According to Biden you don't have to denounce white supremacy based on his theory it's an idea not an organization.
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I am ok with losing the dedicated, intelligent, hard-working professional politicians for new dedicated, intelligent, hard-working politicians not in it to stay forever and make a fortune from big donors and lobbyists. And I don't trust the American electorate. I think you're overstating the need for experience on the world stage. Can you name any of the members of Parliament in Canada? This country was born with a group of rabble who just fought a revolution volunteering to convene every so often to govern the country, and then returned to their silversmith jobs.
The lies and made-up figures were off the charts. Anyone have a link to the fact-checking tally?
Biden also refused to answer a direct challenge that Trump threw at him, and I can't remember what it was. I thought he should have answered it, too. I'm tired.
Nothing more to add about how horrendous that was last night. Trying to reflect this morning, I ask the question does it change anything. Just by reading this thread it doesn't sound like it's changed anyone's opinion on who they might vote.
That was so bad last night, the only thing that might happen is that fewer people go to the polls and vote altogether.
The one bizzaro stat I heard driving in this morning is that 2/3 of Telemundo viewers thought Trump won the debate. https://www.newsweek.com/66-percent...undo-poll-think-trump-just-won-debate-1535176
That was so bad last night, the only thing that might happen is that fewer people go to the polls and vote altogether.
The one bizzaro stat I heard driving in this morning is that 2/3 of Telemundo viewers thought Trump won the debate. https://www.newsweek.com/66-percent...undo-poll-think-trump-just-won-debate-1535176
I don't think last night changed who people will vote for as much as it changed will they vote at all
Court packing. It was a shameful dodge by Biden.
I thought Biden should have said no to court packing right there. Biden threw FBI director Wray’s words right back at Trump saying it is more of an ideology than organization. Meaning there is no organized hierarchy.
However, the whole Trump signal to the Proud Boys to stand down u til when they are needed was frightening and dangerous. The Proud Boys responded today by Twitter. Trump is who he is - A vile, low class fraud. As someone who has great respect for the institutions of this country, it sickens me to see what this man has done to the Office of the Presidency. We have never seen a President behave in the manner of Trump. There is a reason for it. The respect each of his predecessors had for the Office. Trump has no such respect or reverence of the Office. It’s just about him.
Hate is an ideology not an organization. Should no president condemn hate? It was just a really stupid approach by Biden especially because white supremacy is an ideology not an organization and something he should want to challenge Trump on. But based on his own response it makes it impossible because he would be giving Trump an easy out.
No surprise the media is running with this - they fuel the fire by providing attention to organizations like that. But if you watch the tape (and I thought so live, too), Trump clearly misspoke. He was tongue tied, similar to when he used the term "herd mentality" for herd immunity in a recent public appearance. This is what happens when we have elderly people in important positions.
So if he wasn’t tongue tied, you admit this was an abhorrent message and thing to say?
Not sure where u get the tongue tied thing from. He was asked to denounce them abd he gave them an order to stand down and stand by. That’s not denouncing them. That’s not being tongue tied. He has already stated that he is not going to accept the election. That was a signal to them to wait u til after the elections. As I predicted, Biden will win and Trump will release his dogs and there will be violence. The Proud Boys themselves took it as an order and message.
Not sure where u get the tongue tied thing from. He was asked to denounce them abd he gave them an order to stand down and stand by. That’s not denouncing them. That’s not being tongue tied. He has already stated that he is not going to accept the election. That was a signal to them to wait u til after the elections. As I predicted, Biden will win and Trump will release his dogs and there will be violence. The Proud Boys themselves took it as an order and message.
Yes, but I believe he misspoke about "standing by." When asked, the first thing he said was, "sure."
If Trump loses (and he probably will), the only violence will be crazy people on both sides looking for an excuse to riot. The transition may very well be bumpy, but he will leave office on January 20. To suggest otherwise is nothing other than an unfounded conspiracy theory.
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We'll never be able to settle it, but if you think the violence would be worse with a Biden victory compared with a Trump re-election, I would wager anything you'd like. I think there's going to be riots as they try to vet Judge Barrett.
trump was pretending to be confused so he could put the "comdenation" in wallaces mouth. thats why he asked him to define it. he knew what he was doing. he wasnt confused, just grasping at straws to not have to blast white supremacists
I’m not saying he won’t leave office on Jan 20. But, he is not going to go quietly. He will contest the election and he will stir up his right wing attack dogs that this was a coup or a fraud and that the left is stealing the election so “we” have to fight. There will be that message and there will be violence.
You act as if he has shadowy groups seemingly on call to incite violence. Another conspiracy theory.
So exactly like all the left-wing violence we have been seeing for the last 6 months??
...and the implicit threats of violence they promise on the SCOTUS nomination and in the case of the Trump re-election...
I love how Antifa "isn't real," but the Boogaloo Boys and Proud Boys are registered domestic terrorists.
Here is the bottom line. They both had an opportunity to denounce domestic terrorists and neither took the opportunity, showing you that both men will do anything for votes and how bad our choices really are.
Exactly. This is exactly where I think Trump screwed up. I think we all we're waiting to see if Biden could talk like a real politician or if he would tell us 2/3 of our country died of the virus. Trump should not have interrupted Biden at all. The goal was to get Biden to stay stupid stuff like Antifa isn't an organization. Granted Biden was using that as a quote, but it's still a ridiculous statement. The more Biden talks, the more likely he is to make an idiot of himself. The more Trump interrupts Biden, the less chance he has to make an idiot of himself. The strategy of Trump was stupid.
