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2024-25 Equality Games

Because Big East teams can absolutely go on the road now and then.

Being in the Big East, or any conference really, doesn’t equate to royalty.
Again, it's not a matter of going on the road. It's a matter of strategic scheduling. Can we play this game? Sure. Is this an intelligent game to schedule based on risk/reward and what the committee values in terms of resume sheet? No, not even remotely close.

Scheduling and metric manipulation has become an art (for lack of a better term) and this game is a kindergartner finger painting.
 
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Again, it's not a matter of going on the road. It's a matter of strategic scheduling. Can we play this game? Sure. Is this an intelligent game to schedule based on risk/reward and what the committee values in terms of resume sheet? No, not even remotely close.

Scheduling and metric manipulation has become an art (for lack of a better term) and this game is a kindergartner finger painting.
You can’t say that without knowing the dynamics of the overall schedule …. The placing of games, the availability of dates, the willingness of teams to play…. Scheduling is so much more complicated to this than it seems. And there are elements to this that we just don’t know.
 
Anyone know if this is a one game deal, or can we assume SHU is getting return game(s) from Hofstra as part of this game?
 
You can’t say that without knowing the dynamics of the overall schedule …. The placing of games, the availability of dates, the willingness of teams to play…. Scheduling is so much more complicated to this than it seems. And there are elements to this that we just don’t know.
That's why I said in my earlier post "I hope there is more to this, because on the surface this makes no sense." It's very possible there's more than meets the eye here. However, assuming our hand wasn't forced the game makes no sense. Any dispute to that demonstrates an extreme lack of understanding of how metrics work.

Anyone know if this is a one game deal, or can we assume SHU is getting return game(s) from Hofstra as part of this game?
This is a one-off neutral site game.
 
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Again, it's not a matter of going on the road. It's a matter of strategic scheduling. Can we play this game? Sure. Is this an intelligent game to schedule based on risk/reward and what the committee values in terms of resume sheet? No, not even remotely close.

Scheduling and metric manipulation has become an art (for lack of a better term) and this game is a kindergartner finger painting.
This will be a higher rated NET game than home against the cupcakes and there should be no danger of losing. If there's danger in losing this game then you are not an NCAA team.

And so far the rest of the OOC is Rutgersy charmin soft.
 
Because Big East teams can absolutely go on the road now and then.

Being in the Big East, or any conference really, doesn’t equate to royalty.

I looked at the non-conference slates for Big East teams that have been announced so far. Georgetown, St. John's, DePaul, Creigton, Butler, and Xavier are not playing any mid-major teams away or on neutral sites this year.

Providence is playing two such games: @ Rhode Island (A-10), and St. Bonaventure (A-10) @ Mohegan Sun in Connecticut.

Marquette is playing at Dayton (A-10) to close out their non-con slate in return for a visit by Dayton to Milwaukee in 25-26.

Villanova's full schedule has not been announced but it is playing at St. Joe's (A-10) as part of the Big 5. UConn has not released its full schedule yet.
 
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There must be a good payday for playing this game.
There's no way there's a good payday for playing this game, and I wouldnt be surprised if SHU tries to get out of this contract with it being moved to Coliseum. There will be 2,000 people in the stands for this game, we know UBS is desperate for events and so is the Coliseum but I cannot imagine them being able to give each team 50+k guarantee to play it there and even come close to even.
SHU would be better off doing a 2 for 1 deal with Hofstra, 1 at Walsh 1 at Prudential and 1 true road, then you'd maximize NET rating possibilities.
It's not beating a dead horse, the math on this makes zero sense.
 
The 44 group, which is sponsoring the event, writes this on their website:

In the ever-changing NIL landscape, we are working with college athletic departments on a range of issues from establishing school-specific NIL infrastructures to compliance and revenue generation strategies.

We are excited to announce that we have created a first-of-its-kind wine program aimed at helping schools create a new source of NIL revenue, while giving alumni, donors, supporters, and the broader school community
a wine label of their own.
 

