http://www.nj.com/morris/index.ssf/2017/10/hospital_bigwig_charged_in_lewd_acts_near_college.html
Wiener, Weinstein, Spacey, etc. Now the #2 at RWJ/Barnabas.
Wiener, Weinstein, Spacey, etc. Now the #2 at RWJ/Barnabas.
WTF is going on?
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Why would you assume drugs? Funny, the definition YOU created....
Nice try to take a shot at Trump though. Are you referring to the parade of paid hookers that made accusations during the campaign?
"A half-hour later, two 19-year-old women were walking through a parking lot on the 200 block of East Main Street when a naked man emerged from behind a Dumpster and began talking to them. He was carrying his clothes, according to police."
I've read cases of people using some serious drugs when they did something like that. It's possible but hard to imagine he was sober.
It doesn't really fit the mold of the others you mentioned.
Trump is on tape talking about how he grabs women by the pussy. Spacey hasn't admitted guilt here other than to say he was sorry if that is what happened, but that made your list. Just saying... When you ask "WTF is going on" - We elected a man who bragged about sexually harassing women.
Hard to be shocked anymore when we condone the behavior at such a high level... but yeah, slut shame them. Hard to imagine that Trump was actually telling the truth.
Not my list. By all means include him. He is a POS.
I hope everyone who has treated women like they have is exposed.
I know you have a hard on for Trump (no pun intended), but equating locker room talk with those who have actually committed these acts (Wiener, Wienstein, Cosby and yes, Clinton), or in Spacey's case pretty much admitted by apologizing are two very different things.
Maybe it was drugs with Picerno, but if you talk to most mental health experts, most perverts don't need to be high to do their predator act. Apparently, he also had a couple of previous arrests in Florida...how does that get past the background check?
He brags about it. Multiple women accuse him of doing what he bragged about... but it's just looker room talk and all those women are hookers.
I think deep down, anyone who has ever been around men like Trump knows that was not just locker room talk.
You're too much....eleven women accuse him in a two week period during the election and not one shred of evidence is found. Why not? Trump has an ego and he has to be the big swinging dick in a room, but he also employs tons of female executives in an industry that is way behind the curve.
What type of evidence would there be if he walked up to a woman and grabbed her by the crotch?
Do you also think all of Weinsteins accusers are lying as well?
1 woman becomes 2 women becomes 3 etc because they are afraid to talk about it. They don't think people will believe them. They don't want to ruin their careers, disrupt their lives etc...
How about the actual victim saying so and having one shred of corroborating evidence? If you can't see the difference in the women that have accused Weinstein and those that accused Trump and disappeared, your partisan glasses have completely blinded you....
http://people.com/politics/people-writer-attack-by-donald-trump-corroborated-six-named-sources/
There are many examples of such.
Hard to prove when no one else is in the room but in that instance, the woman told colleagues years before Trump ever considered running for president.
I think you are downplaying how difficult it was for these women to speak out and how difficult it would be to continue to fight against Trump.
We've seen the transcript of what his attorneys say to people to keep them quiet.
There is still however one woman fighting on behalf of all of the accusers suing the Trump campaign. They haven't disappeared. His attorneys are fighting to have a stay until his term is up.
lol.... if the millions of dollars of DNC money couldn't find any evidence good luck finding it now.
You asked for an actual victim saying so and corroborating evidence, I provide both a victim talking and people corroborating her story from many years before Trump was running for president. She wasn't an opportunist, she wasn't a hooker.
That is exactly why more women don't speak out against sexual harassment. People tend not to believe them.
Perhaps they were paid hookers but I don't think the evidence supports this claim.
Your cavalier statement is an example of how predators get away with sexual assault.
Maybe our resident Chief of False Equivalencies Police can weigh in.
Are you seriously equating http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37595321 to Weinstein? To Weiner?
Are you seriously equating http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37595321 to Weinstein? To Weiner?
So you wanted an actual victim, and cooboration of their story. I showed that this person clearly did not fit the picture of who you painted as an opportunistic hooker since she told people about the harrassment many years ago, and now they didn’t tell their story to the right person...
That is exactly why women are afraid to come out and talk about sexual assault. People don’t believe them, and worse they are called names and people think they invited scrutiny into their lives for talking about it.
