Yankees kneel before, but not during national anthem
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As usual. This guy nails it.
I have no problem with people who want to do something about social injustice, but if you're kneeling during the 2 minutes of the anthem and doing nothing about it the other 23 hours and 58 minutes of the day it's meaningless. The comedy of it all last night is you have intelligent grown men kneeling for social injustice while wearing Nike gear. You can't make this stuff up.
The sad part about last night is all offseason I'm watching classic games and seeing Lee Greenwood come out to sing God Bless the USA in 2001 and now having to see the difference between then and now is just sad.
That's a league decision not players union as to which apparel company outfits the uniforms
Really if the league got KKK approved on all the jerseys, you think the players would be silent about it?
That's a league decision not players union as to which apparel company outfits the uniforms
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Wokeboy the ultimate social justice warriors only for oppressed in America. Who cares is slave labor is outfitting his Nike polo shirt, they're not shitting in his yard.
That is a mignty radical reach that is ignorant because it will never happen, go take your unhappiness to the commissioner. This was actually to UA but they backed out 4 years ago.
I have concerns about oppression anywhere. However I am a US citizen and most care about my own backyard first.
Look at the labor practices Qatar is using to build 2022 WC venues. I dont agree with it. I am pretty sure ESPN OTL did an embedded story on it a few years back.
Because underarmour backed out of a deal with MLB, I guess we all should just accept Nike.
I wish I understood how your brain worked. Nike is a US company. I'll say it again. It's a US company. Instead of employing US citizens, they take their jobs overseas. In order to care about your backyard first, you should know what is in your backyard. You don't even know what's in your backyard. They can use modern day slave labor to take jobs away from US citizens and that's not in your backyard.
So again, Halldan creates a thread topic that was bound to make its way to LOTS.
Others that replied on here did so with politicized intentions.
A united gesture gets twisted into symbolism of the left dem liberal class.
Moreso, my take on the demo of this board is not racist. It is true we have middle age to senior citizen white males with particular beliefs that won't change. Now is everyone like that? No i feel seton75, merge, hallline69 and some others are reasonable and fair minded people. Most of this group will not be returning to pro team sports as viewers because they feel athletes should be emotionless droid bots only. I believe it is good for all of humanity that people want to symbolically stand for something. Another poster here said their father using sports watching as a distraction from reality. But the partcipants that allow your father to watch are very real humans who have feelings they want to express.
BTW i am sure there are plenty who kneeled yesterday will kneel today and other athletes who kneel going forward who will still vote republican red as well.
Others that replied on here did so with politicized intentions.
A united gesture gets twisted into symbolism of the left dem liberal class.
Moreso, my take on the demo of this board is not racist. It is true we have middle age to senior citizen white males with particular beliefs that won't change. Now is everyone like that? No i feel seton75, merge, hallline69 and some others are reasonable and fair minded people. Most of this group will not be returning to pro team sports as viewers because they feel athletes should be emotionless droid bots only. I believe it is good for all of humanity that people want to symbolically stand for something. Another poster here said their father using sports watching as a distraction from reality. But the partcipants that allow your father to watch are very real humans who have feelings they want to express.
BTW i am sure there are plenty who kneeled yesterday will kneel today and other athletes who kneel going forward who will still vote republican red as well.
I feel it would be a good longform or ongoing discussion for a platform like sbj, sportico or front office sports to broach, MLB are you comfy being in a 10 year deal in this climate knowing how the worn items are made and where they are manufactured and by who. Commissioner Selig always said he believes MLB is a social instiution.
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And they sell the sneakers for hundreds of dollars over cost to many peoole who cannot afford them, but must have them as a social status.
Notice how he lists three posters by name who agree with him. Again, inclusive and welcoming *only when you agree*!
GM is a US company, Chevy is as American a car make that there is. GM discontinued a specific part for my vehicle. I still needed the part. An aftermarket company had the part. It saddened me to see Made in China but I had no choice.
I think that was a big thing in late 90s early 2000s the retail market value of something with a logo on it. All brands do the same. Steph Marbury had a sneaker line for far less once and many felt a certain way about it.
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Every part for American cars should be made in USA, but sadly they're not. Does Nike make any products in USA tho? Phil Knight so woke he uses kids to get rich
I dont believe seton75, hallline69 and merge agree in every facet of hoops, culture and society as i do but i know they are fair minded folks.
Nice deflection, but what does any of that have to do with Nike taking thousands of jobs away from people in your own backyard?
It is sad dsy to me when any company only sees profit margin as the lead item on its goals list. I am not advocating Nike. I really wonder what the outcry woild be from many here if there is a time down the road when SHU ever goes back to them. No donations, no more attending games for some to most I would imagine.
