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What so many of you forget when you bring up the guards we had in the past whether it is Sha, Morton etc. is that today's game is different and the style of play is to take and make MORE 3 point shots to be successful! If you can't make 3's then you need to be very strong in the low post to compete! I really don't see us recruiting the players to be really dominate in the low post. The money is simply not there. So if we are not getting kids for the back court that can make 3 pointers and at least one forward who can we are in deep trouble going forward.

I hope I am wrong but until I see all the new players I am concerned with the future of the program.
But, Sha and Morton dramatically improved their 3 pt shot. And that can still happen today regardless of the NIL cost. It isnt a given, but skills can improve.

fwiw, I am concerned for the future of the program and will be concerned regardless of how good the new players may look.
 
Michigan State was a poor shooting team that didn't have a great low post presence. When they played Ole Miss in the Sweet 16 I don't think they hit one outside shot the entire 2nd half & still wound up winning. Legendary coach, great slashing guards & phenomenal FT shooting. It can be done. You just can't suck at every aspect of the game like we did this past year.
 
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What so many of you forget when you bring up the guards we had in the past whether it is Sha, Morton etc. is that today's game is different and the style of play is to take and make MORE 3 point shots to be successful! If you can't make 3's then you need to be very strong in the low post to compete! I really don't see us recruiting the players to be really dominate in the low post. The money is simply not there. So if we are not getting kids for the back court that can make 3 pointers and at least one forward who can we are in deep trouble going forward.

I hope I am wrong but until I see all the new players I am concerned with the future of the program.
I am not sure I agree your suggestion that if a guard can shoot threes they better be able to post up. I think small fast guard who can penetrate and finish and is a great passer can still be successful.
 
Michigan State was a poor shooting team that didn't have a great low post presence. When they played Ole Miss in the Sweet 16 I don't think they hit one outside shot the entire 2nd half & still wound up winning. Legendary coach, great slashing guards & phenomenal FT shooting. It can be done. You just can't suck at every aspect of the game like we did this past year.
There are guidelines that make sense to follow, but no rules on how to make a good team. And good chemistry on the court can still overcome lots of issues in basketball.
 
Michigan State was a poor shooting team that didn't have a great low post presence. When they played Ole Miss in the Sweet 16 I don't think they hit one outside shot the entire 2nd half & still wound up winning. Legendary coach, great slashing guards & phenomenal FT shooting. It can be done. You just can't suck at every aspect of the game like we did this past year.
Of course it can be done. And we should be spending a good chunk of that legendary $5M on two shooters.
 
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I am not sure I agree your suggestion that if a guard can shoot threes they better be able to post up. I think small fast guard who can penetrate and finish and is a great passer can still be successful.
Weve had small pg for a long time b4 willsrd came and recruited bigger pg. Our small wuick pgs did very well here. Shaheen, dre, harvey, theodore, cope etc
 
Hard to evaluate whether Clark is a good or bad recruit until the rest of the roster gets filled out. Definitely a mixed bag of some pros and cons. But with a PG it really is about the rest of the cast.
 
Hard to evaluate whether Clark is a good or bad recruit until the rest of the roster gets filled out. Definitely a mixed bag of some pros and cons. But with a PG it really is about the rest of the cast.
Agreed, but someone like him would've even made this year's motley crew quite a bit better and effective overall.
 
That's close to the stats for John Morton. He shot 14%, 29% and then 41.8% his senior year.
Not a guard, but Ish Sanogo may be another. Went from 0% as a Freshman and sophomore to 33% as a junior to 46% as a senior.

Had to look at that twice. 46% is nuts.
 
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Michigan State was a poor shooting team that didn't have a great low post presence. When they played Ole Miss in the Sweet 16 I don't think they hit one outside shot the entire 2nd half & still wound up winning. Legendary coach, great slashing guards & phenomenal FT shooting. It can be done. You just can't suck at every aspect of the game like we did this past year.
Absolutely. Plenty of ways to win games. You have teams that couldn't make 3s this year have awesome seasons. Teams that didn't have a true low post threat you could throw it to. Teams that simply tried to "outscore" you most of the time and kill you with pace. On and on.
 
Michigan State was a poor shooting team that didn't have a great low post presence. When they played Ole Miss in the Sweet 16 I don't think they hit one outside shot the entire 2nd half & still wound up winning. Legendary coach, great slashing guards & phenomenal FT shooting. It can be done. You just can't suck at every aspect of the game like we did this past year.
Lets see no low post presence you say? Zappla 7'0", Cooper 6'11" and Kohler 6'9". Between the 3 of them they average 17 rebounds and 16 plus points game. Gosh that sure sounds like a low post presence to me!
 
