If they really offered him seven years, either daddy or black magic had to be involved (or both)
Willard Turns Down Holy Cross??
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We're not screwed by Willard we're screwed by our own incompetence and we continue to show how dysfunctional we are in that regard. I have a radical solution to this problem. I would honor Willard's contract but reassign him to " other duties " and hire someone else to run the program. In my announcement of this change I would offer that we're making this change because he has proved to be incapable or running a major college program and list all his deficiencies . Of course , I would tell Willard what we're going to do, show him the press release and tell him we're going public in 48 hours and then the ball is in his court as to what he wants to do.
We're not screwed by Willard we're screwed by our own incompetence and we continue to show how dysfunctional we are in that regard. I have a radical solution to this problem. I would honor Willard's contract but reassign him to " other duties " and hire someone else to run the program. In my announcement of this change I would offer that we're making this change because he has proved to be incapable or running a major college program and list all his deficiencies . Of course , I would tell Willard what we're going to do, show him the press release and tell him we're going public in 48 hours and then the ball is in his court as to what he wants to do.
this is a posiive dvelopment. HC would have requested permission to speak with KW. SHU would have granted that permission. KW now knows we gave the permission, giving him insight that SHU would release him from his contract. stated differently, we are no longer protecting our highest paid employee from potential suitors. this could give us all insight that there is a plan B and that is unfolding in real time. from my own professional experiences, once the employer consnets, the employee knows he has lost a bit of bargaining power... lets stay calm and give this a chance to properly unfold.
There's always a coach that will take a job wether it be at RU, Fordham or SH . Guess you never played hardball in contract negotiationsI before.
I guess you haven't thought of how big a laughingstock that would make Seton Hall. Seriously, no college or respectable company would do that.
The word is "whether," by the way. Yep, you're not a college grad.
This post was edited on 3/18 7:45 PM by JIMSOULS
at 39 years old, it i not the SHU contract but the NEXT contract that matters. he can no longer say to the next school if they do not give him what he want that he will stay at SHU since he is happy at SHU and SHU is happy with him.... we knew it was either this year or next and his tenure at he school would be at an end. he may have no option left but to take an offer from a mid-level school and use the SHU $ to supplement the contract at the new school, he can then try to build that program and seek to move to a Power 5 school... a step sideways and then up.. if not, he will be floating that Bobby G looking to resurface a few years down the road
If he doesn't want to be here that's fine but don't coach like it..especially the last two game.
After seeing Cooley at Providence giving his all and then watching Willard just made me sick,
Then the last game...I give up, why waste my time...most feel the same.
After seeing Cooley at Providence giving his all and then watching Willard just made me sick,
Then the last game...I give up, why waste my time...most feel the same.
All the leverage belongs to Willard. He has been earning a living as a basketball coach for 18 years. He is a multimillionaire, and can go the rest of his life without working if he doesn't find that next head-coaching job. He surely has contacts that would help him land an assistant's job (those jobs can also pay well). And if he doesn't, he'll still be living comfortably. Seton Hall is the one behind the eight-ball in this situation. If they don't want him as their men's basketball coach, they can fire him. But they must pay the man the buyout on the contract he negotiated in good faith.
cannot more respectfully disagree. first, $3M +/- pre-tax does not let you retire at 39 or 40 and live out the next 40 years.. the contract will let him live comfortably for the next few years but unless he downsizes, uses public schools to educate his children (including collge), drives his cars for 10+ years and w/d from country clubs etc... he needs at least 2 more multi-year contracts before he can pull out the beach chair.... if he had the leverage, he would have had his press conference by now and would have told SHU to decline the HC request to talk, had to know the dollars would be significantly less, clear sign that he has the bad hand to play from the cards he has been dealt.
He has made much more than $3 million in his career. Believe me, no one in the Willard household will ever starve. And even if it was just $3 million, you'd have to be an idiot not to be able to live on it. That's more than most people will ever see in their entire lives.
SHU all in is currently $50k. thats $200k. he has 2 kids under 5 years old. rule of 8s, money doubles every 8 years assuming 7% rate of increase. college cost inflation is 7-10%. he could do it, but would have to live a very modest life style that i assume he is not now living.
Yea, I bet the guy has never made another dollar in his life and of course, as everyone here seems to know, has never made any sort of investments.
But besides the whole weird "how long and comfortable can Williard live off $3m" debate, I saw this as a huge slap in the face to SHU. Have you ever heard of a BE coach trying to get poached by the freaking Patriot while he's still under contract. Usually a job like this could be a stepping stone into something larger, but instead a god damn Patriot league team is trying to poach him. IMO that speaks VOLUMES.