Everyone who contributes to discussions on this board is fair minded, except for Bobbie Solo. I even consider you fair minded.
Shu09 do you believe that every last athlete that kneels yesterday today or in the future has never or will never vote republican?
Because there are certain posters here that seek to politicize every action that anyone does. People here want sports as a distaction with no stances shown. I am sure some to most athletes want to show expression without others commentating on if a gesture was liberal or left or woke. When teams celebrate mem day vets day july 4th, returning active duty military, vets are they expressing good patriotic conservative values.
Kniepolice early in this thread connected that conservatives watch sports more than liberals and they and he don't want to see any social messages. But arent my examples above social messages too?
It's a sad day, but you don't seem to be as concerned about your backyard as you want us all to believe. I would think if you were as concerned about your backyard as you want us to believe, you might be leading the charge of no donations, no attending games, boycotting Nike.
They use child labor. End of story.
I recall a poster on this board espousing his opposition to oppression.
Crickets.
But, hey, Nike has black people in their commercials, so they are woke.
I couldn't care less about the political opinions of athletes. What does that have to do with posters on this site being fair minded?
As long as we're getting paid off of social injustices, it's ok. DUH Stop using logic. This is a new world where logic doesn't exist.
Maybe you don't , but a couple of years ago Solo said he looked forward to the day old people died so young progressives could take over. I called him on it and asked why he hated his parents and grandparents. I don't believe he responded.
I think that' while these players are taking a knee, they spend another 30 seconds saying a prayer. That would be novel and surely a much better reason to genuflect. It also would get most of them to stand up, never to kneel again, I suspect.
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I think most here are fair minded. All of the players kneeling to show unity towards the issue, and then standing for the anthem is about as ideal of a response as I can think of in the current environment.
The direction of this thread though shows some fair minded people may not be fair minded on all issues.
If you decide to protest one issue, protesting all issues is not a requirement. whataboutism doesn't add anything here.
People on this board have argued about kneeling during the anthem ad nauseam. If they were upset then AND upset now, all of those original arguments had very little to do with the anthem/flag.
I had no problem with the kneeling at the yankee game. I don't like that MLB put the BLM stamp on the back of the mound, but that alone is not going to get me to stop watching. BLM is run by trained Marxist who apparently spend 71% of all donations on salaries, benefits, and consultants. The organization is a joke.
As for what aboutism...Did the world stop caring about everything except blacks killed by cops? Has anyone, anywhere had a thought about other injustices in our country or in the world? I could be wrong, but we have probably thousands of people being shot at, and the whole world is focused on police reform when 99% of all cops are doing good for their communities. Maybe I need to get my head examined but that makes no sense to me. I must be the crazy one.
Regarding the part of this thread about things made in America, my view is that a 100% made in America approach is counter to free markets. Trade between nations has been going on for centuries. It is good for the world. As long as that trade is done in a legal, fair, and moral environment, it is good.
You have to go all the way down to raw materials to understand where something is made.
You can rest assured that those made in the USA brake linings in your Chevy was made with graphite mined in China. Having had a client who bought Chinese graphite, I can attest that the conditions in those mines are quite bad.
I don't expect to see MLB kneeling for the Chinese mine workers any time soon; nor will they boycott disc brakes.
You have to go all the way down to raw materials to understand where something is made.
You can rest assured that those made in the USA brake linings in your Chevy was made with graphite mined in China. Having had a client who bought Chinese graphite, I can attest that the conditions in those mines are quite bad.
I don't expect to see MLB kneeling for the Chinese mine workers any time soon; nor will they boycott disc brakes.
I agree. I don't think they need to advertise BLM in my opinion.
That might be a problem, or it might not. Depends what the consultants were doing. I'd have to read more on the topic.
No.
Yes.
You're not crazy if you believe there are issues that are more important.
There are.
But, we don't get to decide what the players choose to protest.
Just because the protest something, that doesn't mean they don't care about anything else.
That is the typical response by people who get called out for focusing on a problem that data shows is pale in comparison to others.
Never mind that 13% of the population committed 40% of the homicides. Let's focus our energies on 0.2% of those homicides.
Have you ever been to a sporting event where they have a moment of silence for something?
Did you interrupt that moment of silence to yell "Yeah, but other stuff is worse"?
Same concept here.
Saying you are against police brutality is one thing. It gives you an area of focus. Saying you're fighting social injustices is completely different. It opens yourself up to questioning when you don't give attention to all injustices. Dr. King said something to the effect injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
Saying you're fighting for injustices and wearing Nike while doing it is just comedy.
I think the point is that there are black people in America, in 2020, that are telling you that their experience is/was different than yours.
