Wonder How Many Here Voted From Christie Twice
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I love how people throw the word criminal around when they really don't know what it means. Corzine was never accused of committing any crime while governor. He was ineffective but please lay off the hyperbole. As ineffective Corzine was as Governor, he was better than the Gov we have now. I am proud that I never voted for Christie.
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I admittedly haven't followed this very closely, but just read up a bit on it. Why is is former chief of staff on trial and possibly facing prison time and not Christie?
I know I voted for Christie in 2013 because of his straight talking approach and solid response to Hurricane Sandy. He did well in his first term and was very popular at the time. I honestly don't remember for sure if I did in 2009. There is a good chance I did, but I can't recall 100%. I know I considered the independent candidate (Daggett) and there was some good discussion about him on this board at the time. I know for sure that I did NOT vote for Corzine. It was either Christie or Daggett.
Christie's second term has been a disaster on nearly every front. I can't wait to see him go and I regret voting for him (not that Barbara Buono would have been a good governor anyway, but that's besides the point).
I'm a two-time Obama voter, that I know for sure. Proud of it too, those votes worked out well for me (unlike Christie LOL). He has done a very good job overall. Will be very disappointed to see him go, especially knowing that the two candidates vying to succeed him likely won't come close to him in any way.
Christie's second term has been a disaster on nearly every front. I can't wait to see him go and I regret voting for him (not that Barbara Buono would have been a good governor anyway, but that's besides the point).
I'm a two-time Obama voter, that I know for sure. Proud of it too, those votes worked out well for me (unlike Christie LOL). He has done a very good job overall. Will be very disappointed to see him go, especially knowing that the two candidates vying to succeed him likely won't come close to him in any way.
Corzine was a terrible Governor. I voted for George Dagget the first time but voted for Christie the second time because of the way he handled the Hurricane Sandy problems. Christie's second term was a disaster primarily because he abandoned the State while pursuing national political power. As to Barbara Buono, she was a good legislator and may have been a good governor. One big positive is that she was not part of the corrupt Norcross machine and was in fact not supported by them during the election.
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One of the biggest misconceptions is how Christie handled Hurricane Sandy. Yes, he was on TV all the time. However, anyone who owned a house at the shore that got serious damage knew that the process was a nightmare. My house was a block and a half away from the beach in Lavallette. I had flood insurance but I received zero help because that was not my primary residence. The insurance low balled me and I had to hire an adjuster. It took me three years to get money. Actually, I am still owed some. Only at this moment.
The rebuild was slow, he allowed a contractor to do the clean up to rip off the state. He did nothing to clear up red tape so the people who had damaged houses could rebuild quickly.
Christie was always a fraud and I knew it would all come crashing down on him during his second term
The rebuild was slow, he allowed a contractor to do the clean up to rip off the state. He did nothing to clear up red tape so the people who had damaged houses could rebuild quickly.
Christie was always a fraud and I knew it would all come crashing down on him during his second term
My mom was 92 at the time, living alone on a lagoon in Toms River. House was flooded, lost her car and has had lots of damage. Got her check from FEMA in 30 days and rebuilt...I joke that her house got a needed remodeling off of my taxes. Not sure if Christie gets any credit but to her credit, she worked the phones, project managed the process, even worked with church groups that were assisting with the clean-up. She somehow got a short feature on a Chinese TV network too when a church group from China was assisting in the area and providing gift cards...several hundred members of the church and community sang happy birthday to her at the TRHS gym on TV....lol. She is voting for Trump...and there is no convincing her otherwise.
A lit of backbay houses in ocean and Monmouth county are still ruined.
He also funneled $$$ to his friends.
There were tons of articles calls for investigations but every investigation died in the legislature or never even materialized.
He was good at covering himself until he wasn't.
He also funneled $$$ to his friends.
There were tons of articles calls for investigations but every investigation died in the legislature or never even materialized.
He was good at covering himself until he wasn't.
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Yeah, he's a fine upstanding gentleman. Take your blinders off.
I find it curious that people are so quick to use the term crook for some people and yet so hesitant to others. No facts to support your allegation of Corzine. Hall 85, have you ever used the term crook to describe Trump? If not, why? Isn't there so much evidence that Trump has ripped people off. I specifically point to people who he had contracts with and decided he did not want to pay. Then threatened them with protracted litigation in an effort for them to take 20 cents on the dollar? From what I have heard of all politicians, Donald Trump is the biggest crook of all.
Well, that was after Corzine was governor. I happen to think that What happened seemed criminal at MF Global. However, what was not reported widely is that every investor that was ripped off was reimbursed 100%. All people who have been hoodwinked should be so lucky. Some how they found that money as odd as that may seem and I don't know nearly enough about that. http://fortune.com/2013/11/15/how-mf-globals-missing-1-5-billion-was-lost-and-found/
What difference does it make if it happened after he was Governor? And those people were reimbursed because he was found guilty in a civil case.