EQUALITY GAMES​

Featuring teams led by minority head coaches in each matchup. Emphasis on promoting social equality as we celebrate the participating minority coaches and recognize the impact of legends such as John McLendon, Clarence “Big House” Gaines, John Thompson Jr., John Chaney, Nolan Richardson, and others.


From website.
https://44grp.com/equality-games
 
There's no way there's a good payday for playing this game, and I wouldnt be surprised if SHU tries to get out of this contract with it being moved to Coliseum. There will be 2,000 people in the stands for this game, we know UBS is desperate for events and so is the Coliseum but I cannot imagine them being able to give each team 50+k guarantee to play it there and even come close to even.
SHU would be better off doing a 2 for 1 deal with Hofstra, 1 at Walsh 1 at Prudential and 1 true road, then you'd maximize NET rating possibilities.
It's not beating a dead horse, the math on this makes zero sense.
That’s why it may be due to finding a team to match up with on a date suitable for both sides. Scheduling is really harder than it seems.
 
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That’s why it may be due to finding a team to match up with on a date suitable for both sides. Scheduling is really harder than it seems.
No doubt that scheduling has become tougher with coaches now being extremely stubborn and chickensh!t. Look at all the Div 1s playing D2/D3s/NAIA for game 1 of their season last year. These coaches will play 2 closed-door exhibitions vs Div 1s to "get ready" for the season, but then turn the lights on and play a D2/D3/NAIA blowout and waste everyone's time, and even the kids know it's a joke.
I dont mind Sha playing Hofstra at all- a good midmajor, but the structure of this game is poorly executed.
The Equality Games is all fine and dandy, except how are they going to make any $ or what guarantees are they giving the teams, specifically SHU? A crowd of 2k is going to make this be a Sean Grennan-type 1 and done.
 
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This will be a higher rated NET game than home against the cupcakes and there should be no danger of losing. If there's danger in losing this game then you are not an NCAA team.

And so far the rest of the OOC is Rutgersy charmin soft.
But it won’t be higher than playing Hofstra at Hofstra, which would only take a couple of whacks at a golf ball to reach from the Coliseum.

The point is that playing Hofstra at a neutral venue 3 miles from their campus is not as favorable as playing away at their campus.
 
But it won’t be higher than playing Hofstra at Hofstra, which would only take a couple of whacks at a golf ball to reach from the Coliseum.

The point is that playing Hofstra at a neutral venue 3 miles from their campus is not as favorable as playing away at their campus.
And also about 10,000 seats less. Not that it's going to be sold out at the coliseum, but more pirate fans can go if they choose. I'll guess they would sell this one out at Hofstra and it would be much bigger home court advantage.
 
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And also about 10,000 seats less. Not that it's going to be sold out at the coliseum, but more pirate fans can go if they choose. I'll guess they would sell this one out at Hofstra and it would be much bigger home court advantage.
I don’t believe number of fans factors into NET. The point still stands that it is done with a complete lack of understanding of the metrics.
 
I don’t believe number of fans factors into NET. The point still stands that it is done with a complete lack of understanding of the metrics.
There’s other reasons than just metrics that factor in. Why play the cupcakes at home? Wouldn’t the metrics be better on the road? Or do we let revenue generated factor in? If you only factor in metrics we shouldn’t play one out of conference home game.
 
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EQUALITY GAMES​

Featuring teams led by minority head coaches in each matchup. Emphasis on promoting social equality as we celebrate the participating minority coaches and recognize the impact of legends such as John McLendon, Clarence “Big House” Gaines, John Thompson Jr., John Chaney, Nolan Richardson, and others.


From website.
https://44grp.com/equality-games

Certainly, a worthy cause and a great matchup, one that I am actually looking forward to given the great job Speedy has done there. But I do echo everything that has been said about the metrics. In a perfect world this would be a Saturday matinee game at Barclays or UBS.
 
The 44 group, which is sponsoring the event, writes this on their website:

In the ever-changing NIL landscape, we are working with college athletic departments on a range of issues from establishing school-specific NIL infrastructures to compliance and revenue generation strategies.