Merge, how about you start a separate thread. Call it "Trump is a pervert sexual molester who we all hate". We promise to stay off it and you can have a field day.
Back to the OP, I think the thing that is happening is that social and viral media is leveling the playing field. I think the sexual harassment has always happened but prior to today's new media outlets, news dissemination was different beast.
JFK had a revolving door of women in the White House and in hotel rooms on trips. The press corps looked the other way. Today the press corps does not have the ability to suppress news.
Today, you can tell your story to Facebook or YouTube and it will be spread around the globe with minutes, hours. Years ago, you had less places to go to tell your story and have it acted upon.
Back to the OP, I think the thing that is happening is that social and viral media is leveling the playing field. I think the sexual harassment has always happened but prior to today's new media outlets, news dissemination was different beast.
JFK had a revolving door of women in the White House and in hotel rooms on trips. The press corps looked the other way. Today the press corps does not have the ability to suppress news.
Today, you can tell your story to Facebook or YouTube and it will be spread around the globe with minutes, hours. Years ago, you had less places to go to tell your story and have it acted upon.
As the father of three girls who all have their professional careers, save me the lecture on harassment. I bring up a legitimate topic, and your only response is to re-direct toward the president. You have taken the title as poster boy here for Trump Derangement Syndrome.
My response wasn't just a redirection, it was a comment about our society. You asked WTF. My answer to you is that sexual harassment is likely very pervasive among powerful and famous people (and yes, I have discussed this with family members in the mental health profession) I don't think situations like those reported about Weinstein, Weiner, Clinon, Spacey etc are rare. My point in bringing Trump into the conversation is that many people just don't care about sexual harassment. It is almost accepted in our society as we brush the rumors under the rug. Victims are afraid to speak out because no one believes them and they are threatened.
Call it whatever you want, I will wear that badge proudly.
He is a disgusting human being and is a horrendous choice to lead our country.
Your point of bringing up Trump is because you have a big fat boner for him. And I'm encouraged that the first step in successful treatment of TDS, is acknowledging that you have it
.No, this was your response which is not remotely consistent with the above:
Hall85 is accurate when he describes your derangement. It clouds your thinking. You can't hold an intelligent conversation.
Again, why don't you just start a separate thread where you and Hans Solo can vent your hate and share your statements of opinion that you declare as truth and fact.
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My post "you forgot about Trump" was intended as - "Why ask WTF when we elected a guy admitting he grabs women by the pussy." Sexual assuault has been normalized in our society. I will spell everything out for you more clearly next time.
Here's you in another thread 2 weeks ago.
So now I can't hold an intelligent discussion because I believe Trump was telling the truth that he grabs women by the pussy?
You may think my judgement is clouded on Trump,I personally think it is pretty relevant when discussing an era of sexual harassment claims becoming public. .
Fact: He bragged about grabbing women by the pussy
Fact: He bragged about going into a locker room of his beauty pageant with naked underage girls.
Had Weinstein ,Anthony Weiner, Clinton etc done those things, I don't think you would be ok with it.
So why does Trump get a pass?
History will be a better judge of Trump, but when my daughters are old enough to study this in school, I don't expect they will tell me I had that Trump guy all wrong.
Here is what you declare as Trump bragging about harassing.
Trump: Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."
Bush: "Whatever you want."
Trump: "Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."
Sounds consensual to me.
Bragging is your opinion and characterization. One could argue he is just stating a fact or stating his recollection of his experience in these situations.
Trump: Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."
Bush: "Whatever you want."
Trump: "Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."
Sounds consensual to me.
Bragging is your opinion and characterization. One could argue he is just stating a fact or stating his recollection of his experience in these situations.
"Merge, I appreciate your measured response and enjoy the discussion vs arguing. We have different viewpoints on some things and that is OK."
That was me trying to extend an olive branch in an effort to curb you incessant arguing and other churlish discussion behavioral. I see it had little effect.
That was me trying to extend an olive branch in an effort to curb you incessant arguing and other churlish discussion behavioral. I see it had little effect.
How about: why ask WTF when we elected a president who moistens cigars in the vaginas of interns while in the oval office?
You cite two sentences uttered by a guy on bus with other guys 12 years ago. You call that relevant.