Corzine and McGreevey were two historically bad governors. Christie's second term places him close to those two bozos (does cern want w2's from PT Barnum?).
I am shocked that Hillary apologists "never" voted for Christie -- or for any Republican, for that matter. His first term was as good as anyone's in decades -- he actually went after double dippers, attempted to address pension reform and consolidation of services -- but of course was stonewalled by the Democrats. We should have a good dozen years of Democrat rule now, with runaway spending, upside down school funding, prohibitive taxes, no-bid giveaway contracts, misused appropriation funds -- business as usual.
Cern, my family has a house on the same barrier island, in a different township, and though rebuilding was slow, it was not on the state or federal side, it was the local administration that caused all of the problems.
I am shocked that Hillary apologists "never" voted for Christie -- or for any Republican, for that matter. His first term was as good as anyone's in decades -- he actually went after double dippers, attempted to address pension reform and consolidation of services -- but of course was stonewalled by the Democrats. We should have a good dozen years of Democrat rule now, with runaway spending, upside down school funding, prohibitive taxes, no-bid giveaway contracts, misused appropriation funds -- business as usual.
Cern, my family has a house on the same barrier island, in a different township, and though rebuilding was slow, it was not on the state or federal side, it was the local administration that caused all of the problems.
He campaigned on changing something he has little impact on, but is our biggest problem...property taxes. Knew he was full of shit then. My town has had a repub govt since I moved there with no exceptions, and they are batting 1.000 on the property tax increase average...haven't missed a year. Last good gov I guess was Kean? Though McGreevey did fix dmv after Whitman privatized it to make it monumentally bad.
Setting caps on township property tax increaases was a good start but needed more reform for it to work. He also fought very hard and is still fighting beach owners to approve the beach replenishment program. The beach replenishment in LBI has been a significant success in protecting towns from future storms. For folks complaining about not getting their money, you had to work the system quickly after the storm and then hope the local township did not get in the way which it did everywhere. Folks that waited a year or two to rebuild now face much more difficult laws and regulations. Christie had nothing to do with that and in fact tried to plead with towns to help and not hurt the process. I experienced it with our house in LBI and we got in line early and had our money within 4 months and it was a second home. It was puzzling how some of the money went to other inland towns. The biggest issue though is the Federal money that was allocated was not used quickly enough (because of the red tape) and lots of those funds were pulled back by the Federal Govt and some in NJ are trying to fight back to get it back but to no avail.
Christie had a good first term but then essentially left NJ for bigger things. A huge mistake and he is paying as he should for it. He put more $ into the pension fund than his predecessors (McGreevey and Corzine) and got no credit for that. But then the dumbass went and defeated his own pension law in NJ Supreme court - just plain stupid. His biggest two mistakes IMO were fighting his own law to fund the pension (just dumb) and being way too aggressive in general with so many discussions and policies (like not reappointing the judge in his first term). He started out trying to be a pragmatist and in fact made some very good allies (Cory Booker and DiVincenzo and others) and moves but then he and his staff let it all go to their heads. The recent gas tax includes some much needed tax benefits for retired NJ residents and middle class and gets rid of the double taxation estate tax which will help folks fleeing NJ. The deal should not have included a reduction of the sales tax though - that is where it became less than responsible.
Corzine is a very dishonest dude/crook and should be in jail - not for what he did as Governor though. He missused others funds on purpose and is way too experienced to let that happen but he did and he encouraged it. Shameless behavior from a guy who's family left him high and dry because they could not stand him and all he had left was his new failing venture that he was trying to save. Sad but true.
http://realmoney.thestreet.com/articles/10/10/2016/stumpf-vs.-corzine-heres-difference
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/07/business/dealbook/jon-corzine-mf-global-settlement.html?_r=0
And it appears from all these posts that shupat is the head cheerleader of the NJ DNC. At least we can agree on our beloved Pirates.
Christie had a good first term but then essentially left NJ for bigger things. A huge mistake and he is paying as he should for it. He put more $ into the pension fund than his predecessors (McGreevey and Corzine) and got no credit for that. But then the dumbass went and defeated his own pension law in NJ Supreme court - just plain stupid. His biggest two mistakes IMO were fighting his own law to fund the pension (just dumb) and being way too aggressive in general with so many discussions and policies (like not reappointing the judge in his first term). He started out trying to be a pragmatist and in fact made some very good allies (Cory Booker and DiVincenzo and others) and moves but then he and his staff let it all go to their heads. The recent gas tax includes some much needed tax benefits for retired NJ residents and middle class and gets rid of the double taxation estate tax which will help folks fleeing NJ. The deal should not have included a reduction of the sales tax though - that is where it became less than responsible.