We are excited to announce that we have created a first-of-its-kind wine program aimed at helping schools create a new source of NIL revenue, while giving alumni, donors, supporters, and the broader school community
a wine label of their own.
If there is some sort of NIL revenue factor for SHU involved with this game, that would seem to make it more understandable why we agreed to it. But due to expected interest/attendance, cannot see it being a big revenue generator.
 
And also about 10,000 seats less. Not that it's going to be sold out at the coliseum, but more pirate fans can go if they choose. I'll guess they would sell this one out at Hofstra and it would be much bigger home court advantage.
Hofstra's venue looks like seats 5200, and they never, ever sell that out. I doubt Seton Hall there would even sell it out but they might get 4500 for a Big East team but it would be a true road game and environment as opposed to the Coliseum, which will feel more like a neutral site tournament game far away from home.
 
But it won’t be higher than playing Hofstra at Hofstra, which would only take a couple of whacks at a golf ball to reach from the Coliseum.

The point is that playing Hofstra at a neutral venue 3 miles from their campus is not as favorable as playing away at their campus.
Agree. You either go all-in and play the game at Hofstra so its a Road game for the metrics or you play it at a Neutral site in NYC or NJ so Seton Hall fans will attend, you get more attendance and a more friendly environment while still getting the Metric-benefit of a Neutral Site instead of a Home game.

Play the neutral-site game at NJIT. Make Hofstra travel to us in a packed gym with 3500 Seton Hall fans.
 
I would imagine this game might get a good tv platform.

Peacock GIF by Nat Geo Wild
 
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There’s other reasons than just metrics that factor in. Why play the cupcakes at home? Wouldn’t the metrics be better on the road? Or do we let revenue generated factor in? If you only factor in metrics we shouldn’t play one out of conference home game.
Do you not understand that the original point isn’t talking about cupcakes at home vs road games?

If you’re going to play essentially at Hofstra (3 miles from campus), why not play at Hofstra?

The comparison was a road game vs a “neutral” game, which is essentially a home game for them. You are bringing up home games. Logic isn’t your forte.
 
Agree. You either go all-in and play the game at Hofstra so its a Road game for the metrics or you play it at a Neutral site in NYC or NJ so Seton Hall fans will attend, you get more attendance and a more friendly environment while still getting the Metric-benefit of a Neutral Site instead of a Home game.

Play the neutral-site game at NJIT. Make Hofstra travel to us in a packed gym with 3500 Seton Hall fans.
Thank you for your understanding.
 
Do you not understand that the original point isn’t talking about cupcakes at home vs road games?

If you’re going to play essentially at Hofstra (3 miles from campus), why not play at Hofstra?

The comparison was a road game vs a “neutral” game, which is essentially a home game for them. You are bringing up home games. Logic isn’t your forte.
Anybody, any time, anywhere. A big east team worrying about its metrics in a game vs Hofstra is living in Loserville. It’s really that simple. Win your games in the big east and the metrics will work themselves out on their own. A big east team talking about metrics of a neutral site game or road game vs a CAA team. Is this seriously happening?
 
Anybody, any time, anywhere. A big east team worrying about its metrics in a game vs Hofstra is living in Loserville. It’s really that simple. Win your games in the big east and the metrics will work themselves out on their own. A big east team talking about metrics of a neutral site game or road game vs a CAA team. Is this seriously happening?
Jeez, you’re thick just to stomp your feet and make a point.

Did we not get in the tournament last year, despite a 13-7 BE record, because of OUR METRICS?

You must be lock-step with everything Sha says and does because it is absolutely asinine not to make scheduling decisions based on metrics, win or lose.

Gotta believe you work in the athletic department and toe the line.
 
This will be a higher rated NET game than home against the cupcakes and there should be no danger of losing. If there's danger in losing this game then you are not an NCAA team.

