Vintage Willard conf road game vs marginal opp
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Typical someone would seize on this when we’re not even on the college basketball map anymore. We’re best described as MJF’s photo in Back To The Future: “Erased, from existence!”.
No, what was really the most noteworthy result in the B1G tonight, in regards to a team not measuring up, was University of Nike, playing at home, getting an absolute effing train run on them by visiting Illinois. I guess that entire school died yesterday after the Rose Bowl, because they sure played like it.
It's good to know Nike can't buy everything. But some people still have Kevin living rent free in their mind.
No, what was really the most noteworthy result in the B1G tonight, in regards to a team not measuring up, was University of Nike, playing at home, getting an absolute effing train run on them by visiting Illinois. I guess that entire school died yesterday after the Rose Bowl, because they sure played like it.
It's good to know Nike can't buy everything. But some people still have Kevin living rent free in their mind.
Not defending Willard but would add flying 3000 miles cross country never easy. More interesting is Ace scored 39 and RU loses at IU. Harper was out but IU’s best player went down two minutes in and never returned.
First off absolutely ridiculous they are in the same conference.
Think of just the wasted time traveling back and forth..
So nice the Hall can take a bus ride to half their conference opponents...
Think of just the wasted time traveling back and forth..
So nice the Hall can take a bus ride to half their conference opponents...
Of course, and without being sarcastic I would also trade for their NIL situation.
Until you realize that Maryland only has a winning record by having a Ken Pom strength of schedule below 360 in non conference play. They will rever to the Willard .500 mark soon
Fine. I'd still take Maryland's season.
Their entire athletic department and alumni constantly complain about their NIL, like every other school
So what’s the point
I'm not sure of the meaning of your post, but Maryland's NIL budget unquestionably dwarfs SHU's budget. With greater purchasing capacity, Sha could bring in higher level recruits and have a chance at a much better season. That is HallDan's point.
ok great..they also constantly complain about their NIL
Also..who do they compete against? Is their NIL more comparable to their peers than ours? I don’t know the answer to that
Would you rather compete with Providence, DePaul, Butler, Xavier NIL or Ohio State Penn State and Michigan? Im not sure
Yes we are atrocious but they would claim they are too..so who is right and who is wrong?
Side note: they also run a real athletics department..meaning their NIL has way more mouths to feed (sans even football) we are barely a Div 1 athletics department…is that to our advantage or it doesn’t matter? Again idk but something to think about
Maybe this starts the swoon? 🤣
Maryland has a lot of good players. They brought in one of the top transfers in guard Ja’Kobi Gillespie and highly-rated NBA-bound freshman big Derik Queen. Either of those players would absolutely carry Seton Hall. Those two shot 1/13 in a 6-point loss on the road. It happens.
Willard scheduled to play the NET. Soft SOS. They’re #17 in the NET, 1-2 Q1, 1-1 Q2. They blew the game against Marquette at home but did notch what should be a quality non-conf win over Villanova, ironically that was at The Rock..
Obviously I don't have any specifics regarding the size of comparative NIL budgets, but I read on this Board that the top recruits / transfers have agents, and that unless our budget exceeded 2 or 3 million, they were not even going to entertain negotiating with SHU.
I don’t think people realize how the NIL landscape has just exploded. Could some of the numbers be over reported…Absolutely. But I don’t think they are far off.
A.J. Dybantsa recent committed to play for BYU at on a reported $7M NIL deal. He is the #1 recruit for the 2025 class and projected #1 pick in the 2026 NBA draft.
There are obviously tiers to all of this, so not every player is in this stratosphere.
What would be an interesting exercise to entertain would be to figure out what tiers the players we brought in this year fell into.
Then assign them their fair market value based on other “reported” NIL deals in CBB.
I believe this would categorize our NIL operating budget somewhere in the $1.5-$2.0m range, which would validate what others have said.
It would also point out to the board that other rosters have 1-2 player that equal this total amount.