Corzine is a very dishonest dude/crook and should be in jail - not for what he did as Governor though. He missused others funds on purpose and is way too experienced to let that happen but he did and he encouraged it. Shameless behavior from a guy who's family left him high and dry because they could not stand him and all he had left was his new failing venture that he was trying to save. Sad but true.
http://realmoney.thestreet.com/articles/10/10/2016/stumpf-vs.-corzine-heres-difference
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/07/business/dealbook/jon-corzine-mf-global-settlement.html?_r=0
And it appears from all these posts that shupat is the head cheerleader of the NJ DNC. At least we can agree on our beloved Pirates.
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Christie's first term was as good as anyone? excuse me while I vomit. He did NOTHING to consolidate services. He did NOTHING concerning double dipping. In fact he hired 16 people to be on his staff that were collecting a salary in his administration and collecting a pension at the same time, including his Deputy Chief of Staff. The only thing that was done was banning holding two offices at the same time like Mayor of a town and State Senator. Pension reform? Well, that was a bust now wasn't it. He got what he wanted and then he turns around and says oh forget my end of the bargain. He was all smoke and mirrors. He never went after the real problems in the State and that is property taxes. He was and is all full of hot air and people bought it. Just like someone else running to be Bloviator in Chief.
Btw, McGreevey did make the DMV work better and more efficiently as well as making E-Z Pass finally work and put in the big speed tolls. No one talks about tolls anymore. People hated Florio for raising taxes but that was a fiscally responsible move that would have kept our State financially healthy.
If you read the financial press it was reported widely. The only reason the money was all returned was because MF Global had a parent company that kicked in $1.16B and because JPMorganChase and a few other financial institutions got wind of what they were doing and called their money and took it back and saved it. They also presumed that some of the money was customer money and kept it aside. Without those two things the investors would have lost all their money.
He seems like an upright guy, a loyal son of Setonia, and an Irishman, but he is definitely a NJEA shill. To most of us non-members, the NJEA and the police/firefighter unions are the biggest problem. Though Christie turned out to be a bum, they burned MILLIONS in off-election years, smearing the governor, and villainizing him for "hating teachers/police/fire." It was silly nonsense from the word go, but they've been playing hapless victims for his entire tenure.
I will give McGreevey credit for fixing the DMV, which was a Herculean task. I will also give Christie credit for getting the public workers' unions to pick up more than the 2% of their healthcare coverage they were previously paying.
One of the biggest issues in this State is not really the teachers but Police and Fire. First, contracts for Police and Fire are out of hand. There are places like Bayonne where the Chief is making $250,000 a year and captains around $190,000 a year; Edison where Captains make approximately $180,000 a year. Multiply this by all these municipalities. No wonder property taxes are so high. The money is outrageous. This also drains the State pension as well because their pension for 25 years is 65% of their salary.
Another thing I hate is the outright total abuse of police and fire personnel upon retirement getting paid for all their unused sick time and vacation time. People are coming out with payouts with ridiculous checks. I have seen as high as $400,000. How can municipalities afford to pay these retirement payouts? There should be caps. For example, in Union County there is a cap on the amount of sick days you can cash in. It is either $10,000 or $15,000. That is a reasonable amount. You should not be able to bank more than 5 to 10 days of vacation days from year to year. Not one politician for either sides wants to tackle this out right abuse. No one has even spoken about it. But, if you want to tackle the property tax problem, this is number one thing that must stop.
By the way, I am very pro-law enforcement but abuse is abuse no matter where it is coming from.
Another thing I hate is the outright total abuse of police and fire personnel upon retirement getting paid for all their unused sick time and vacation time. People are coming out with payouts with ridiculous checks. I have seen as high as $400,000. How can municipalities afford to pay these retirement payouts? There should be caps. For example, in Union County there is a cap on the amount of sick days you can cash in. It is either $10,000 or $15,000. That is a reasonable amount. You should not be able to bank more than 5 to 10 days of vacation days from year to year. Not one politician for either sides wants to tackle this out right abuse. No one has even spoken about it. But, if you want to tackle the property tax problem, this is number one thing that must stop.
By the way, I am very pro-law enforcement but abuse is abuse no matter where it is coming from.
Christie has talked about it constantly but he has not found a way to fix it. His capping property taxes also included a kit and support from the state to encourage municipalities to share resources. Unfortunately after his attempt at reform he went and ran for Pres and the rest is history. His start was a good one but it needed much more support and incentive to get done and have municipalities share resources to reduce this drain. It's absolutely a hugh problem in NJ and will haunt the pension rolls for years and years.
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