I am not sure I agree your suggestion that if a guard can shoot threes they better be able to post up. I think small fast guard who can penetrate and finish and is a great passer can still be successful.
You got support for your post but you and your supporters forget when he plays in the BE he will be facing bigger front court players so you all thinking he is going to drive to the basket and finish is foolish. Even kids who go 6' 4" have trouble finishing let alone someone barely 5'10". Good luck with that idea. Drive and dish to someone else to finish or kick it out for a 3 is the idea. But we don't have anyone yet to shoot the 3 or finish down low.
 
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Lets see no low post presence you say? Zappla 7'0", Cooper 6'11" and Kohler 6'9". Between the 3 of them they average 17 rebounds and 16 plus points game. Gosh that sure sounds like a low post presence to me!

Low post presence & having good offensive rebounding centers is not the same thing. The only times those guys scored was on lobs or put backs.
 
You got support for your post but you and your supporters forget when he plays in the BE he will be facing bigger front court players so you all thinking he is going to drive to the basket and finish is foolish. Even kids who go 6' 4" have trouble finishing let alone someone barely 5'10". Good luck with that idea. Drive and dish to someone else to finish or kick it out for a 3 is the idea. But we don't have anyone yet to shoot the 3 or finish down low.
Kid’s a bucket getter and can create his own shot. He can penetrate and beat his man off the dribble. That alone is more than what we had last year.

He got to the free throw line 4.5 times a game to boot and certainly seemed to draw enough attention to hand out a decent number of assists a game.

Can he do it by himself? Of course not. He could use a couple guys that can get themselves open.

But he’s the kind of point guard I like having.
 
But, Sha and Morton dramatically improved their 3 pt shot. And that can still happen today regardless of the NIL cost. It isnt a given, but skills can improve.

fwiw, I am concerned for the future of the program and will be concerned regardless of how good the new players may look.
how long did it take them? can players improve their skills when they jump teams every year
 
Meanwhile UConn picked up a 6'5" point guard who shot 39% from 3. Danny knows how to rebuild.
Highly sought after kid for good reason.

Xavian Lee just entered the portal. Another PG option they will have suitors
 
If you think we can't compete with UConn then we should leave the BE. Our goal should be to compete with UConn and be a top BE team. If we can't do that then we should leave and not be a doormat.
Not what I said. Demary is the 7th highest ranked player in the portal. Seton Hall never could and still can’t compete for that level of player. Take a deep breath over there.
 
If you think we can't compete with UConn then we should leave the BE. Our goal should be to compete with UConn and be a top BE team. If we can't do that then we should leave and not be a doormat.
Given the results of our head to head matchups in Newark every year, I don't think anyone believes that, painful as it is to admit.
 
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You are trying to be kind. I get it. But the BE standings every year say otherwise. And how many times we go to the big dance and how many times UConn goes.
 
Not what I said. Demary is the 7th highest ranked player in the portal. Seton Hall never could and still can’t compete for that level of player. Take a deep breath over there.
Why not? We’ve been told we have $5 million and we’ve also been told the only thing that matters to players is the paycheck, nothing else…
 
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Why not? We’ve been told we have $5 million and we’ve also been told the only thing that matters to players is the paycheck, nothing else…
Because schools will spend double or triple or dare I say more? Like many have said here, the bar has been raised. Our NIL stinks so while we may be on a more even playing field with revenue sharing, our NIL stinks. Therein lies the difference. Simple economics.
 
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Michigan State was a poor shooting team that didn't have a great low post presence. When they played Ole Miss in the Sweet 16 I don't think they hit one outside shot the entire 2nd half & still wound up winning. Legendary coach, great slashing guards & phenomenal FT shooting. It can be done. You just can't suck at every aspect of the game like we did this past year.
Phenomenal FT shooting - a SH trait. 😂
 
how long did it take them? can players improve their skills when they jump teams every year
Like Morton did (and my 5 kids did), you practice every day (for hours) on the areas your weakest, whether it be FT ‘s, 3’s, dribbling and you hit the weight room. Amazing the change you will see if you put in the time!
 
You are trying to be kind. I get it. But the BE standings every year say otherwise. And how many times we go to the big dance and how many times UConn goes.
We split every year. I'm not gonna lie. It's annoying as all heck, especially especially this year when you weren't a very good team against anyone else. But the record is the record, annoying as it can be annually.

And it is.
 
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We split every year. I'm not gonna lie. It's annoying as all heck, especially especially this year when you weren't a very good team against anyone else. But the record is the record, annoying as it can be annually.

And it is.
Sometimes teams play down to the competition and the SHU team is up for an upset. It happens all the time all over hoops. No question UConn should not have lost any of the games to SHU given the desperate talent levels. Upsets happen.
 
Should be called a semi pro and businessman. Students attend class and pay tuition and don't get NIL money for doing that.
i got paid while i was in college for things i did outside of class. and the people i worked for made a helluva lot less off my efforts than the money that is generated by college basketball.

as i remember it, our gpas recently have been very good.
 
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