Worst Team in the Big East

[SHUHitman]

McBride was the halftime guest on the radio broadcast of the Creighton game.

I'm sure the audio is archived on Shupirates.com.

I'd agree I'd like to hear more from him but I fear the reason we don't is because he has nothing to tell us. The product is a tough sell right now and his job is akin to selling ice to eskimos.

Thanks, will check that out.

I'm inclined to agree, but again, silence is worse than bad news. If people don't see you or hear you, they presume you aren't doing anything. It's an unfair take, but I believe that to often be true in this space.

Tell people what trees you are barking up and let them know they didn't succeed. In no other world can you continually ask for more and leave the investors completely in the dark. This is a new world. We aren't "donating" money anymore. These are investments in the program, with the payoff being wins and championships. If I give money, the team fails, and you don't tell me a damn thing along the way...why would I invest with you again?

 

[SOpirate]

Unfortunately, It's all about bringing in money. You can replace all three of them, but at the end of the day their replacements will also fail unless big donors step up.

Felt, McBride, and Lyons have had 4 years to get the big donors to step up. If they haven’t been able to do it, then what is the harm in giving someone else a chance?

 

[radecicco]

Felt, McBride, and Lyons have had 4 years to get the big donors to step up. If they haven’t been able to do it, then what is the harm in giving someone else a chance?

Not defending them but they did get the big donors to give for the practice facility which at the time (3 years ago) was the #1 priority. The timing of all this could not have been worse.

 

[Jcordasco1952]

I feel like the season ticket renewal request will hit our inboxes any day now. I just hope I’m not drinking anything when it hits so that I don’t have to buy clean up a mess.

You are right. The delusional ticket staff will send it out, likely with an increase and then tell us how if we commit and pay early we can get a SHU beenie!
How about this: I give you nothing. You hold my seats until I see what our team is. Then and only then will I pony up the money.

 

[TheHall87]

Not defending them but they did get the big donors to give for the practice facility which at the time (3 years ago) was the #1 priority. The timing of all this could not have been worse.

The Learfield extension is a big deal as well.

 

[Burnsly]

I didn’t realize McBride has been there for 4 years. Funny how Holloway isn’t at all responsible.

 

[hallstorm]

It’s so easy to take out the pitch forks.

But really how many miracles can a team perform with the money that’s available?

Would everyone be happier if the team won all the poor OOC games and went 6-14 in conference and nothing happened? To just push this issue off until next year or the year after?

Would a record of 15-17 been really better?

It’s been an inexorable crashing meteor since Dre and Kadary left for more money.

This just pushes the timetable up quicker for something big to happen.

If nothing happens, then we all save money for not paying for a few more years of less than mediocrity.

 

[shu09]

Also see Louisville.

Well, they came to their senses about the mistake they made with Kenny Payne. Seton Hall is going to take a lot longer to admit its mistake.......

 

[newshu1]

I didn’t realize McBride has been there for 4 years. Funny how Holloway isn’t at all responsible.

4 years and what to show for it? Classic middle management type, tread water, don't make waves and you can have a 6 figure job for many many years

 

[TheHall87]

Well, they came to their senses about the mistake they made with Kenny Payne. Seton Hall is going to take a lot longer to admit its mistake.......

Kenny Payne also went 4-28 and 8-24 in two seasons.

For whatever issues Shaheen might have he won 42 games his first two years here. He's given himself some room to play with for now.

 

[shu09]

Kenny Payne also went 4-28 and 8-24 in two seasons.

For whatever issues Shaheen might have he won 42 games his first two years here. He's given himself some room to play with for now.

True, but we're heading towards that.

 

[nutterforthree]

It’s so easy to take out the pitch forks.

But really how many miracles can a team perform with the money that’s available?

Would everyone be happier if the team won all the poor OOC games and went 6-14 in conference and nothing happened? To just push this issue off until next year or the year after?

Would a record of 15-17 been really better?

It’s been an inexorable crashing meteor since Dre and Kadary left for more money.

This just pushes the timetable up quicker for something big to happen.

If nothing happens, then we all save money for not paying for a few more years of less than mediocrity.

Yes, a 15-17 record where we beat teams we were supposed to would be much much better.

I don't think we are asking for Miracles at all. If the excuse is NIL, then we should be beating teams that are close to our NIL. We would like to see an upset against a team with a higher NIL...this shows donors that there is potential and that Shaheen is someone they can invest in.

Instead, we are getting destroyed by teams with similar NIL and those who have was less resources than even we do. We have become the worst power conference team in the country by far.

