Where will it end?

[Merge]

Is Trump for 4 more years better than someone like Stacy Abrams or Kamala Harris for 2-3 years?

No. 4 more years of Trump would be far worse than anything the democrats would do.
The only thing holding him back is that he needed to run again for 2020.

Give Biden 4 years. If he moves too far left, it will give republicans an opportunity to move towards the center and attract moderate dems for 2024.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

No. 4 more years of Trump would be far worse than anything the democrats would do.
The only thing holding him back is that he needed to run again for 2020.

Give Biden 4 years. If he moves too far left, it will give republicans an opportunity to move towards the center and attract moderate dems for 2024.

Typical dem....GIVE Biden. How about Biden EARNS 4 years by coming out and talking about what his plan is? How about the 2 men debate?

Just curious what areas will Biden be better than Trump other than raising the Biden family net worth? Being tough on China? Economics? Religious freedom? Race relations? You ain't black if you don't vote for me. He's every bit the gem Trump is.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

I don't think Biden will cave to the radical left, but you never know. If you're in the middle like me, you have to weigh the risk. Can the country handle four more years of Trump? If you think so, is it worth the divisiveness that will surely get worse but on the positive end, prevent the radical left from taking over the country?

If you believe Biden will be what he always was and not cave to the radicals dragging his party to the far left, I think the vote has to be for him. If not, you have to take the bad with the good from Trump as him staying in office prevents this fundamental change that will destroy the country.

He released plans yesterday that are straight out of commie heaven. A Trump defeat will spell the beginning of a radically different America.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

The question is not will Biden cave to the left. Will his VP cave to the left. I don't see Biden lasting 4 years. Is Trump for 4 more years better than someone like Stacy Abrams or Kamala Harris for 2-3 years? Also if Trump wins how far will the left and the MSM go to destroy things.

Stacey Abrams who had tons if credit card debt is going to know what's best for our country? She isn't qualified to be dog catcher.

 

[SPK145]

Stacey Abrams who had tons if credit card debt is going to know what's best for our country? She isn't qualified to be dog catcher.

Why would you insult dog catchers like that?

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Why would you insult dog catchers like that?

Good point, my apologies. I don't know what she's qualified for, besides playing the racist card. It is so sad to me this is one of the leaders for black people in our country. They deserve better.

 

[Merge]

Stacey Abrams who had tons if credit card debt is going to know what's best for our country? She isn't qualified to be dog catcher.

If you don't like debt, I have bad news about who you are voting for for president.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

If you don't like debt, I have bad news about who you are voting for for president.

I will only vote for Trump because the forces pulling the strings on Biden are radical. It makes me very sad at where this country is headed. The days of people lifting up their families with hard work may be ending. Trump is a narcissist but I don't question his love for this country.

 

[Merge]

I will only vote for Trump because the forces pulling the strings on Biden are radical. It makes me very sad at where this country is headed. The days of people lifting up their families with hard work may be ending. Trump is a narcissist but I don't question his love for this country.

He has no love for this country. The only thing he loves is himself.
If he loved this country, he would try to unify it.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

He has no love for this country. The only thing he loves is himself.
If he loved this country, he would try to unify it.

He did. It's been a constant barrage of the media crushing him, they have driven a wedge in this country. They called anyone who voted for him racist! I voted for him because he promised to bring jobs back, and I woukd say he was successful before covid. I want to see my fellow American working, not collecting off the government.

Media controversies -
Russian collusion
Ukraine
Children in cages
Brett Kavanaugh
Race relations

Please let me know why did Trump enact prison reform but Obama/Biden did not?

Trump obviously cannot let anything go, but has the media given him a fair shake?

Trump calls for peace and an End to riots. The media calls it a dog whistlem

 

[shu09]

He released plans yesterday that are straight out of commie heaven. A Trump defeat will spell the beginning of a radically different America.

