Accountability for Bryan Felt

[Piratz]

Full disclosure, Trilly said that Minnesota, Boston College, and Seton Hall are the three worst NIL schools in P5.

I believe it. It’s atrocious. And Seton Hall purposely chose conservative path against developing NIL plans early on out of fear of ramifications from an unsettled policy by the NACA when they should’ve been hitting the ground running. I thought hiring McBride last year was a good move and statement of intent, but seems he is running into the same old tired runaround.

Part of it is the school. If you don’t give the students a great experience, they won’t want to give back. I think you have to look at the giving rate as a whole as saying a large number don’t give back.

This. We’ve been through it a million times. Make the product seem outstanding. Market it. Invest in the gameday experience. Find ways to make personal connections with the clientele. They’ll never do this. It’s the most bare boned things around.

 

[STLPirate12]

i totally agree, but i was responding to the guy who was actually pushing back agaisnt that statement

"the giving rate sucks because we don't hear from the school about donating"

And i agree with you there. The giving rate sucks, but your post gives a better description of why than "they don't ask enough." In my experience they ask plenty.

 

[donnie_baseball]

The giving rate sucks because we don’t hear from the school about donating. Your point is aligned with mine. If I heard from them monthly about what is going on and what the plans are I’d do more. The honor system we are operating on is a huge failure

So you're aware that there's an NIL and, overall, a donations shortfall, and you're doing less because you don't have an invitation? Stop.

 

[donnie_baseball]

the school gave a large cohort of students a sub par experience (sugar coating it). plus we are a very small

You've been saying this for years, but your N of 1 + your buddies really isn't the reality of people's perception of the SH experience. We pack a bar with 60 people in the 908 with engaged SHU alumni for a game watch (one site only). The NIT games were vociferously attended, we have people posting here all day long. I don't think there's a "large cohort;" you just have clowns saying they won't give more because they're not happy about how the administration addresses their correspondence. And that it's a "dumpster fire" 11 games in after a 25 win season.
I'll give you my anecdotal story: Close friend since HS, went to SHU with me during some good years with PJ - never misses a game on TV (lives near Philly now). He makes very good money, he is also first generation, has a great work ethic that he got from his parents. I asked him why he doesn't regularly donate (aside from his 6 kids). His answer: "It never really occurred to me. I guess I feel like they got their money, and I got their diploma." I wonder how pervasive this kind of transactional thinking is among the large cohort of first-generation students that we had/have.

 

[Mbrantfan88]

His answer: "It never really occurred to me. I guess I feel like they got their money, and I got their diploma." I wonder how pervasive this kind of transactional thinking is among the large cohort of first-generation students that we had/have.

Hugely pervasive.

 

[HallX2]

the abominable giving rate is 100% the fault of the school

Sorry. No way. Guaranteed that the nongivers are non philanthropic in their DNA.

 

[Seton75]

The giving rate sucks because we don’t hear from the school about donating. Your point is aligned with mine. If I heard from them monthly about what is going on and what the plans are I’d do more. The honor system we are operating on is a huge failure

I seem to get quite a few requests for donations via the net and the mail.

Mike Walsh asks us for monthly donations to Onward Setonia. Sign up for 89 a month and you can always give more when you desire.

 

[HALL85]

Sorry. No way. Guaranteed that the nongivers are non philanthropic in their DNA.

Both statements can be true, and they probably are.

We have had it historically for giving rain. I’m guessing the school knows why or should know.

If the answer is that we truly have alumni that just don’t care and don’t give, then we need to accept what we are. What’s the definition of insanity? Expecting a different result after you do the same thing?

On the other hand, has the school invested the resources necessary to improve the giving right? There are schools in the Metropolitan area that are in the patriot league or worse that have better giving rates. And I doubt their alumni are any more successful. Many schools that have higher giving rates begin engagement as soon as students enter the university.

Same for NIL.

Fundraising is more than phone calls, emails or mailings.

 

[metalpirate07]

Part of it is the school. If you don’t give the students a great experience, they won’t want to give back. I think you have to look at the giving rate as a whole as saying a large number don’t give back.

