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Yes. The reporting is changed and not all cities responded so they are not included in the FBI report, though they do still report it. Just need to look it up elsewhere if your curious about city by city... That said many cities were included are have been showing decreases. There will be some increases as well but overall crime is on a downward trend since 2020. Weather than decrease ends up at 15% or 5% once the data is no longer preliminary, it is still going to show a decrease. Not rising through the roof.
You don’t know that. You can go back 3 years LA and NYC have not been reporting in the entire time this administration has been in office. You can’t objectively say it has decreased just like Trump can’t say it’s rising through the roof. The data is materially incomplete.
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I’m not sure how it is discussed in school back in the area but down here in Texas my fifth grader’s class read a book about 9/11 and learned about it in school. My daughter knew all about it from me through the years and even brought in a picture of the front page of The Setonian I had with the picture of the city from campus on the from page. But for kids outside the New York area, it’s definitely a history lesson as most have no connection to it in any way. Even the thought of New York City is as this big place far away that many have never and will never visit.

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will never not be disheartened by the commitment to both sidesing this batshit dictator-loving anti-democratic self-proclaimed wanna be dictator never stops lying liar - like, tribalism—I get it—but can't you set that aside in this the most extreme of cases? This narcissistic convictionless criminal whose only interest is his self interest and who fawns over our enemies should be beyond the pale for anyone who identifies as a patriotic American
Equally disheartening is a candidate who was never democratically nominated but appointed by the elites of a party. Not sure if it’s the least democratic and American thing to witness but it’s up there.

But let’s add to the disheartening and include a human being was shot at and we have basically given up on finding out information on his assassination as a country. Everyone played dumb on Capitol Hill and eventually it’s been swept under the rug.

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will never not be disheartened by the commitment to both sidesing this batshit dictator-loving anti-democratic self-proclaimed wanna be dictator never stops lying liar - like, tribalism—I get it—but can't you set that aside in this the most extreme of cases? This narcissistic convictionless criminal whose only interest is his self interest and who fawns over our enemies should be beyond the pale for anyone who identifies as a patriotic American

9/11 Thread

I can provide a little more insight into your post, which I think is correct. My birthday is Pearl Harbor Day, but the event itself was nearly 30 years before I was born (though not quite). I was only a kid -- 6 or 7 -- when I learned and understood what it was and what had happened, but I was simply unable to absorb the emotional impact of it. I knew it from grainy black-and-white footage, which in my color world, made it seem all the more ancient. That idea was confirmed by the fact that my parents had yet to be born on that day (though both did follow before the end of World War II).

I would mention it on my birthday and none of my friends knew what it was, probably into high school or whenever it eventually crossed their radar. Their parents understood my references to it, but I don't know if any were old enough to have actual recollections of it. Probably not, as I scan through the ones I remember and do the math. By 2001, Pearl Harbor Day had largely been relegated to the history books, documentary programs, and the world of war buffs.

Interestingly, 9/11 reinjected Pearl Harbor Day into the American conscience, perhaps because two newer generations finally had some emotional context for it. There is a pretty wide gulf between knowing intellectually that an event happened, and experiencing it -- even through distance or television. It was much easier then for me to process the horror of learning about an attack in real time, news unfolding over the course of a morning to reveal a ghastly reality I had, to that point, thought was beyond reality.

But that was 23 years ago. Still entirely too vivid to me, but I wonder about how a kid in high school experiences it. They don't recall it if they were born in, say, 2005. They know it like my father, born in 1945, knows Pearl Harbor (though he, as somewhat a of a war/air combat buff, does possess plenty of acquired knowledge of it). On the one hand, I think it's unfortunate that we struggle to impart the feelings of fear and outrage we felt that day upon them, but on the other hand, I envy them for never having experienced a day like that. God willing, they never will. However, in another generation, not many people will have firsthand recollections of 9/11, and the ones who do will be old folks. I was 30 then; should I live another 20 years, I'll be halfway through my seventies. Tempus fugit, and with it goes our collective memories.