I think everyone is hoping that some donor will see the program is terrible, and will come in to save it...I see it the other way- when the program is terrible, it seems unlikely that someone is going to come in to save it because why would you burn your money away?

 

[hallstorm]

Yes, a 15-17 record where we beat teams we were supposed to would be much much better.

I don't think we are asking for Miracles at all. If the excuse is NIL, then we should be beating teams that are close to our NIL. We would like to see an upset against a team with a higher NIL...this shows donors that there is potential and that Shaheen is someone they can invest in.

Instead, we are getting destroyed by teams with similar NIL and those who have was less resources than even we do. We have become the worst power conference team in the country by far.

I think everyone is hoping that some donor will see the program is terrible, and will come in to save it...I see it the other way- when the program is terrible, it seems unlikely that someone is going to come in to save it because why would you burn your money away?

That’s not how it works.

If you think that, you’re not paying attention.

Did last year’s above-expectations get more money?

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Still has 2 years eligibility as I recall.....

and let the NCAA try to legislate against that...take them to court!

lol

He will win in court and Maryland will pay for him. That’s our luck

 

[nutterforthree]

That’s not how it works.

If you think that, you’re not paying attention.

Did last year’s above-expectations get more money

It did- our NIL is around 2 million this year- I don't think it was that last year. The reason we are so terrible is poor coaching decisions and very poor talent recruitment. Shaheen obviously thought these players were much better than they are.

It seems pretty logical that a good year would generate more money, and a bad year would generate less. Again, for the average donor no one is giving to this team a dime when they are so bad; its just the reality of the situation.

 

[newshu1]

Look at St. Johns they are having so much fun, best team in 25 years. I am sure aside from Repole other donors will step up next season

 

[hallstorm]

It did- our NIL is around 2 million this year- I don't think it was that last year. The reason we are so terrible is poor coaching decisions and very poor talent recruitment. Shaheen obviously thought these players were much better than they are.

It seems pretty logical that a good year would generate more money, and a bad year would generate less. Again, for the average donor no one is giving to this team a dime when they are so bad; its just the reality of the situation.

No the NIL for SHU’s team this year is around $1.5-1.7mm (it’s been printed many, many times on here); not nearly enough to truly compete with.

If you think it’s all about coaching and just want blood, I have to tell you that it would be minimally better with a different coach. It is what it is with what you can buy.

Is some of this season on Sha? Of course it is. He shifted away from dependence on 3 players and thought a more balanced approach would work. It’s been a disaster.

But his performance in his first two seasons has earned him a longer leash.

What new coach will come in and get donors excited to give money??

Seton Hall has never had a power conference established winning coach jump ship to coach here. Isn’t gonna happen.

 

[hallstorm]

Look at St. Johns they are having so much fun, best team in 25 years. I am sure aside from Repole other donors will step up next season

They don’t need any other donors 😂

 

[its haLL baLL]

I don't see the NIL situation changing much regardless of who is the coach. I think success would bring in more fair-weather fans and $50-$100 donations, but I'm not sure there would ever be enough of them to really boost the budget into a competitive range.

I'm more concerned that this disaster of a season is going to make our bigger donors reassess how much they're contributing. I couldn't imagine giving tens of thousands of dollars, if not more, to the NIL and this being my return on investment. I certainly don't think I would be inclined to double down and give even more for next season.

If that's the case and the NIL budget shrinks I don't know how we get out of this hole with Sha's current philosophy. The program needs to reinvent itself and take on some sort of identity. I don't know what the best approach would be, but that's the only way I see the team being successful.

Run and gun and shoot 30+ 3's a game, play 40 minutes of full court pressure defense, or play a 1-3-1 zone like Beilein did back in the day. It's going to have to be something like that, IMO.

 

[Hall Is Life]

I don't see the NIL situation changing much regardless of who is the coach. I think success would bring in more fair-weather fans and $50-$100 donations, but I'm not sure there would ever be enough of them to really boost the budget into a competitive range.

I'm more concerned that this disaster of a season is going to make our bigger donors reassess how much they're contributing. I couldn't imagine giving tens of thousands of dollars, if not more, to the NIL and this being my return on investment. I certainly don't think I would be inclined to double down and give even more for next season.

If that's the case and the NIL budget shrinks I don't know how we get out of this hole with Sha's current philosophy. The program needs to reinvent itself and take on some sort of identity. I don't know what the best approach would be, but that's the only way I see the team being successful.

Run and gun and shoot 30+ 3's a game, play 40 minutes of full court pressure defense, or play a 1-3-1 zone like Beilein did back in the day. It's going to have to be something like that, IMO.

