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I agree with the poster that said either Bernie or Biden would be mopping the floor with Trump.

Agree, and from my view just right of center, just about ANY Republican (except maybe Ted Cruz) would be wiping the floor with Hillary, at this point.

I "like" Bernie too, but it's pie-in-the-sky idealism. He had no idea on foreign policy, he just wants to make sure that the guy ringing up your McRib makes the same as the guy breaking his back unloading trucks, or almost as much as the new college grad working for peanuts. Oh, and free college. Meanwhile, he's made millions and has a very comfortable, privileged lifestyle for his years of "public service."

We, the people, have only ourselves to blame for not using the vote as a tool for sending a message to our elected representatives (in many cases, "you're outta there") when they do not represent the constituency that put them in office. They have effectively divided us along issues that we could argue all day about and never come to any understanding -- so we blindly vote for the side that resembles our narrow "world" view.

Now, the vote is a weapon -- to stack the deck against Obama, or to deal the "death blow" to the Republican party, by voting Hillary and Democrat straight down the line. All because you're pro-abortion, or pro gay-marriage (both of which are fairly well settled, on a federal level)? Nevermind that we have a huge trade deficit, a mess in the Middle East, a re-loaded Russia pointing missiles at our allies, and at home: terrible minority-law enforcement relations, collapsing infrastructure; homeless, hungry, and mentally ill on the streets or in horrid conditions miles from where we live. Oh, and weapons -- we have individuals and groups armed to the teeth that would be the envy of any militia in history.

Very few reasonable people are happy with the choices in this election, which is historically bad. Can we learn the obvious lessons of why we made it to this point, or do we dig our heels in further, blame the other party, and continue to make millionaires and celebrities of our elected legislators?
 
I never thought Bernie would break beyond his rabid base. Like Donnie says, too pie in the sky.
 
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I never thought Bernie would break beyond his rabid base. Like Donnie says, too pie in the sky.

Pie in the sky describes pretty much every single promise from a politician over the course of my lifetime. Sure, Bernie was idealistic and would likely not be able to achieve the majority of what he wanted, but moving us towards the types of programs he wanted would be been sufficient.
 
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Let's face it; just about any candidate on either side would have posted insanely better numbers on trust and honesty vs. Clinton and leadership qualities vs. Trump. Bernie may very well have won the nomination if the DNC was actually impartial. Agree with donnie...the Dem field (with the exception of Lincoln Chaffee) vs Trump would win and the Rep field (with the exception of maybe Cruz and Christie) would also win.

There was an interesting stat on CBS last night. Clintons trust and honesty numbers are in the tank.. much worse than Trump. Trumps leadership acumen numbers are dreadful...much worse than Clinton. What is more important to voters?
 
Bernie's make millions from public service ? What do you base that on ???

Tom K
Tom, repubs love kind of talk, unless talking about a guy like Cheney, collecting a govt paycheck his while like till he exploits his contacts for the CEO job at Halliburton so they can get as much money as possible to fight these stupid wars.

One idea Trump spoke of that is terrific is not allowing congressman and Senators to leave and immediately become a K Street whore.

And btw, I hear Bernie is even having sex with the person who does his taxes!
 
Cheney is a low-life scum and his dealings with Halliburton are exactly why we can't let this kind of quid pro quo/pay to play continue with the Clinton Foundation and Sec of State. The dealings were just too close and where there is smoke there is usually fire with the Clintons. And if you don't think someone is taking good care of Bernie for how much he is helping the campaign that unfairly beat him then I have a bridge and a traffic study to sell you.

I would love it if they had term limits (no more than 3 terms) and did not allow politicians to become or be affiliated with lobbying. I kept hoping somehow there would be a gas leak at the last debate and we would be able to start this process again but it didn't happen.
 
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Cheney is a low-life scum and his dealings with Halliburton are exactly why we can't let this kind of quid pro quo/pay to play continue with the Clinton Foundation and Sec of State. The dealings were just too close and where there is smoke there is usually fire with the Clintons. And if you don't think someone is taking good care of Bernie for how much he is helping the campaign that unfairly beat him then I have a bridge and a traffic study to sell you.

I would love it if they had term limits (no more than 3 terms) and did not allow politicians to become or be affiliated with lobbying. I kept hoping somehow there would be a gas leak at the last debate and we would be able to start this process again but it didn't happen.

Comparing a company that profits over war to the Clinton Fondation who helps millions of people is complete and utter nonsense. And term limits is another stupid idea tossed around by people who will never be satisfied because all they like to do is complain. There are not many fantastic statements and you want to limit their effectiveness and opportunity to three terms? Makes no sense. There is a power to vote and if you are un happy, you vote them out. People think government is simplistic but it is very complicated and you need experience and intelligence to make it work right. Simplistic ideas are may sound nice but they rarely have value.
 
