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9/11 Thread

As a survivor of 9/11, this day always brings back some horrific memories. I have told my story a couple of times, but I must say that in the aftermath of 9/11, we helped each other on the streets. we were kind and caring to each other and tried to help our fallen brothers and sisters. Those memories of that small. moment in time reminds me that we as Americans can be brought together as one. We do not have to be so divisive and let us take the opportunity to do kind to our fellow American today and in the future.

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sounds like people are getting upset that kamala isn't coming across as advertised. and that trump is.
She didn't answer 1 question. She didn't have a word salad. My opinion she was mediocre at best. Her opponent was better on the economy and then horrible. He couldn't even keep on message with his closing argument which started out why haven't you done anything in 3.5 years which was good, then he went off the rails. It's not like she was excellent and he was terrible. She didn't answer a question, but she didn't have to in order to be better than him. She won the debate, election is far from over.

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She won the debate by not answering any questions and baiting him. He took the bait far too often. It could move the needle for folks who don't follow the issues.

IMO Trump is going to lose the election based on all the dumb stuff he continues to say and just keeps giving the left leaning media more ammo. He's so stupid when it comes to what he says. This election should be an easy win if he just focused on the 1) economy/inflation and 2) the horrible border situation and tried to pin her down on those two issues. But he can't help himself. He has no one else to blame but himself.

I am afraid of how far left Kamala is. She will say all the right things to win but then go hard left once she is in office. My hope is that the Senate is split or leans Republican to slow her down.

The big picture for the Republican party is they need to get rid of Trump in order to move forward IMO. He's taking the whole party down a ridiculous rabbit hole and the party will continue to lose elections under his power. The result if she wins and controls the Senate will be the country will move hard to a liberal globalist strategy which is not good for anyone.
trump cant focus on the border issue/ he goes complete lunatic if he does. he can't help himself. they're eating peoples pets! i would REALLY like a republican rehaul. my god its in such a bad place.
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She's been consistent since then on this issue.
How about 11 days ago?

"Hamas is an evil terrorist organization. With these murders, Hamas has even more American blood on its hands. I strongly condemn Hamas’ continued brutality, and so must the entire world. From its massacre of 1,200 people to sexual violence, taking of hostages, and these murders, Hamas’ depravity is evident and horrifying. The threat Hamas poses to the people of Israel—and American citizens in Israel—must be eliminated and Hamas cannot control Gaza."

Maybe it's more that she has also been critical of Israel and if they are doing enough to protect the innocent civilians in their bombings that bothers you?
There's so much out there where you feel one day she leans this direction on the issue, the next day you read something and she believes something else and she gets out once a month to talk to people, you really don't know where the hell she stands. So yes I was hoping for something real definitive other than the basics of a 2 state solution that has been talked about since Clinton was in office.

House member feels GOP will lose majority

Because they are tied to trump. If he loses maybe real republicans can go back to being real republicans and back to the Gran Old Party .
Serious question..... what is your definition of a real Republican? Is Dick Cheney a real Republican? Just a few days ago before he endorsed Harris the nicest thing the Dems called him was "war monger".

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did we see pearl harbor as intently as our parents who lived thru it?

i wont forget. But i never remembered the maine.

Source, you and my dad share a birthday.
Right, someone would have to be 145 years old to Remember the Maine. (And you're not quite that, right?)
That's just how it goes...

Your father's birthday was probably spoiled pretty good for a few years after 1941! Did he serve in the war?

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I agree, we should never forget. However, in a few short years it will be a quarter of a century since it happened. That’s an entire generation - and maybe more, depending on how you define a generation - who were born afterwards. Unless they were born in the immediate area or we born into families that suffered a loss that day, it’s just not going to mean that much to them. I am by no means trying to minimize - it’s just the sad truth.

Being born decades after Pearl Harbor, I can appreciate the historical significance and the weight of the event but, having not been alive, it will never impact me the way it has those Americans who lived that day. It just is what it is.