And so far the rest of the OOC is Rutgersy charmin soft.
Totally agree. The weeping and gnashing of teeth over this game is pathetic andfrankly embarrassing. Geez, just go win it like we should. Boy, do I hate the off-season and the silliness that enrages otherwise sane and loyal fans.
 
Anybody, any time, anywhere. A big east team worrying about its metrics in a game vs Hofstra is living in Loserville. It’s really that simple. Win your games in the big east and the metrics will work themselves out on their own. A big east team talking about metrics of a neutral site game or road game vs a CAA team. Is this seriously happening?
We are in full agreement....which rarely happens!
 
I thought we hit on a solid scheduling template after we won the BET in 2016 and re-established ourselves as a relevant program. I believe that basic template still works.

Participate in a MTE, play a Big 12 opponent, play RU, play one-half of a P4 home-and-home (or a one-off neutral site game) and five home cupcakes. It looks as if Hofstra is that one-off game though it really should be considered a home game for them.

With that said here is what our expected non-conference schedule looks like -- as I understand it -- with last season's NET in parenthesis.

St. Peter's (188)
Wagner (290)
NJIT (330)
Monmouth (193)
at Hofstra (112)
at Rutgers (103)
Oklahoma State (123)
TBA
Charleston:
Drake (47)
Florida Atlantic (39)
Miami (101)
Nevada (34)
Vanderbilt (202)
VCU (71)
Oklahoma State

I expect that TBA game to be along the lines of an FDU or some other 250 + NET opponent.

As I see it, we need to do well in Charleston or we'll find ourselves in the same position in March as we did this past year. Other than RU there may not be another top 100 win opportunity in the OOC.
 
Jeez, you’re thick just to stomp your feet and make a point.

Did we not get in the tournament last year, despite a 13-7 BE record, because of OUR METRICS?

You must be lock-step with everything Sha says and does because it is absolutely asinine not to make scheduling decisions based on metrics, win or lose.

Gotta believe you work in the athletic department and toe the line.
Yes I'm the same guy who had no excitement for the NIT run and thinks it's now a stupid tournament considering 25% of the would be field backed out. I'm sure that's toeing the line of the athletic department.

Our metrics were bad because we barely beat an 0-18 SEC team, lost to RU, went 0-2 in a tournament, it was probably the worst year for the big east in terms of quality teams in the past 20 years, and top of that we had 7 losses of greater than 15 points some of which were against mediocre teams like X, SJU, and Nova. Our metrics were bad because of scheduling, game locations or general performance? If you're really honest about the situation you know it's not the first or second.
 
You need 1-2 quality wins in the non-con and then avoid the torpedo metrics loss. The team did none of that last year.

If they can grab a quality win in Charleston and maybe win at Rutgers that should be good enough to avoid what occurred last year.
 
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You need 1-2 quality wins in the non-con and then avoid the torpedo metrics loss. The team did none of that last year.

If they can grab a quality win in Charleston and maybe win at Rutgers that should be good enough to avoid what occurred last year.
This is all assuming the Big East will be better in 2025 than 2024, which was considered a down year. I am not seeing a scenario where I'd consider the Big East "up" or better in 2025 than 2024 across the board. I think if SHU has the same record in Big East in 2025 that they did in 2024 that won't be enough. Yes some of the teams will be ranked but I'm not sure there is a whole lot of top 25 NET Big East teams.
You hate to say it but SHU has to go 2-1 at Charleston minimum and Win at Rutgers otherwise they have to play like .700 ball in the Big East otherwise it's basically the same situation as 2024. It sounds outrageous but the map has basically been set.
The other problem is there may not be a UConn-type game in Big East for SHU to play (and win) as they did in 2024, which made them be strong bubble team to begin with and was an anchor on their NET numbers.
I think we'd all be impressed if UConn was again at that level, but have to realistic. Is Marquette that game this year? Creighton going to be better than 2024?
Maybe the bottom of the league will be better, so that's a plus, but I'm not sure there are a couple of "whales" that will be lynchpin-type wins should SHU get them in the league that carry a resume that is slightly better than .500 in Big East.
 
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