I saw something about "investors don't need me." As someone who invests but is not among the uber wealthy that he is presumably talking about, this concerns me. People should be encouraged to invest. That's how you build long term wealth. Instead, Americans spend everything they make and more, leading to crushing debt. Really comes down to financial education. Instead, the typical American wants to outdo his or her neighbor by buying expensive homes and cars, not realizing that saving and investing is the best way to prosperity.

I want the stock market to do well. When it does well, everyone does well.

 

[Merge]

I saw something about "investors don't need me." As someone who invests but is not among the uber wealthy that he is presumably talking about, this concerns me. People should be encouraged to invest. That's how you build long term wealth.

He wasn't discouraging investment. Just saying he is focusing on working families.

“If I am fortunate enough to be elected president, I’ll be laser-focused on working families, the middle-class families I came from here in Scranton. Not the wealthy investor class. They don’t need me.”

I want the stock market to do well. When it does well, everyone does well.

If citizens are doing well, is the market doing well?
Yes
If the market is doing well, are citizens doing well?
Maybe.

Ignore the market and encourage policies that help the working class. The market will do quite well.

 

[shu09]

Why doesn't the working class invest? I'm in the working/middle class. I invest because it's the smart thing to do for your future.

 

[Merge]

Why doesn't the working class invest? I'm in the working/middle class. I invest because it's the smart thing to do for your future.

No one said they don't or shouldn't.

Why don't they in general? I think a lack of education overall.
I think that trend is changing especially with apps like Acorns, stash or Robinhood where they make it really simple and are attracting younger people to start investing.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

No one said they don't or shouldn't.

Why don't they in general? I think a lack of education overall.
I think that trend is changing especially with apps like Acorns, stash or Robinhood where they make it really simple and are attracting younger people to start investing.

Lack of overall education in a country where families go into debt for education. What are we educating people in? Great to know Columbus had slaves, but that's not putting food on anyone's table.

 

[thehall07]

No one said they don't or shouldn't.

Why don't they in general? I think a lack of education overall.
I think that trend is changing especially with apps like Acorns, stash or Robinhood where they make it really simple and are attracting younger people to start investing.

Financial education is the number 1 thing that needs to change in this country. Followed by the push to send every kid to college even if it is not the correct choice for them.

 

[Merge]

Lack of overall education in a country where families go into debt for education. What are we educating people in? Great to know Columbus had slaves, but that's not putting food on anyone's table

Majority of this country doesn't go to college though.
Banking / investing should be a part of a high school education.

 

[thehall07]

Majority of this country doesn't go to college though.
Banking / investing should be a part of a high school education.

Also how credit cards work lol

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

No. 4 more years of Trump would be far worse than anything the democrats would do.
The only thing holding him back is that he needed to run again for 2020.

Give Biden 4 years. If he moves too far left, it will give republicans an opportunity to move towards the center and attract moderate dems for 2024.

Give Biden four years and we’ll be a socialist country.

 

[shu09]

Financial education is the number 1 thing that needs to change in this country. Followed by the push to send every kid to college even if it is not the correct choice for them.

This is on my list as well, along with the end of lobbyists and term limits for all politicians at every level of government (among other things).

 

[Merge]

Give Biden four years and we’ll be a socialist country.

 

[dehere23]

No one said they don't or shouldn't.

Why don't they in general? I think a lack of education overall.
I think that trend is changing especially with apps like Acorns, stash or Robinhood where they make it really simple and are attracting younger people to start investing.

I have to think a significant portion of the working class does invest via 401k or 403 accounts. For many that is easily the largest investment and retirement net they have besides perhaps real estate. And the Trump stock market has been a boon to all those folks retirement accounts.

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

Gee, what a great argument!

 

[dehere23]

Financial education is the number 1 thing that needs to change in this country. Followed by the push to send every kid to college even if it is not the correct choice for them.

