nutterforthree said:

Honestly, I have no inside information, but Harmon has the most productive college experience coming here. He was definitely told he would play major minutes, and then all the stuff with Dual happened and he was placed on the back burner.

I’m sure Harmon was pissed about it

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I'm not sure that is right about what was conveyed to Harmon. My recall of this over the summer was that we had an offer to Harmon "on hold" pending whether we could snag a few better PG options the staff was chasing. We missed on all those kids, and took Harmon. But still didn't stop recruiting, and got Dual. So, I don't think Harmon was promised anything about major minutes.

On the other hand, I have no doubt Dual was told he'd have an opportunity for major minutes with the ball in his hands, because otherwise he wouldn't be here. I know people aren't happy with him through 2 games, but this is a kid who rightly or wrongly is clearly looking to get to the next level as quickly as possible. He even flirted with it this year despite a subpar freshman season at Providence, and he's been on the NBA radar since he blew up his senior year in HS, which is why his recruitment out of HS was so hotly contested between Providence and Gtown (once Cooley left Prov, I believe), and why it was considered a major coup for Kim English to hang onto him out of prep because some thought he'd be following Cooley to DC.

nutterforthree said:

Honestly, I have no inside information, but Harmon has the most productive college experience coming here. He was definitely told he would play major minutes, and then all the stuff with Dual happened and he was placed on the back burner.

I’m sure Harmon was pissed about it

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Seems like Shaheen fell victim to the same thing scouts do. Wanting and then playing players based off their “measurables” rather than talent.

Dual and Middleton do not play like former top 50 players, what gets me most is they had Dual as an NBA Draft pick, he cant hit any shots and looks lost, Middletown started off slow at OSU last season then did much better in the end ..... either way I think they both are as confused as I was during a chemistry experiment and need to "get it" once they do just maybe they will get it going...

The Crows Nest said:

Why, unlike on football, do teams not copy what successful teams do?

I get that we don’t have the same talent level as these teams, but why not study tape of UConn, Creighton, the Jay Wright Villanova, etc., to copy what they run on offense. It works!!! They get open looks constantly.

Again, I’m not saying we’d make shots at the same rate as those teams…but at least we’d get good opportunities.

Instead we kill 2/3 of the shot clock out at the logo…that’s…beyond absurd

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We watched jay wright use basic things to get shooters open shots and never copied him. Willard didnt. Now sha. Like real basic. Yesterday, how about ball reversal. Not in our vocabulary. Instead those passes at the top of the key that waste 8 seconds and then...

NYShoreGuy said:

Red states missouri and alaska this very week had plurality voting to increase minimum wage and have paid sick leave...those are left leaning ideaologies the last time i checked

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left leaning and woke are 2 different things last time I checked. Kamala lost 3.4 million votes according to CNN this morning. More people in blue states aren’t happy. States like NJ could really be in play next governor and president race.

Section112 said:

Welcome to the republic. It’s not a country where just NY and Cali and the MSM determine the way people think. Maybe it was a push back from some of the woke policies and left leaning direction and the salad lady ( a horrible candidate) couldn’t get it done.

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Red states missouri and alaska this very week had plurality voting to increase minimum wage and have paid sick leave...those are left leaning ideaologies the last time i checked

Halldan1 said:

Could not agree more. Harmon must play more minutes. He's also a really good defender.

I'm starting to wonder if there is something else going on.

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Honestly, I have no inside information, but Harmon has the most productive college experience coming here. He was definitely told he would play major minutes, and then all the stuff with Dual happened and he was placed on the back burner.

I’m sure Harmon was pissed about it

Halldan1 said:

Could not agree more. Harmon must play more minutes. He's also a really good defender.

I'm starting to wonder if there is something else going on.

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Season long doghouse?

Piratz said:

It’s early and idk if anyone here has turned over a team either in sports or business or whether, but it takes time to reach good efficiency and effectiveness. The hope was the individual talent could’ve bailed us out against inferior teams but nope.

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Very sensible take. You have SOME nerve posting such a reasonable thought.

ivyhillparkk1963 said:

The irony was the kid hitting that buzzer shot was part of the UNLV team that got their doors blown off at walsh NIT game last year .

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Interesting

SHUisNJsTeam said:

Reality.

The university continues to cater to the big money people. Those small donations add up and help attract others as well. You can reach out to both and be successful but we only reach out to one side.

If you always do what you’ve always done you’ll always get what you always got.

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I see it the other way. The university keeps prodding at the small potatoes and can’t break thru with the big guys.. where’s Samuel Dalembert, Adrian Griffin, Andre Barret, Mo Vaughn, Craig Biggio, etc etc etc. did they all make anonymous donations?

We are getting NOWHERE close to Alabama, Texas, Duke, UNC, and anybody else by doing what we’re doing and there’s basically nothing we can do.

Pretty convenient that Alabama has become a top 10 program in basketball since NIL huh.

The NCAA needs a complete overhaul of its divisions, it’s the only chance.

The good news is now we have a chance to make America great again.

HallGuy23 said:

What world are you living in

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Reality.

The university continues to cater to the big money people. Those small donations add up and help attract others as well. You can reach out to both and be successful but we only reach out to one side.

If you always do what you’ve always done you’ll always get what you always got.

Run Donny run

silkcitypirate said:

I have been saying this all year long . We have a big problem scoring .

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Seems to be a multi sport issue

Very disappointing end to a season that started so well. Hard to believe that you get to 8th in country, and miss the tournament.

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The sky is not falling. The team will improve. How much? Not sure. Our offense is anemic.

Ferreri22 said:

I gave up hope last March when we didnt get in. What is the best that we can do, in all seriousness, not just this year but in any year moving forward? 11-9, 12-8? Last year’s team was the last chance. There’s just no way that’s happening and even if it does, what does that get us an 11 seed, in Dayton? Yippee, like what’s the point? Just relegate yourself to the A-10, or whatever Mid-Major, at least that way you’ll be more competitive and have more chances to make the tourny, I guess.

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I wrote the same exact thing after this season. If 13 wins in the Big East makes you a bubble team we’re screwed. Some years you get left out and then when you do get in you get a terrible draw.

Only way to avoid that is be highly ranked in the pre season and play solid all year. But with NIL will SHU ever be highly ranked in the preseason again?

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SHUisNJsTeam said:

We can absolutely be competitive and get what we need and more but things MUST change! We need to become leaders, not followers and certainly not spectators. We cannot keep doing the same thing we’ve always done, which wasn’t working to begin with, and expecting different results. Hopefully Msgr. Riley wants something other than status quo!

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What world are you living in

We are not reaching out to season tickets holder families with kids. We aren't including the casual fans. We are only catering to the diehards with disposable funds and we don't have enough of those to matter. I bought a hat. I have a few small children. I can't go on lavish trips and golf outings. I would love to pay to take my family to see a practice or scrimmage and meet the team. Not bing them to a bar at six figures a person. Families are not involved at all. That is the heart of Seton Hall. I don't know who the hell this team is and that hasn't happened in 30 years I have been a season ticket holder.