to our foreign & economic policy.

Furthermore, I don't actually think Jill Stein is going to somehow go from polling at 3% to taking the electoral college. My support for the Green Party is a protest vote, by on the policital side of the fence that I'm actually on. Gary Johnson seems like a great guy & much more sane and realistic about how govern than Ron Paul, but the Libertarian Party still comes out looking like looney tunes to me on a lot of their stances. Yeah, let's just dissolve both DOE's ( believe they wanna get rid of the Dept of Energy in addition to the Dept of Education), the EPA, the Fed & turn back to the gold standard unilaterally regardless of what the rest of the modern economic world is doing. That'll be great for the country! I'd still rather have him as president than Trump or Clinton, but I cannot vote for such a far right party just b/c they align with me on social issues.

And like I said earlier, to get the Green Party to actually have a real chance down the line required a steady, growing presence in every successive election, both from a perception standpoint & also from the very real federal matching funds they (and any third party) can amass if they meet certain thresholds in elections. Only way for that to happen is to vote for them and try to create a movement on the left similar to what my man Bernie just did. Bernie's out, but I'll go with the next best thing.

 

[shupat08]

You can always write in Bernie. Which I may since HRC will win NJ with or without my vote. Stein is out there. She's courting the Anti-Vaxxers now too -- as a DOCTOR.

Don't be surprised if Johnson/Weld come in 1st or 2nd (with Trumpster Fire coming in 3rd) in one possibly more plain/big sky states.

 

[cernjSHU]

I hear you, I do. Jill Stein is not a perfect candidate by any stretch. She's made several odd comments recently that shows she's a little out there...most notably the crap about how wi-fi might hurt children or some shit. BUT, she is almost in lockstep with my political views, as is the Green Party as a whole. The Democratic Party under Hillary is as status quo as it can get. That works for you. It doesn't for me. I think we need fundamental disruptions to the typical approach to our foreign & economic policy.

Furthermore, I don't actually think Jill Stein is going to somehow go from polling at 3% to taking the electoral college. My support for the Green Party is a protest vote, by on the policital side of the fence that I'm actually on. Gary Johnson seems like a great guy & much more sane and realistic about how govern than Ron Paul, but the Libertarian Party still comes out looking like looney tunes to me on a lot of their stances. Yeah, let's just dissolve both DOE's ( believe they wanna get rid of the Dept of Energy in addition to the Dept of Education), the EPA, the Fed & turn back to the gold standard unilaterally regardless of what the rest of the modern economic world is doing. That'll be great for the country! I'd still rather have him as president than Trump or Clinton, but I cannot vote for such a far right party just b/c they align with me on social issues.

And like I said earlier, to get the Green Party to actually have a real chance down the line required a steady, growing presence in every successive election, both from a perception standpoint & also from the very real federal matching funds they (and any third party) can amass if they meet certain thresholds in elections. Only way for that to happen is to vote for them and try to create a movement on the left similar to what my man Bernie just did. Bernie's out, but I'll go with the next best thing.

When I look at third party candidates over the years, I would have always wanted the opposite major party candidate winning the election. The exception would be this year. I would not want Trump winning. I would prefer Gary Johnson over Trump. However, I am not someone to vote for change just for change sake. That is what the Tea Party was about and yet they had no idea how to govern and compromise.

The danger about people crying out for change is that they really don't have any alternatives. Or if they do, it will be worse for the country.

 

[shu09]

Carly mocked the appearance of a female Pol she was running against in CA. Carly was another nothing.

Agreed. Fiorina was the biggest joke in the entire GOP field. Even Trump is a better candidate than her.

 

[PiratePride]

I'm going to vote for Trump. I admit not being terribly excited about voting for Trump and to a degree, my vote is an Anyone But Hillary vote. Long story short, when I put the two of them side by side... the baggage train following Hillary is much larger and more ominous than Trump's.

So.....I WILL vote for bad hair but will NOT vote for a Teflon pant suit. Sad state of affairs.. I know, but there it is. Supreme Court nominees are very important to me. I have more confidence in Trump surrounding himself with strong advisors than I do in Hillary. Look who she brought into her campaign..... Debbie (they didn't boo me) Wasserman Schultz.

I just wish that the media would be more honest. I think a lot of her support is jinned up by the biased media... it is oh so obvious.

 

[cernjSHU]

I'm going to vote for Trump. I admit not being terribly excited about voting for Trump and to a degree, my vote is an Anyone But Hillary vote. Long story short, when I put the two of them side by side... the baggage train following Hillary is much larger and more ominous than Trump's.

So.....I WILL vote for bad hair but will NOT vote for a Teflon pant suit. Sad state of affairs.. I know, but there it is. Supreme Court nominees are very important to me. I have more confidence in Trump surrounding himself with strong advisors than I do in Hillary. Look who she brought into her campaign..... Debbie (they didn't boo me) Wasserman Schultz.

I just wish that the media would be more honest. I think a lot of her support is jinned up by the biased media... it is oh so obvious.

You can vote for whomever you please. But please don't justify your vote by saying the media is biased against Trump. That is just false.

Has the media created the fact that Republicans such as Jeb Bush, John Kasich and Ted Cruz won't vote for him? There are many Republicans that won't vote for Trump and that number will get larger as time goes on. That is not a media creation but a valuation of the candidate himself.

A Reagan Republican just wrote this. http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/07/opinions/reagan-republican-trump-no-clothes-lavin/index.html