I have been saying this for 20 years but I get shouted down by the geezers every time. Msgr Sheeran and his flunkies treated students with such contempt and awful campus life there’s a generation of alumni just gone. They’re never coming back. I was also gone until WSOU invited me back for an event in 2016. Every single time a thread comes up on our garbage giving rate and people from my era remind everyone why that’s the case, and we’re just yelled at and told to “donate harder” even though we’re all drowning in student loan debt. This isn’t Felt or Sha’s fault. The school treated students like dog shit and sucked away all their money for decades and now they’re so confused why decades of graduates want nothing to do with the school. I gave up years ago trying to talk friends of my era into coming back. Aside from me, Hitman, Shuttle, JRslim, shupat, and begrudgingly 09, there’s nobody else left that are die hards. This has been discussed multiple times, you folks just don’t like hearing it and turn around and blame us despite being treated like shit and having little disposable income where nothing we donate will make a difference in NIL yet somehow it’s all our fault?
I’m so tired of the generation war within our fanbase that just can’t process the fact that 95% of people who graduated after 1996 are just gone because their school experience was awful.

 

[dehere23]

Sorry. No way. Guaranteed that the nongivers are non philanthropic in their DNA.

You may be right. But I think there are also plenty of folks who choose 2 to 5 “causes” each year to support in a meaningful way when it comes to $, and for many people paying basketball players isn’t as high as so many other worthwhile causes.

 

[williaza01]

I have been saying this for 20 years but I get shouted down by the geezers every time. Msgr Sheeran and his flunkies treated students with such contempt and awful campus life there’s a generation of alumni just gone. They’re never coming back. I was also gone until WSOU invited me back for an event in 2016. Every single time a thread comes up on our garbage giving rate and people from my era remind everyone why that’s the case, and we’re just yelled at and told to “donate harder” even though we’re all drowning in student loan debt. This isn’t Felt or Sha’s fault. The school treated students like dog shit and sucked away all their money for decades and now they’re so confused why decades of graduates want nothing to do with the school. I gave up years ago trying to talk friends of my era into coming back. Aside from me, Hitman, Shuttle, JRslim, shupat, and begrudgingly 09, there’s nobody else left that are die hards. This has been discussed multiple times, you folks just don’t like hearing it and turn around and blame us despite being treated like shit and having little disposable income where nothing we donate will make a difference in NIL yet somehow it’s all our fault?
I’m so tired of the generation war within our fanbase that just can’t process the fact that 95% of people who graduated after 1996 are just gone because their school experience was awful.

I think I’m your era…I think this is harsh but not necessarily incorrect at all

I give once a year and it’s not a lot

 

[SHUSA]

You've been saying this for years, but your N of 1 + your buddies really isn't the reality of people's perception of the SH experience. We pack a bar with 60 people in the 908 with engaged SHU alumni for a game watch (one site only). The NIT games were vociferously attended, we have people posting here all day long. I don't think there's a "large cohort;" you just have clowns saying they won't give more because they're not happy about how the administration addresses their correspondence. And that it's a "dumpster fire" 11 games in after a 25 win season.
I'll give you my anecdotal story: Close friend since HS, went to SHU with me during some good years with PJ - never misses a game on TV (lives near Philly now). He makes very good money, he is also first generation, has a great work ethic that he got from his parents. I asked him why he doesn't regularly donate (aside from his 6 kids). His answer: "It never really occurred to me. I guess I feel like they got their money, and I got their diploma." I wonder how pervasive this kind of transactional thinking is among the large cohort of first-generation students that we had/have.

so you didn't even go to the school over the time period im saying?

you really think because its just not occuring to people?

btw im not the only person to say that the sheeran years completely tanked pirate pride (right in this thread). i saw more sweatshirts of other colleges than shu on campus. some people really hated shu.

 

[SHUSA]

I have been saying this for 20 years but I get shouted down by the geezers every time. Msgr Sheeran and his flunkies treated students with such contempt and awful campus life there’s a generation of alumni just gone. They’re never coming back. I was also gone until WSOU invited me back for an event in 2016. Every single time a thread comes up on our garbage giving rate and people from my era remind everyone why that’s the case, and we’re just yelled at and told to “donate harder” even though we’re all drowning in student loan debt. This isn’t Felt or Sha’s fault. The school treated students like dog shit and sucked away all their money for decades and now they’re so confused why decades of graduates want nothing to do with the school. I gave up years ago trying to talk friends of my era into coming back. Aside from me, Hitman, Shuttle, JRslim, shupat, and begrudgingly 09, there’s nobody else left that are die hards. This has been discussed multiple times, you folks just don’t like hearing it and turn around and blame us despite being treated like shit and having little disposable income where nothing we donate will make a difference in NIL yet somehow it’s all our fault?
I’m so tired of the generation war within our fanbase that just can’t process the fact that 95% of people who graduated after 1996 are just gone because their school experience was awful.