When have we ever got top recruits? And when has Maryland ever had top recruits
And you didn’t answer any other points
Again I agree we are an atrocious NIL school but Maryland basically claims the same…so who is to say
I’ll add this in..early in NIL process (via the trove) it seemed that Sha was WAY off on values or players or what people would get which also hurt us..does he deserve blame for that? I’m not sure but isn’t it his job to understand the market?
Yes, him and his staff need to know what the market is and be targeted in their approach.
But even the CBS sports’ coaches poll on NIL over the summer revealed that agents and players demands were all over the map.
Player’s agents, who were representing guys who were 5 ppg type guys, asking for 400k+ in NIL money. Some coaches cringed, some laughed, but how many of these guys are getting paid.
How is he supposed to know all these numbers as the money keeps pouring in from different sources driving up prices?
We are all annoyed about the lack of transparency because we are used to professional sports contracts and salary caps.
It would do Seton Hall or any other school no favors for disclosing publicly what their budget is or what specific players are getting paid.
Honestly have no idea what any of these numbers are outside of the rumors posted on social media and on the board.
I believe the number was somewhere around $500k from what I read previously.
Are you saying Sha didn’t retain Tyrese for other reasons besides money? And that our offer was equal to what Florida was providing?
Wasn’t the number posted on the trove and said that Sha felt that it wasn’t worth the number
You don’t think at 2+ mil/year he should be able to feel the market?
The two coaches I talked too know it..that’s why when I was a trove member and Samuel’s number was thrown out I said that was real light for him…how do you think I knew that? Coaches told me that
What about in the early NIL days when he recruited all these top guys and than was “caught off guard” by their numbers and we wasted valuable recruiting time
I mentioned that in real time as a concern…can he not read a room?
Someone mentioned revisionist history and seems like there is a lot both ways going on here
He came into the job directly after the successful tournament run at St. Peter’s. (Late March)
He then embarked on his PR tour doing interviews and appearances, such as throwing the first ball out at ballgames. All things that I believe were required to capitalize on more positive media exposure for him and the program.
His experience in dealing with the new landscape of NIL was limited to what he saw at St. Peter’s. So maybe he believed stepping up to the BE and high D1 allowed him to go after larger targets. Instead he was hit with a dose of reality and was left scrambling in April during his first recruiting cycle.
Here is where I believe the institution failed him. Lyons / Felt, whoever was overseeing things while Willard was here, should have had some insight to initially guide him as to what players were realistic financial targets at Seton Hall. Or they should have afforded him the money for top level assistants that had that knowledge also.
In hindsight, if he was scrambling and working off of a restricted budget, the Davis brothers, KC, Dawes, and Femi were not a horrible collection of players to bring in.
Year 2 and Year 3 I didn’t hear about him striking out that much. What I heard was the Hall didn’t have the funds to compete. We brought in Bediako, EHE, DAW and Coleman last year. And then the collection of reaches and misses this year.
I don’t have a solution yet, but I am curious as to what you would have recommended he done differently this year or the year prior.
Please provide examples of players he should have specifically targeted and with your inside knowledge what they would have approximately cost the NIL budget.
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No… as I explained above, I think he was late to the party after being hired and was smacked in the face with a dose of reality as to what he was dealing with.
Years 2 and 3 I believe he has worked with the limited resources he has been afforded.
Year 2 he had the luxury of knowing that Davis, Richmond, and Dawes wouldn’t go due to the fear of sitting out a year and what he added was marginal at best and got really lucky with Bediako and no injuries.
Year 3, he had to rebuild / retain the entire roster with no more than $2m. Instead of putting all his eggs in the basket of 2-3 guys he went for a more balanced approach and he didn’t get any Bediako luck this time around. So absolutely a failure on his part.
My personal opinion is that you can’t win with just 2-3 above average guys in the BE and a bunch of non high D1 filler pieces.
So you can say it’s not your job all you want, but I think the program and Sha are in between a rock and a hard place.
If the old transfer rules were in place, I believe Sha could bring in a group like this year, keep 3-4 guys that are his guys, cut the dead weight, and try and add to it again next year. With no restrictions on transfers, I think he is set up to fail, heck I think any coach would be.