Financial education for sure and education through HS in general. I don’t think college is for everyone and cost plays a huge role there. But you can absolutely have financial literacy be part of HS curriculum on a very basic level and cost effective programs for those who forgoe college for a trade or other type of business

 

[Merge]

I have to think a significant portion of the working class does invest via 401k or 403 accounts. For many that is easily the largest investment and retirement net they have besides perhaps real estate. And the Trump stock market has been a boon to all those folks retirement accounts.

Sure. People should invest in general.

1st term of Obama, results were pretty similar at this point of their term.

 

[Merge]

Gee, what a great argument!

Nah. No point arguing with someone who thinks a politician of 40 years+ without a hint of socialism will turn us into a socialist country.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Nah. No point arguing with someone who thinks a politician of 40 years+ without a hint of socialism will turn us into a socialist country.

40 years of building up the China economy without a hint of buying American, hire American.

 

[becktheory]

40 years of building up the China economy without a hint of buying American, hire American.

All feelings and no facts. Trade balance with China in May of 2013 was less then it was in May of 2020. All the populist did was increase prices for Americans and then subsidized farmers (socialism). What happened to the free market? Trump is subsidizing is favored industries left and right.

 

[cernjSHU]

Give Biden four years and we’ll be a socialist country.

Trump has been an unmitigated disaster. Period nothing else to say. I would vote for anyone besides him. Any effort to paint Biden as far left or as a socialist is a pure unadulterated lie.

Biden has always been a moderate and always will be a moderate. The left wing of the party is actually very anti-Biden as he will not go as far as they would like. What Biden brings to the White House is normalcy. He brings back the US as a leader in the world.

We are living in a very combustable world. I don't think you would ever see the campaign manager for a Republican Presidential Candidate ever come out and support a Democratic candidate. But Steve Schmidt who was McCain's campaign manager is doing just that as well many other Former republican leaders.
Biden wasn't discouraging investing. He was saying that the wealthy don't need Trump Tax. They are already wealthy and don’t need the help. And he is exactly right. In years where the market has had big growth and a time of record corporate earnings, somehow the country’s debt went higher by $3 trillion before CoVid. That’s one hell of a businessman. Yup looks like he is doing to country what he did to his casinos.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

All feelings and no facts

Why would anyone use facts. “We choose truth over facts.” Any insight on the trade deficit with China when Joe started vs when Joe finished as VP. Now I know it’s going to look bad. At the same time, does Joe have a record of standing up against this issue? Maybe he fought against it but was shot down. Let me know what you find. Honestly people may think AOC is crazy but at least she has a record of fighting. Joe never fought against this issue.

 

[TomD82]

I am no Trump fan, but if anybody thinks any president particularly democratic stood up to China for the last 40 years you are crazy. Trump has been trying to get companies to move supply chains out of China. Where does anyone think PPE, active pharmaceutical ingredients and ventilators are manufactured?

https://www.americanmanufacturing.o...uring-job-loss-to-china-swells-to-3.7-million

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

Trump has been an unmitigated disaster. Period nothing else to say. I would vote for anyone besides him. Any effort to paint Biden as far left or as a socialist is a pure unadulterated lie.

Biden has always been a moderate and always will be a moderate. The left wing of the party is actually very anti-Biden as he will not go as far as they would like. What Biden brings to the White House is normalcy. He brings back the US as a leader in the world.

We are living in a very combustable world. I don't think you would ever see the campaign manager for a Republican Presidential Candidate ever come out and support a Democratic candidate. But Steve Schmidt who was McCain's campaign manager is doing just that as well many other Former republican leaders.
Biden wasn't discouraging investing. He was saying that the wealthy don't need Trump Tax. They are already wealthy and don’t need the help. And he is exactly right. In years where the market has had big growth and a time of record corporate earnings, somehow the country’s debt went higher by $3 trillion before CoVid. That’s one hell of a businessman. Yup looks like he is doing to country what he did to his casinos.