I don’t think any of us Americans who were alive in 2001 will ever forget that day. On the other hand, someone born in 2005, who could already be considered an adult, is more than likely just not going to feel it like we did. Not trying to offend, just my two cents.
I can provide a little more insight into your post, which I think is correct. My birthday is Pearl Harbor Day, but the event itself was nearly 30 years before I was born (though not quite). I was only a kid -- 6 or 7 -- when I learned and understood what it was and what had happened, but I was simply unable to absorb the emotional impact of it. I knew it from grainy black-and-white footage, which in my color world, made it seem all the more ancient. That idea was confirmed by the fact that my parents had yet to be born on that day (though both did follow before the end of World War II).

I would mention it on my birthday and none of my friends knew what it was, probably into high school or whenever it eventually crossed their radar. Their parents understood my references to it, but I don't know if any were old enough to have actual recollections of it. Probably not, as I scan through the ones I remember and do the math. By 2001, Pearl Harbor Day had largely been relegated to the history books, documentary programs, and the world of war buffs.

Interestingly, 9/11 reinjected Pearl Harbor Day into the American conscience, perhaps because two newer generations finally had some emotional context for it. There is a pretty wide gulf between knowing intellectually that an event happened, and experiencing it -- even through distance or television. It was much easier then for me to process the horror of learning about an attack in real time, news unfolding over the course of a morning to reveal a ghastly reality I had, to that point, thought was beyond reality.

But that was 23 years ago. Still entirely too vivid to me, but I wonder about how a kid in high school experiences it. They don't recall it if they were born in, say, 2005. They know it like my father, born in 1945, knows Pearl Harbor (though he, as somewhat a of a war/air combat buff, does possess plenty of acquired knowledge of it). On the one hand, I think it's unfortunate that we struggle to impart the feelings of fear and outrage we felt that day upon them, but on the other hand, I envy them for never having experienced a day like that. God willing, they never will. However, in another generation, not many people will have firsthand recollections of 9/11, and the ones who do will be old folks. I was 30 then; should I live another 20 years, I'll be halfway through my seventies. Tempus fugit, and with it goes our collective memories.

A footnote about Pearl Harbor Day, though: From my perspective, there is a great and wider recognition of that event than there was in 2000. Memories of 9/11 seem to have re-elevated it in our public consciousness, even today. It's waning, but still seems to be at a higher level than I experienced as a kid. That's probably good.

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You got one phrase from 9 months ago. Can we take all of her positions from 9 months ago. She'll lose in a heartbeat if we go on everything she said 9 months ago.

She's been consistent since then on this issue.
How about 11 days ago?

"Hamas is an evil terrorist organization. With these murders, Hamas has even more American blood on its hands. I strongly condemn Hamas’ continued brutality, and so must the entire world. From its massacre of 1,200 people to sexual violence, taking of hostages, and these murders, Hamas’ depravity is evident and horrifying. The threat Hamas poses to the people of Israel—and American citizens in Israel—must be eliminated and Hamas cannot control Gaza."

Maybe it's more that she has also been critical of Israel and if they are doing enough to protect the innocent civilians in their bombings that bothers you?

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Right and she has said she wants Hamas defeated many times. You just want her to say something other than what she has already said. I'm just not sure what that is.

"Let me be also very clear, as I’ve said before: We cannot conflate Hamas with the Palestinian people. Hamas is a brutal terrorist organization. Hamas has vowed to repeat October 7 until Israel is annihilated. No nation could possibly live with such danger, which is why we support Israel’s legitimate military objectives to eliminate the threat of Hamas. "

You can seriously look at that and wonder who she wants to win?
You got one phrase from 9 months ago. Can we take all of her positions from 9 months ago. She'll lose in a heartbeat if we go on everything she said 9 months ago.

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You go with who you want to win the war and then deal with what you have to after. There's never going to be a solution that solves everything. We still had issues to deal with after every war we ever fought.

Right and she has said she wants Hamas defeated many times. You just want her to say something other than what she has already said. I'm just not sure what that is.

"Let me be also very clear, as I’ve said before: We cannot conflate Hamas with the Palestinian people. Hamas is a brutal terrorist organization. Hamas has vowed to repeat October 7 until Israel is annihilated. No nation could possibly live with such danger, which is why we support Israel’s legitimate military objectives to eliminate the threat of Hamas. "

You can seriously look at that and wonder who she wants to win?