Lastly, as we have already seen. Having the money is no guarantee for success, but I think it’s a pretty big prerequisite.
Didn’t he get a “late start” because he negotiated every cent for himself? And you’re saying he took a job (where he was already an assistant at for years) and didn’t know the resource situation? That is weird
Hey I hope you’re right…
NIL first became legal in CA back in September of 2019.
His last year as an assistant with Seton Hall was the 2017-2018 season.
How was he supposed to know exactly where Seton Hall stood in the competitive NIL landscape from when he was an assistant and NIL didn’t exist?
So you’re going to ignore the other points that’s fair…
You’re really saying he wouldn’t have any idea that seton hall would be behind in resources of ANY kind? Ok so he wasn’t around for NIL we have always been barebones operations he didn’t know that
I don’t know about that
But again you’re the superfan and you’re right..he got railroaded..i hope we turn it around
You are insufferable. You just make stuff up and never answer any of the questions asked in a reasonable back and forth conversation.
But sure, I’ll continue to play along for one last post.
Of course he knew they were behind in resources. But while he coached at Seton Hall and while Willard had success towards the end of his tenure you could recruit a Powell, Desi, Sandro, Rhoden etc etc and watch them develop into all conference players. Why because by the time they are ready to significantly contribute as the main guy(s) as juniors they weren’t going to transfer and sit out. We will never see a player like that in our program again because of NIL and transfer rule.
I know others say NEVER is harsh. But the $$$ differential is so extreme that being “developed” is not worth giving up their limited earning window in CBB.
Everyone is saying that it is a pipe dream to keep a player like Isaiah Coleman at this point, unless you give him a ton of your NIL money. How the heck can Sha compete in that environment? And NO it was not like that before. Coleman wouldn’t want to transfer and sit out when he is ready to be a major player next year.
And don’t bother responding to me directly anymore. I will be blocking you as a poster because you have made this board unreadable with the garbage you bring to every conversation.
Continue to shill for your old buddy, maybe he will invite you for a glass of wine at the 19th hole.
Here’s a few things that are could be immediate fixes towards taking steps in a positive direction, but at the end of the day nothing matters without a $5Mil NIL salary cap moving forward…
1. Not play in the NIT. This took significant time and resources away from focusing on recruiting, fundraising, etc.
2. Sha has a history of getting burnt at the 11th hour in recruiting- Briscoe, Duval, Anderson, Tyrese leaving, etc. why would this time be any different with Kadary? There’s no way he really thought Kadary would come back. We were a month into the portal season before Kadary made a decision. That’s a month of players with potentially budget friendly deals that could have been signed before the supply shock hit and we were left point guard less.
3. The $ issue is not his fault, but he’s also not doing anything to help the cause. Lyons mostly and then Felt should be held responsible for setting the school so far behind. They collectively have a million dollar salary that is seemingly a waste
4. After last season Sha needed to revamp the staff. Geniuenly believe that a stronger personality on the beach in a mentor roll would provide significant value to sha. Having this type of figure, in my opinion, prevents some of these horrific losses where Sha gets too emotionally involved in the game and his player management and rotations go to hell
Can't be too bad. They just signed for their current roster one of the best 5 star players in the country, 6' 10", 246 lbs Derik Queen.
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Talk to them not me..I don’t know what to tell youCan't be too bad. They just signed for their current roster one of the best 5 star players in the country, 6' 10", 246 lbs Derik Queen.
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I spoke with Larranega directly in June and when they were at MSG..both times he complained about their “war chest” in comparison to their peers
My point is not we are fine..we are atrocious,,my point has always been basically every school complains about their NIL
Also no one has answered me…does it benefit us at all that we don’t even run a real high level d-1 athletics department…would that benefit us? We really only have 1 mouth to feed that needs about 6-8 players to compete
And look who we've signed--oops, NOBODY (but we have a verbal for what that's worth)Can't be too bad. They just signed for their current roster one of the best 5 star players in the country, 6' 10", 246 lbs Derik Queen.
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