I can think of 2.5 million ways Sha can save his job.

 

[williaza01]

I still think revenue sharing can help (a little) I just haven’t seen anything released from the school about the idea

Of course our revenue is probably small BUT we offer so few sports compared to most if not all peer schools we should be able to supplement $$ towards or NIL and help the cause

I’ve been killed as a KW fanboy (even though I posted he should be fired after Marquette) and a sha hater..but I think legitimate criticism of Sha during NIL is he has a track record of being way way off on nil market values and talent evaluation.

There were several of us to point out when he scoffed at Tyreses number that it was actually very bargain based..there are a few of these examples out there

 

[LBP43]

It would be refreshing to see some change in the way this Team plays but I know I will be watching the same walk up and wait 0 with the press applied with 10 minutes to go .

 

[Burnsly]

McBride hasn't even been here for 2 years. If you're going to criticize someone that has a very difficult job at least get your facts straight.

 

[batts]

I still think revenue sharing can help (a little) I just haven’t seen anything released from the school about the idea

Of course our revenue is probably small BUT we offer so few sports compared to most if not all peer schools we should be able to supplement $$ towards or NIL and help the cause

I’ve been killed as a KW fanboy (even though I posted he should be fired after Marquette) and a sha hater..but I think legitimate criticism of Sha during NIL is he has a track record of being way way off on nil market values and talent evaluation.

There were several of us to point out when he scoffed at Tyreses number that it was actually very bargain based..there are a few of these examples out there

l'm no insider but my understanding is that SHU did not have enough NIL funds to match Florida's offer. I read that Samuels said he was staying at SHU and content with his NIL compensation but approached Sha the next day to advise him that Fla offered him $300,000 which SHU could not match.

 

[Merge]

don't see the NIL situation changing much regardless of who is the coach. I think success would bring in more fair-weather fans and $50-$100 donations, but I'm not sure there would ever be enough of them to really boost the budget into a competitive range.

I'm more concerned that this disaster of a season is going to make our bigger donors reassess how much they're contributing. I couldn't imagine giving tens of thousands of dollars, if not more, to the NIL and this being my return on investment. I certainly don't think I would be inclined to double down and give even more for next season.

Agreed. Moderately wealthy individuals who can throw some money at the program are just not going to be able to compete when there are people like Repole out there who will spend whatever they need to spend and will get tired of spending for poor results. As things stand currently, the only way we can compete is if we get luck on under the radar players who will overachieve, and then they probably leave next year anyway... The NIL era is just brutal for a smaller program without mega donors willing to burn massive amounts of money.

 

[hallwins]

Yes, a 15-17 record where we beat teams we were supposed to would be much much better.

I don't think we are asking for Miracles at all. If the excuse is NIL, then we should be beating teams that are close to our NIL. We would like to see an upset against a team with a higher NIL...this shows donors that there is potential and that Shaheen is someone they can invest in.

Instead, we are getting destroyed by teams with similar NIL and those who have was less resources than even we do. We have become the worst power conference team in the country by far.

I think everyone is hoping that some donor will see the program is terrible, and will come in to save it...I see it the other way- when the program is terrible, it seems unlikely that someone is going to come in to save it because why would you burn your money away?

We were missing 1 starter and 1 guy who plays a ton

l'm no insider but my understanding is that SHU did not have enough NIL funds to match Florida's offer. I read that Samuels said he was staying at SHU and content with his NIL compensation but approached Sha the next day to advise him that Fla offered him $300,000 which SHU could not match.

Which SHU at the time questioned was a true offer. I think that is what has been discussed. Pay the money to retain your good veterans or you end up having no veterans to retain.

 

[nutterforthree]

We were missing 1 starter and 1 guy who plays a ton

Missing 1 starter, and a guy who plays a ton and beating Depaul would not be considered a miracle by any stretch of the imagination and something we should do no questions asked.

 

[donnie_baseball]

You are right. The delusional ticket staff will send it out, likely with an increase and then tell us how if we commit and pay early we can get a SHU beenie!
How about this: I give you nothing. You hold my seats until I see what our team is. Then and only then will I pony up the money.

You're exactly the type of alum that has us in this position. Do the Jets have the same program?

 

[hallwins]

Missing 1 starter, and a guy who plays a ton and beating Depaul would not be considered a miracle by any stretch of the imagination and something we should do no questions asked.

I am as big as critic of roster construction of this team as anyone, but the reality is that other than Aligbe, we had all sophomores on the floor and Middleton played less than half the game.