they dont understand how outrageously small time, amateur, and pathetic seton hall was in a LOT of areas

 

[hallgrad80]

I believe it. It’s atrocious. And Seton Hall purposely chose conservative path against developing NIL plans early on out of fear of ramifications from an unsettled policy by the NACA when they should’ve been hitting the ground running. I thought hiring McBride last year was a good move and statement of intent, but seems he is running into the same old tired runaround.

This. We’ve been through it a million times. Make the product seem outstanding. Market it. Invest in the gameday experience. Find ways to make personal connections with the clientele. They’ll never do this. It’s the most bare boned things around.

Good points . Putting a competitive team on the floor becomes even more important as winning teams are more attractive to support financially the school and the program.

 

[STLPirate12]

Good points . Putting a competitive team on the floor becomes even more important as winning teams are more receptive to support financially the school and the program.

That's the dilemma. We need money to put a good team on the floor and we need a good team to motivate people to donate.

 

[SOpirate]

I don’t get the indignation at the idea of accountability. We started out behind the 8-ball in NIL and based on our current roster the gap seems to be getting worse. All under Felt’s watch.

Our best players are being poached. One even within our own conference. We are forced to put what is clearly not a Big East level team on the floor this season. We are in danger of becoming a perennial basement team, so it’s certainly fair to ask whether Felt has what it takes to right the ship.

 

[SHUSA]

And i agree with you there. The giving rate sucks, but your post gives a better description of why than "they don't ask enough." In my experience they ask plenty.

well is it just asking without actually trying to change someone's sentiment?

eh, what am i saying. a lot of people are forever gone as prospecrs

 

[SHUHitman]

I believe it. It’s atrocious. And Seton Hall purposely chose conservative path against developing NIL plans early on out of fear of ramifications from an unsettled policy by the NACA when they should’ve been hitting the ground running. I thought hiring McBride last year was a good move and statement of intent, but seems he is running into the same old tired runaround.

This. We’ve been through it a million times. Make the product seem outstanding. Market it. Invest in the gameday experience. Find ways to make personal connections with the clientele. They’ll never do this. It’s the most bare boned things around.

I get a revolving door of Alumni Relations folks every 2 years or so that initially reach out, want to chat on Zoom, invite me to things, etc... and then 9-12 months later, after I start feeling I have a good contact, I feel valued, they want me to be involved, etc...they fall off the face of the earth. I try to proactively reach out via email or LinkedIn, and I get ignored. Time and time again. The whole thing just reeks of some poorly managed corporate environment, where every so often the new manager has the "Bright idea" to "engage customers", which works for a few months and then falls by the wayside as a result of poor office culture. It's not even like these people don't work at the University anymore. In some cases it's a lateral move, in others its a promotion...in all cases, no hand off, no introduction to a new contact...not even a courtesy reply that they are doing other things now.

Whether it's a lack of consistency, follow through, whatever you want to call it...if I'm a "target" alum that they want to develop and cultivate over 5-10-20 years...they aren't doing a great job. Is this anecdotal? Yes. However, I'm willing to bet that I'm not the only one that gets this kind of treatment/interaction, let alone all of those that get nothing at all except the periodic solicitation for money.

I love Seton Hall in spite of the same nonsense for 20 years now because I met my wife there, because of my involvement with basketball, and because of other memories of my life at that time. I can't say it's because of University's efforts while I was there or in the years following as an alum.

 

[mga pirate]

I don’t get the indignation at the idea of accountability. We started out behind the 8-ball in NIL and based on our current roster the gap seems to be getting worse. All under Felt’s watch.

Our best players are being poached. One even within our own conference. We are forced to put what is clearly not a Big East level team on the floor this season. We are in danger of becoming a perennial basement team, so it’s certainly fair to ask whether Felt has what it takes to right the ship.

I ask what has he done that got him hired? He came from St. Peter's, that's like the lowest of low levels. We are in for the longest of runs as the new DePaul.