Merge, you hate Trump. We get it. Go buy a billboard.
Move on to some intelligent discussion.
Accusations filed against Trump in court related to sexual misconduct. - 3
Accusations alleged publicly against Trump - 12
Number of teenage girls publicly they were offended by Trump in their locker room - 5
Completely fair and entirely my point.
So this thread was about Weinstein and Spacey... you realize those didn't actually happen in 2017 right? Some of this stuff happened like 20 years ago.
Which one is acceptable to go look at some naked teenagers?
You're answer should be neither.
Merge, have you stop beating your wife yet?
Your answer should be yes or no.
If you have ever been involved in a stage production of any kind there is a simple fact that dressing and undressing occurs in various places. Crew and staff work amongst that. You learn to get used to it and that yes you will see various parts of bodies.
Were you there? We're they naked or did you make that up. Or you hear some hollywood reporter say that? We're they simply chanfi costumes or outfits prepping formthenedt appearance.
You apparently have a thick scull and and comprehend that there are people, like you, who hate Trump and will say just about anything.
Go check out the story how he told Howard Stern that he could call Ivanka
"A piece of ass". Then go to the actual interview and get the context.
Keep hating. Keep believing.
Your answer should be yes or no.
If you have ever been involved in a stage production of any kind there is a simple fact that dressing and undressing occurs in various places. Crew and staff work amongst that. You learn to get used to it and that yes you will see various parts of bodies.
Were you there? We're they naked or did you make that up. Or you hear some hollywood reporter say that? We're they simply chanfi costumes or outfits prepping formthenedt appearance.
You apparently have a thick scull and and comprehend that there are people, like you, who hate Trump and will say just about anything.
Go check out the story how he told Howard Stern that he could call Ivanka
"A piece of ass". Then go to the actual interview and get the context.
Keep hating. Keep believing.
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So a couple quick points.
Trump admitted to going into the dressing room while the girls were naked. At least 5 girls said it creeped them out.
Find whatever excuse you want. I think that’s really disturbing. You would think it was creepy if it were Clinton (and rightfully so) trump had no business being in there.
Also, spacey allegations are just that so far. He has not admitted guilt. Why are you convinced of his guilt but not trumps? For what it’s worth I am consistent here. I was big spacey fan. I’ve seen everything he has done and I binged house of cards in 2-3 day each season. I wrote to Netflix last week and said they need to cancel house of cards and their relationship with him. I don’t think that behavior should be tolerated at any level.
Trump admitted to going into the dressing room while the girls were naked. At least 5 girls said it creeped them out.
Find whatever excuse you want. I think that’s really disturbing. You would think it was creepy if it were Clinton (and rightfully so) trump had no business being in there.
Also, spacey allegations are just that so far. He has not admitted guilt. Why are you convinced of his guilt but not trumps? For what it’s worth I am consistent here. I was big spacey fan. I’ve seen everything he has done and I binged house of cards in 2-3 day each season. I wrote to Netflix last week and said they need to cancel house of cards and their relationship with him. I don’t think that behavior should be tolerated at any level.
Spacey essentially did admit to it by saying "if I did, I apologize". And you're going to equate walking through a dressing room at a beauty pageant with throwing a 14 year old boy on a bed? #TDS
Separate conversations.
“I honestly do not remember the encounter,” he didn’t admit anything.
I am not comparing the locker room to that. I am comparing the 15 women who alleged sexual misconduct to that.
The locker room thing is just another example of him being a ceeepy old perv. You telling me you would have been ok if it were your underage daughters in the room?
I give up...He said he apologized if he did it...
None of those allegations ever went anywhere...and they all conveniently came up at the same time during the campaign. Did they all magically back off once he was elected PRESIDENT??? Wouldn't you think the MSM would be all over this if they continued to press and had one sliver of evidence? #TDS
IF.
I’m sorry if I ran over your dog. I don’t remember doing it but I’m sorry if that happened.
That is not an admission of guilt.
As with the spacey allegations, ther often is not a shred of evidence for sexual harrassment... that is why this stuff gets swept under a rug for 20-30 years like with spacey, like with Weinstein... but Trumps allegations were just from opportunistic hookers.