Cern, the mass, intrinsic corruption & crony capitalism that is now seen as routine by the public is in part due to these clowns becoming lifelong politicians. Term limits doesn't just solve the problem, but it def. would help a bit. It would mean that no politician could be seen as a "sure thing" long term by big money donors. I see absolutely no problem with it. Seems to work just fine with governors and presidents.

That being said, that moronic pig Trump can say whatever he wants, there is zero movement on this issue from any part of the federal legislature & that won't change even if he somehow wins on Tuesday. He really just says it to rile up his crowds bc it's red meat.
 
Comey just released a statement that there is nothing new here after reviewing all the emails.
 
Thus, the reason the FBI should have never commented on reopening the investigation in the first place.

Reports were out there the past week that the only reason Comey commented about reopening the investigation was because "Trump Land" FBI agents blackmailed Comey that they would leak the info on their own and ruin his reputation.

So who is the FBI "rigging" the election for?
 
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Of course this should never have been released in the first place without any evidence. But despite the late retraction the damage was already done. Just maybe Comey should be removed as Director regardless of who is elected as his credibility is now shot.

Tom K
 
Of course this should never have been released in the first place without any evidence. But despite the late retraction the damage was already done. Just maybe Comey should be removed as Director regardless of who is elected as his credibility is now shot.

Tom K

Guessing he didn't have a choice. Seemed like the info had already funneled out and they had a choice to either have it come out as a leak or they could get out in front of it.

If that was the case, a leak would have been far worse.
 
Guessing he didn't have a choice. Seemed like the info had already funneled out and they had a choice to either have it come out as a leak or they could get out in front of it.

If that was the case, a leak would have been far worse.

If that is the case they should investigate the source of the potential leak and fire that person or persons ASAP.

Tom K
 
Amazing. The FBI Director tries to be transparent and gets crucified. Our country is too partisan.

He has a job to do. Hillary Clinton should be counting her lucky stars that he didn't feel a case could be brought. She has nobody to blame but herself.
 
Amazing. The FBI Director tries to be transparent and gets crucified. Our country is too partisan.

He has a job to do. Hillary Clinton should be counting her lucky stars that he didn't feel a case could be brought. She has nobody to blame but herself.

This is not about Hillary. If the story is true it is about FBI agents trying to blackmail the director. If that is not grounds for their being fired at the very least I don't know what is.

I do agree that our country is much too partisan though.

TK
 
Amazing. The FBI Director tries to be transparent and gets crucified. Our country is too partisan.

He has a job to do. Hillary Clinton should be counting her lucky stars that he didn't feel a case could be brought. She has nobody to blame but herself.

Wrong. This is not how law enforcement is supposed to go about investigations for precisely this reason. There is a custom and practice that exists for a reason. Comey violated that practice, placed a cloud over the election and may have influenced the election. You can't take it back. The reaction of reopening the investigation is far more impactful then saying, oops sorry nothing was there now carry on. It was irresponsible and not transparent.
 
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Amazing. The FBI Director tries to be transparent and gets crucified. Our country is too partisan.

He has a job to do. Hillary Clinton should be counting her lucky stars that he didn't feel a case could be brought. She has nobody to blame but herself.

I'm sorry but I think you are misunderstanding what just happened.

Jim Comey wanted to quietly investigate the emails and then let
Congress and the people know the outcome of the investigation.

He was apparently blackmailed by his subordinate agents who express their support for Trump and express their desires to see Clinton indicted at the very least. This has led former and current agents to refer to the FBI as "Trump Land". Is this what we want from our FBI?

His subordinate agents were going to torpedo Comeys career (it is already destroyed) by leaking selected documents from the email investigation up until Election Day so Trump would win.

The FBI dropped a bomb during early voting. Most likely causing people to vote against Clinton (for trump, stein, Johnson) or simply stay home.

All over duplicate emails. Because career FBI officials are too partisan.

That's the story.
 
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It would be tragic if agents who leaked info to either candidate are not immediately dismissed. I am not counting on it.
 
It would be tragic if agents who leaked info to either candidate are not immediately dismissed. I am not counting on it.

Oh yes, forgot about Rudy bragging on national TV about how he has "secret information" about the investigation from a former FBI agent who received the classified information from a current agent investigating Clinton.

FBI aka "Trump Land" playing massive politics in this election cycle.
 
Hmm, if true, sounds like the FBI acted exactly as the IRS did 4 years ago and nobody got penalized for that either.

And you really think they got through 650,000 emails in a week?

And the maid printing out classified emails?

The stench here is overwhelming.
 
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To me this is a broader issue, where the credibility of our federal government, both parties and those in charge have come into question in this election cycle. We can pick on Comey all we want, but what about the DOJ meeting with Bill Clinton on the tarmac? What about the DNC promoting one candidate over others? What about the ineptitude of Congress and Obama that spawned Trump and Sanders? The year of the outsider? There is a massive distrust for both parties, the political system, the candidates, the DOJ, and the FBI. Hillary has put herself in this position and no one to blame but herself.
 