 

[STLPirate12]

well is it just asking without actually trying to change someone's sentiment?

eh, what am i saying. a lot of people are forever gone as prospecrs

To an extent yes, but the introduction of revenue sharing changes that. We have the potential to take advantage of it, IMO, by moving our reliance from donations to actual revenue generation, but it requires a heavy investment in sales and ticketing strategy. We're a college team playing in a pro sized arena, let's leverage that.

 

[SOpirate]

I ask what has he done that got him hired? He came from St. Peter's, that's like the lowest of low levels. We are in for the longest of runs as the new DePaul.

Yeah but how many ADs can rock a checkered blazer like that?

 

[Pirates1991]

We have a new President so the question is what is HIS vision as we know the BoR is just a good old boys club with status quo.

Lyons and Felt took the ultra conservative approach years ago and it has cost us . Do you make a change in leadership and finding a new AD? Can’t argue not but who is taking this job with the experience or ability to raise $$$

Stay the status quo and you will need to be making calls to Grant, Sanders or Copeland because Sha will not and cannot stay here.

 

[Gohall129]

I get an email from SHU probably twice a week, more often during basketball season. Then there's the quarterly magazine and 2-3 requests for donations a year.

A lot of the young, cheap alum here calling others "boomers" are either less tech savvy/subscribed (doubtful), or you're a black hole for donation requests.

Most younger millennials don’t check email everyday, don’t live at the address on file for seton hall when they were a student. It’s about meeting people where they are. The approach that works for connecting with boomers isn’t going to work with other generations. no millennials will donate any substantial $s without knowing a plan for doing so. Just the way it works now. Just the way this generation is. The efforts of pirate blue and onward Setonia towards graduated post 2010 is horrific. I’m speaking on behalf of many of my peers. To think anything else is completely out of touch

 

[SHUSA]

To an extent yes, but the introduction of revenue sharing changes that. We have the potential to take advantage of it, IMO, by moving our reliance from donations to actual revenue generation, but it requires a heavy investment in sales and ticketing strategy. We're a college team playing in a pro sized arena, let's leverage that.

college team in pro arena? sounds expensive

 

[shugrads]

Need a new Ad. Not cutting it

 

[STLPirate12]

college team in pro arena? sounds expensive

Could be, depends on the lease terms. But we have it so may as well try to get the most out of our use of it.

 

[hallgrad80]

Speaking of fundraising it’s no secret that when universities go looking for a new President one of the most important skills to have is the ability to raise money. The question that I haven’t seen asked is how skilled is Father Reilly at that task and has he addressed this topic at all.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Most younger millennials don’t check email everyday, don’t live at the address on file for seton hall when they were a student. It’s about meeting people where they are. The approach that works for connecting with boomers isn’t going to work with other generations. no millennials will donate any substantial $s without knowing a plan for doing so. Just the way it works now. Just the way this generation is. The efforts of pirate blue and onward Setonia towards graduated post 2010 is horrific. I’m speaking on behalf of many of my peers. To think anything else is completely out of touch

Even my email goes to my phone. No excuse for not checking email. The school can't meet anyone where they are if they don't respond to the simplest and most efficient form of communication. And suddenly "young millennials" are doing cost-benefit analyses on every penny spent? Laughable. And stop the boomer bullshit, maybe look up what the Boomer generation was. My father is a boomer.

2010 was nearly 15 years ago. To you and those who have an issue with Sheeran and/or the years he was at the helm, you have a couple of choices. One is to get over it and support SHU because you're invested at least in the basketball program, and not require to have your ass kissed to donate to the cause. The other is to get the hell off the train -- you don't add anything to the school or program in any way, shape, or form. So why stick around? To revel in bad seasons like this one, so you can rip everyone from Felt to Sheeran? I don't recall any of this vitriol last season.

As far as pay-for-play goes, the "business plan" seems pretty simple: Collect as much money as is humanly possible to attract and keep Big East level players. I think it's more transparent than ever where your money is going.

Coming off a year where we were picked 7th and won the NIT, this what-have-you-done-for-me-lately opposition to supporting the team you claim to be a fan of seems counter-productive, at best.