But besides the whole weird "how long and comfortable can Williard live off $3m" debate, I saw this as a huge slap in the face to SHU. Have you ever heard of a BE coach trying to get poached by the freaking Patriot while he's still under contract. Usually a job like this could be a stepping stone into something larger, but instead a god damn Patriot league team is trying to poach him. IMO that speaks VOLUMES.
Jimsouls
SH is a laughing stock now and what is your obsession with who is or is not a college grad. I guess only college grads count in your very narrow world.
SH is a laughing stock now and what is your obsession with who is or is not a college grad. I guess only college grads count in your very narrow world.
For the record im not the only one that posts on this account. Some other athletes some friends. I know, your minds are blown like that gif i posted earlier. Donnie's probably gonna be in a cold sweat after reading this.
I think its fine if Sami doesnt wanna donate to the swimming team, he probably gets all sorts of weird feelings inside he cant explain after looking at the speedos. But seriously if you want kids to go out and support the team, cant do it any better than they do.
I think its fine if Sami doesnt wanna donate to the swimming team, he probably gets all sorts of weird feelings inside he cant explain after looking at the speedos. But seriously if you want kids to go out and support the team, cant do it any better than they do.
You guys must be OUT OF YOUR MIND if you think Willard was offered a contract here. He is the one that wanted the contract.
Let him stay one more year. He will ruin his chance to ever coach again with another terrible season.
Let him stay one more year. He will ruin his chance to ever coach again with another terrible season.
Get over yourself if you think I'm serious. You think I really direct the money I give to all sports excluding swimming? I know sarcasm doesn't print well, but I think it's pretty clear here.
I don't get weird feelings looking at guys in speedos thank you, and I'm sure your locker room towel snapping incidents were "all in good fun".
Sounds like he is unhappy and trying to get out. Financially, the HC deal must have not compared well to what he'd be leaving on the table at SHU. Maybe Pat Lyons will head to the Final Four looking for a new coach, and shopping out his old one. Maybe URI would be interested in a trade?
I'm starting to think this is a possibility. The rumblings about Holloway and now this, maybe the staff was given a couple of weeks to find new positions instead of being let go (which makes yourself much less marketable in the future).
I mean you seemed pretty serious that if you could exclude them you would. Obviously you cant thats common sense.
I honestly didnt know you were being sarcastic. But i guess you also couldnt tell my comment was in jest too.
I was just getting a rise out of you. And if you wanna talk about locker room incidents you should probably focus your attention on the dip spitting kids on the other side of the divide.
He may not be fired, but he may be in an untenable work situation and could be free to pursue other opportunities.
I find it very hard to believe that Kevin Willard turned down Holy Cross, and that the school then turned to Carmody as a second choice.
No one in their right mind would pick Willard over Carmody. That goes double for Holy Cross, which is an excellent academic institution that competes in a non-scholarship Patriot League. For them, Carmody's success at Princeton by itself marks him ahead of an unproven entity such as Willard. But what seals it is that Holy Cross and the Patriot League view themselves most similar to the Ivy League in terms of both academic quality as well as approach to athletics.
So Carmody turns out not only to be more proven in terms of success as a head coach but also more aligned culturally and institutionally to Holy Cross self-perception and mission. Despite the shared Catholic heritage, the alumni (especially deep pocketed ones) will aspire to be more like Princeton than Seton Hall/Iona.
In the net, it seems Willard tried to reach for what he thought was a viable escape hatch but it didn't work out for him. I'm not sure how the reports that he turned down Holy Cross come into this, but knowing Holy Cross as an institution and its mindset, Carmody is a no-brainer for the job.
No one in their right mind would pick Willard over Carmody. That goes double for Holy Cross, which is an excellent academic institution that competes in a non-scholarship Patriot League. For them, Carmody's success at Princeton by itself marks him ahead of an unproven entity such as Willard. But what seals it is that Holy Cross and the Patriot League view themselves most similar to the Ivy League in terms of both academic quality as well as approach to athletics.
So Carmody turns out not only to be more proven in terms of success as a head coach but also more aligned culturally and institutionally to Holy Cross self-perception and mission. Despite the shared Catholic heritage, the alumni (especially deep pocketed ones) will aspire to be more like Princeton than Seton Hall/Iona.
In the net, it seems Willard tried to reach for what he thought was a viable escape hatch but it didn't work out for him. I'm not sure how the reports that he turned down Holy Cross come into this, but knowing Holy Cross as an institution and its mindset, Carmody is a no-brainer for the job.