What flavor is the Kool-Aid you’re drinking and what are you spiking it with?

 

[Merge]

What flavor is the Kool-Aid you’re drinking and what are you spiking it with?

What flavor do recommend? red? or is orange better now?

 

[HALL85]

What flavor do recommend? red? or is orange better now?

Does TDS come in a flavor?

 

[Merge]

Does TDS come in a flavor?

Yes. It is Orange, and it makes you think everything Trump does is normal or should be blamed on someone elss.

 

[SPK145]

In years where the market has had big growth and a time of record corporate earnings, somehow the country’s debt went higher by $3 trillion before CoVid. That’s one hell of a businessman.

Well since tax revenue is still up even/because of the tax cuts, we know the deficit is a result of spending. Abhorrent spending. Everyone is against deficit spending. Until their own group does it.

 

[SPK145]

All feelings and no facts. Trade balance with China in May of 2013 was less then it was in May of 2020.

Well, that's just flat out wrong. Facts, LOL!!!

And lets look at the history of the trade imbalance with China since 2009:

2009 = -226877
2010 = -273041, 20.3% change
2011 = -295250, 8.1% change
2012 = -315103, 6.7% change
2013 = -318684, 1.1% change
2014 = -344818, 8.2% change
2015 = -367328, 6.5% change
2016 = -346825, -5.6% change
2017 = -375167, 8.2% change
2018 = -418954, 11.7% change
2019 = -345204, -17.6% change
2020 (est) = -247968, -28.2% change

2020 is obviously influenced by the Chinese Virus.

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html

 

[Merge]

Well since tax revenue is still up even/because of the tax cuts,

That is just not true. Tax revenue would have been significantly higher without the tax cut.

Under normal circumstances, revenue grows around 5% a year.
Since the tax cut, we have had a strong economic growth where we would normally see revenues increase closer to 10% but it was flat in 2018 and up 4% in 2019.
2020 is obviously going to be a disaster.

 

[SPK145]

That is just not true. Tax revenue would have been significantly higher without the tax cut.

Under normal circumstances, revenue grows around 5% a year.
Since the tax cut, we have had a strong economic growth where we would normally see revenues increase closer to 10% but it was flat in 2018 and up 4% in 2019.
2020 is obviously going to be a disaster.

Tax change was not in effect for the 2018 tax year.

Tax Revenue in Trillions and GDP growth:

2013 = $2.77 trillion
2014 = $3.02 trillion, 9% tax revenue change, 2.5% GDP growth
2015 = $3.25 trillion, 7.6% tax revenue change, 2.9% GDP growth
2016 = $3.27 trillion, 0.6% tax revenue change, 1.6% GDP growth
2017 = $3.32 trillion, 1.5% tax revenue change, 2.4% GDP growth
2018 = $3.33 trillion, 0.3% tax revenue change, 2.9% GDP growth
2019 = $3.46 trillion, 3.9% tax revenue change, 2.3% GDP growth

https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

 

[Merge]

Tax change was not in effect for the 2018 tax year.

Tax Revenue in Trillions and GDP growth:

2013 = $2.77 trillion
2014 = $3.02 trillion, 9% tax revenue change, 2.5% GDP growth
2015 = $3.25 trillion, 7.6% tax revenue change, 2.9% GDP growth
2016 = $3.27 trillion, 0.6% tax revenue change, 1.6% GDP growth
2017 = $3.32 trillion, 1.5% tax revenue change, 2.4% GDP growth
2018 = $3.33 trillion, 0.3% tax revenue change, 2.9% GDP growth
2019 = $3.46 trillion, 3.9% tax revenue change, 2.3% GDP growth

https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

2018 was impacted, just not the first quarter and 2017 tax filings in 2018.

2019 our economy was strong. It’s just not accurate to say the revenue was up because of the tax cut.

Other years with a strong economy, our revenue would have been increasing at least 5% but historically has been closer to 10%.