A footnote about Pearl Harbor Day, though: From my perspective, there is a great and wider recognition of that event than there was in 2000. Memories of 9/11 seem to have re-elevated it in our public consciousness, even today. It's waning, but still seems to be at a higher level than I experienced as a kid. That's probably good.
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. There’s a lot to consider in that post.

My folks were also born in the same decade, a few years after the war ended. My father is a fairly big history buff and he passed that on to me. I can remember listening to the audiobook of Walter Lord’s Day of Infamy in the car on one of our family vacations when I was still a little kid. It was all very fascinating to me, but I never really experienced the tragedy of the event. Like you said, it was history book stuff. And, in a way, it was all tied up in a nice bow because a few years later the war was over and we had won. I suppose 9/11 has the dubious distinction of not being tied up in a bow. Yes, some of the people who were responsible eventually paid…..but was anything won? I suppose different people would argue either side of that.

As hard as it is to imagine, 9/11 is probably destined to one day be history book stuff too. I have actually thought about how history teachers will approach it, and have lively discussions about the event many decades after it happened - the same way our history teachers got worked up over huge course altering events in history. I imagine the kids in those classes will have the same interested, yet distant feelings as when Pearl Harbor or the Kennedy assassination were discussed in our classes.
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they only fact checked his absolute outrageous statements like babies being aborted after birth. get real.

Pirate Pride response:
Some abortions result in the baby actually surviving. A rare occurence no doubt but the Democrats would not vote for a republican Bill to ensure that a baby that does survive an abortion is given life saving treatment. The governor of W Virginia that Trump mentioned wanted to be able to take steps to refuse medical treatments to save the Child. It's a complicated situation that Trump IMO did not verbalize clearly enough and the female moderator even took it another step to call him out by saying that no state has a law that allows them to kill a baby if born... that's actually what the W Virginia gov wanted...... but that's not what Trump was saying.

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The moderator excuse is the equivalent to getting on a game thread and blaming the refs.

Sure, they could’ve thrown a few more fact checks Harris’s way if they were inclined to. But that doesn’t excuse Trump’s total lack of preparation. The slightest bit of discipline and he could’ve fact checked her himself or called out her non answers to various questions. Instead his meltdown made her mediocre performance look like JFK vs. Nixon.

If he loses this election he will have no one to blame but himself. Totally fumbled this.

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I agree, we should never forget. However, in a few short years it will be a quarter of a century since it happened. That’s an entire generation - and maybe more, depending on how you define a generation - who were born afterwards. Unless they were born in the immediate area or we born into families that suffered a loss that day, it’s just not going to mean that much to them. I am by no means trying to minimize - it’s just the sad truth.

Being born decades after Pearl Harbor, I can appreciate the historical significance and the weight of the event but, having not been alive, it will never impact me the way it has those Americans who lived that day. It just is what it is.

I don’t think any of us Americans who were alive in 2001 will ever forget that day. On the other hand, someone born in 2005, who could already be considered an adult, is more than likely just not going to feel it like we did. Not trying to offend, just my two cents.
While you’re likely right it doesn’t make it right.

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This might be the reason she needs the second debate. 6 of 10 undecided voters going Trump's way after last night. Did people feel he was being treated unfair being fact checked and nothing Harris said was fact checked? His numbers increase every time the system seems to be against him. Did people walk out still clueless as to what she believes? Do people still think they were better 4-8 years ago than they do now?
To be clear, this was 10 people total. I thought maybe that "6 of 10" was a fraction of the total number of undecided voters they surveyed, but no. I don't necessarily think the Harris campaign is losing sleep or desperately seeking another debate over a sample size of 10 undecided voters (three of whom sided with Harris, and one still undecided) compared to the rest of the post-debate reaction.

Going back to Charlottesville that Jake Tapper has debunked about 10 times for about 7 years isn’t outrageous? Ok
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