@shu09 is cern a conspiracy theorist or spk? in my observations theres been much more noise over liberal inciters. is that true but right wing inciters false?
I don't think either of the posters you mentioned are that. Not sure what you're talking about.
No one said Antifa isn’t real and are a problem as well. I don't see Biden encouraging Antifa to go out and do violence.
To be fair... Biden whiffed on that one.
His strategy was to say that the director of the FBI believes that white supremist groups are a bigger threat but completely missed the mark in my opinion.
He did say violence is never appropriate, but in that moment he seemed weak on antifa. No reason to get into the weeds debating if they are an organized group or not.
No question he knew what he was doing; he had to ask "what question do you want me to answer?" um...the one he just asked maybe? He knew what he was answering.
Like when he was asked, "So did you only pay $750 in Federal Income Taxes for 2016 and 2017?" And he said he paid millions....um...is he also being "stupid" here, or lying, or.....?
Or when he was asked to turn over his tax returns, he brought out his tried and true "I will"....yeah we know...you "will" for the past 4 years! Honestly I think he believes most Americans, or at least his supporters, aren't bright enough to see thru this BS. He plays his "audience" for fools....
Lets hope he is shown otherwise in November....
I don't see Trump encouraging right wing groups to be violent. Heck he hasn't even had an Obama get in your neighbor's face moment. The problem is neither candidate criticized and condemned the extremes on their side.
This to me is the dumbest thing ever. People on the left call out Amazon for not paying any federal income tax. Last election we were talking about the carried interest loophole. There are so many breaks the mega wealthy get, we've known it for years. Should Trump be punished for doing what he is legally allowed to do? Who on this website tells their accountant, don't take the deduction even though I'm entitled to it? Who on here is a tax preparer and has had clients come in saying don't take the deductions? The tax code and the system are the problem more than the people taking advantage of it. I'm sure Gates, Bezos, Cuban, and all the sharks on shark tank, along with their friends are not walking into their accountants office demanding not to take a loss as a deduction or demanding to pay more because the tax code is broken.
Did he pay more? maybe. It's a stupid thing to lie about if he didn't. I'd be curious to see if Pelosi, Schumar, McConnell, Romney, etc don't take the same deductions. The real issue is the tax code, not whether or not he maximized it to his benefit. Every person maximizes to their advantage. It's a reason people move out of NJ to Florida, Delaware, and Arizona. Heck if the tax code isn't working for corporations, they'll move. See the NYSE potentially moving out of NJ. And how many individuals will move out of NJ because of the new millionaire's tax being placed on the books yesterday?
The problem here is you’re trying to apply logic to a total shit show. Looking back the debate from the start Trump was trying to bully Biden and paint him as a socialist. Biden was trying to be dismissive of Trump with his smirks and head shakes.
There were no positions, plans or facts. Just trying to paint the other guy is a disaster. There was nothing challenging in any of Wallace‘s questions. They both should’ve had great canned responses.
We turn into these debates and expect both candidates to lay out their plan for the next four years. We should know better. It’s just a show to say vote for me because the other guy sucks. They can’t even answer the simplest questions about condemning organizations like antifa or the proud boys. And we know why. But keep rewarding abhorrent behavior and expect a different outcome. Good luck.
The real issue is the optics of a person who is running as an "ultra successful billionaire", who loses lots of money on his businesses, and pays less federal income tax than most any American. And Trump knows it, or he would have turned over the tax returns long ago....
And in fact if I were him...now that the gig is up...I would turn them over, and try to turn it into the positive you spin above....at this point everyone knows the numbers....without turning them over, he continues to show he has something to hide...
Then people looking at the optics are clueless. Do you know there are special tax laws that only mega wealthy people can take advantage of. Do you know that the Los Angeles Angels owners are depreciating Mike Trout's contract over 2.5 years. So over 10 years they'll pay him $400 million, but the owners are expensing over $150 million of just his salary in the first year? Are they dumb business people if they take a loss this year and carry it over or are they still ultra successful business people? The system allows this. Who wouldn't take the loss and carry it over?
Really? I was more shocked by his ineffectiveness than by Trump's middle-school behavior. And that might not be fair to middle-schoolers.
Biden gets a B; Trump earned a D-. Wallace was a huge disappointment.
Watched for 45 minutes. Glad the Yankee game wasn't close and I didn't miss much action. Can't imagine anyone else moderating future debates, nor Trump willing to accept being muted.
Watched about a sentence of Sean Hannity. Said "Trump steamrolled Biden." Who wants a completely out-or-control steamroller with his finger on the nuclear bomb?
Watched for 45 minutes. Glad the Yankee game wasn't close and I didn't miss much action. Can't imagine anyone else moderating future debates, nor Trump willing to accept being muted.
Watched about a sentence of Sean Hannity. Said "Trump steamrolled Biden." Who wants a completely out-or-control steamroller with his finger on the nuclear bomb?
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Trump was awful, but he's brought peace deals to middle East. The nuclear bomb line is so off.
Interesting that it was watched by 10 million fewer than the first Trump/Clinton debate. You would think with little campaigning and everyone stuck at home, that ratings would have been higher. Prelude to voter turnout?