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[QUOTE="SPK145, post: 349203, member:

And you really think they got through 650,000 emails in a week?



The stench here is overwhelming.[/QUOTE]

Hey SPK, there are these things called computers that can identify emails only concerning Hillary Clinton. Then it can eliminate duplicate emails already received. It's pretty amazing device. You should look into purchasing one.
 
Hey SPK, there are these things called computers that can identify emails only concerning Hillary Clinton. Then it can eliminate duplicate emails already received. It's pretty amazing device. You should look into purchasing one.

Then it shouldn't have even taken a week. Why did they say it would take until after the election to sort through these and then miraculously they had an answer?

I realize you are a shameless shill for the Corrupt Clinton Cartel and you are this great, rich (single and making $200,000 is certainly rich) attorney, it's OK for the maid to print out classified emails? It's OK for Obama to shill for illegal immigrants to vote? It was OK for the IRS to interfere with the 2012 election?
 
Blackmail, leaks, being serviced by prostitutes; such a wonderful agency. Or was that the Secret Service?
No matter, they should all be investigated and turned over. Comey needs to step down. He has influenced a
Presidential Election. He's a dumbass or maybe just much smarter than the credit he is given.
 
Then it shouldn't have even taken a week. Why did they say it would take until after the election to sort through these and then miraculously they had an answer?

I realize you are a shameless shill for the Corrupt Clinton Cartel and you are this great, rich (single and making $200,000 is certainly rich) attorney, it's OK for the maid to print out classified emails? It's OK for Obama to shill for illegal immigrants to vote? It was OK for the IRS to interfere with the 2012 election?

SPK, you are going off the rails a bit on these talking points.

Yes computers can scan through 650,000 e-mails in a matter of days to identify items which were related to the investigation. It is not quite as simple as sorting... but how complex it is depends on what they have.

The maid did not print any e-mails which were classified at the time.
http://graphics.wsj.com/hillary-clinton-email-documents/pdfs/C05793141.pdf
http://graphics.wsj.com/hillary-clinton-email-documents/pdfs/C05796118.pdf

They were both classified because they contained foreign relations information. Not considered classified when sent - but only if deemed so when reviewing for release per EO 13526.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information

Obama did not shill for illegal immigrants to vote.
http://www.snopes.com/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

No it is not ok for the IRS to interfere with an election and hopefully whoever leaked the info in 2012 was fired and I hope whoever was leaking info to the GOP will be fired as well.
 
Bernie's make millions from public service ? What do you base that on ???

Tom K

His net worth of a couple of million dollars. He's no Clinton, by any stretch, but give me the days when our elected officials had to actually have a real job, and public service was just that.
 
No it is not ok for the IRS to interfere with an election and hopefully whoever leaked the info in 2012 was fired and I hope whoever was leaking info to the GOP will be fired as well.

Washington is a stink hole and all should be fired. But no leader of the IRS was held accountable so don't come crying about the FBI now either. (Not directed at you but in general.) What goes around, comes around.

Hoping for a tie tomorrow, it's possible, and given this crappy election season, its deserved.
 
No one who seriously cared about the United States would hope for a tie tomorrow, which would very likely cause a Constitutional crisis.

Personally, I am hoping for a clear win. Then I will move ahead to November 9th
 
No one who seriously cared about the United States would hope for a tie tomorrow, which would very likely cause a Constitutional crisis.

Personally, I am hoping for a clear win. Then I will move ahead to November 9th

How does that create a Constitutional crisis, there are clear rules if that happens?

Unfortunately they'd have to choose between one of the top 3 votegetters, they can choose Gary Johnson!!!
 
Unfortunately they'd have to choose between one of the top 3 votegetters, they can choose Gary Johnson!!!

Choosing Gary Johnson who will overwhelmingly be rejected by the American public is a complete subversion of the voting process, regardless of whether or not he would be better qualified.

A tie would lead to weeks, possibly months, of legal and political wrangling which I do not believe would be good for the country. I am not nearly as optimistic as you are that the rules in place will make for a clear and easy transition.
 
You think it will be any better with either of the major party illegitimate rubes?

I believe a clear win will be better for the country than a Electoral College tie or a possibly too close to call election. I am certainly not hoping for it to happen.
 
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I have been gravely concerned by charges of a rigged election and/or the potential for voter suppression. I believe both the charge and the possibility undermine the confidence of the American public in the voting process.

A clear win would mean the margin of victory would be wide enough to ensure that neither of those factors comes into play.
 
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Define clear win

Clear enough that Trump can't come out and say it's rigged.
Greater than 3% difference, and Hillary having 300+ electoral votes would be a clear win to me.
I've got it at 308 - 230 and Hillary winning with 49.4% of the vote, Trump with 45.6%
 
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