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I agree, we should never forget. However, in a few short years it will be a quarter of a century since it happened. That’s an entire generation - and maybe more, depending on how you define a generation - who were born afterwards. Unless they were born in the immediate area or we born into families that suffered a loss that day, it’s just not going to mean that much to them. I am by no means trying to minimize - it’s just the sad truth.

Being born decades after Pearl Harbor, I can appreciate the historical significance and the weight of the event but, having not been alive, it will never impact me the way it has those Americans who lived that day. It just is what it is.

I don’t think any of us Americans who were alive in 2001 will ever forget that day. On the other hand, someone born in 2005, who could already be considered an adult, is more than likely just not going to feel it like we did. Not trying to offend, just my two cents.
This is very true, and you are by no means minimizing the events of that day. It’s just reality.

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Right - but assume you're talking about Chinese terrorists attacked and in response Russia starting talking about permanent occupation of Chinese land which is only going to make the situation between the two get worse.

The question of who you want to win all of a sudden becomes a little more nuanced. It's not as clear cut / black and white as you want it to be.
You go with who you want to win the war and then deal with what you have to after. There's never going to be a solution that solves everything. We still had issues to deal with after every war we ever fought.
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I hope we as a country never forget this day. Already it seems to be fading.
I agree, we should never forget. However, in a few short years it will be a quarter of a century since it happened. That’s an entire generation - and maybe more, depending on how you define a generation - who were born afterwards. Unless they were born in the immediate area or we born into families that suffered a loss that day, it’s just not going to mean that much to them. I am by no means trying to minimize - it’s just the sad truth.

Being born decades after Pearl Harbor, I can appreciate the historical significance and the weight of the event but, having not been alive, it will never impact me the way it has those Americans who lived that day. It just is what it is.

I don’t think any of us Americans who were alive in 2001 will ever forget that day. On the other hand, someone born in 2005, who could already be considered an adult, is more than likely just not going to feel it like we did. Not trying to offend, just my two cents.
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You're twisting her words to say what you want them to say. I just want her to flat out say it. If China invaded Russia tomorrow, I think you'd be for Russia's ability to defend itself. That wouldn't dictate who you want in the war.

Right - but assume you're talking about Chinese terrorists attacked and in response Russia starting talking about permanent occupation of Chinese land which is only going to make the situation between the two get worse.

The question of who you want to win all of a sudden becomes a little more nuanced. It's not as clear cut / black and white as you want it to be.

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Wanting Israel to win and for Palestine to exist with their own state was her answer.
I am not confused about where she stands.

What would have been an adequate statement for you?
I support Israel defeating Hamas.

You're twisting her words to say what you want them to say. Because if you can say where you quoted that first sentence from I'd be happy to see where she directly says it. All I want to see is her flat out say it. If China invaded Russia tomorrow, I think you'd be for Russia's ability to defend itself. That wouldn't dictate who you want in the war.

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's a little funny how people look at the 2 wars. Ukraine-Russia, just beat Russia there's no ifs, ands or buts. Israel-Hamas, well we want Israel to defeat Hamas but we want them to do it in such a way so we can thread the needle.

Wanting Israel to win and for Palestine to exist with their own state was her answer.
I am not confused about where she stands.

What would have been an adequate statement for you?

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This isn't as clear cut as a country vs a country because "I want Israel to win" can be interpreted as a win against Hamas, or a land takeover of Palestinian territory.

She wants Israel to defeat Hamas and a two state solution when it's over. I'm not sure what else you want her to say.

It's a little funny how people look at the 2 wars. Ukraine-Russia, just beat Russia there's no ifs, ands or buts. Israel-Hamas, well we want Israel to defeat Hamas but we want them to do it in such a way so we can thread the needle. She also didn't say I never met Putin. She mentioned he lies, but never said I didn't meet with Putin. It was almost like she avoided saying a full truth.

Speaking of Russia, surprised no pushback from Trump on Harris for her Putin would eat you for lunch comment. There's actually 4 years of record. We really don't have to imagine. Surprised Trump didn't make her explain how Putin ate him for lunch the first time around.
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