 

[donnie_baseball]

I get a revolving door of Alumni Relations folks every 2 years or so that initially reach out, want to chat on Zoom, invite me to things, etc... and then 9-12 months later, after I start feeling I have a good contact, I feel valued, they want me to be involved, etc...they fall off the face of the earth. I try to proactively reach out via email or LinkedIn, and I get ignored. Time and time again. The whole thing just reeks of some poorly managed corporate environment, where every so often the new manager has the "Bright idea" to "engage customers", which works for a few months and then falls by the wayside as a result of poor office culture. It's not even like these people don't work at the University anymore. In some cases it's a lateral move, in others its a promotion...in all cases, no hand off, no introduction to a new contact...not even a courtesy reply that they are doing other things now.

This turnover is typical for ANY University, and I've worked at five. They hire young, high-energy people who will do events on nights and weekends, and most of them are NOT alum -- and they are asked to be highly engaged. Even the alums move on, when they no longer want to work those hours or - gasp - find more money elsewhere.

I respect your points and appreciate that you (and others) didn't have the best experience with SHU as a whole -- maybe why the development people have been targeting alumni clubs, Greeks, and WSOU staff to keep that connection - they don't even have official 10th, 20th, 25th, etc. reunions any more. But you got over it, mostly, and continue to support the program. If you love Seton Hall, there really is no other option.

 

[metalpirate07]

I seem to get quite a few requests for donations via the net and the mail.

Mike Walsh asks us for monthly donations to Onward Setonia. Sign up for 89 a month and you can always give more when you desire.

$89 a month is a VERY steep ask for a lot of people these days. Personally, my Pirate Queen would run me through if I did that. There’s only so many times you can annoy people asking them for money they don’t have before they get fed up and tell you to go scratch and lose my number/email. I asked Felt directly about Donor Fatigue at media day and he acknowledged it’s an issue.
Go after the big fish that actually have the money stop harassing the plebes that can only afford $100 a year on top of what fans already pay for season tickets, parking, tolls, concessions, etc.

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

No it is about you, writ large. Every person here who complains about our efforts yet they seemingly think the abominable giving rate at SHU is the fault of the school.

When do we start holding people accountable for doing their job and stop blaming the alumni and using them as a convenient excuse? We cannot continue to keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. It’s painfully obvious that this doesn’t work.

 

[donnie_baseball]

$89 a month is a VERY steep ask for a lot of people these days. Personally, my Pirate Queen would run me through if I did that. There’s only so many times you can annoy people asking them for money they don’t have before they get fed up and tell you to go scratch and lose my number/email. I asked Felt directly about Donor Fatigue at media day and he acknowledged it’s an issue.
Go after the big fish that actually have the money stop harassing the plebes that can only afford $100 a year on top of what fans already pay for season tickets, parking, tolls, concessions, etc.

Nope, as Mike Walsh has proven, you need the "plebes." We have a limited number of big donors, and they are very generous, and helped to a great extent build the practice facility. If anyone is donor fatigued, it should be then.

$89 is not that much, but everyone's situation is different, so I'm not going to go there. If you are an 07 grad, you're right at 40. If you and your generation of grads can't pump $500 a year into NIL now, not sure when it will ever happen. And at this point, it's not even a donation to the University that so many have an axe to grind with.

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

You think Seton Hall is going to be a leader in that?

Seton Hall has that tagline ‘where leaders learn’. Those people apparently leave the university never to return and the people left in charge never got the memo and are not leaders.

Ever hear that saying, there are three types of people - those who make things happen, those who watch things happen and those who wonder what happened? Sadly we are currently cemented in that last group while the everyone else is at least seemingly making an effort to be in the first group.

 

[newshu1]

Nope, as Mike Walsh has proven, you need the "plebes." We have a limited number of big donors, and they are very generous, and helped to a great extent build the practice facility. If anyone is donor fatigued, it should be then.

$89 is not that much, but everyone's situation is different, so I'm not going to go there. If you are an 07 grad, you're right at 40. If you and your generation of grads can't pump $500 a year into NIL now, not sure when it will ever happen. And at this point, it's not even a donation to the University that so many have an axe to grind with.

Yea let me tell my wife sorry honey I cant afford diapers because I donated money for Dylan Adae Wusu to airball layups.

 

[JoePeppitone2012]

I get a revolving door of Alumni Relations folks every 2 years or so that initially reach out, want to chat on Zoom, invite me to things, etc... and then 9-12 months later, after I start feeling I have a good contact, I feel valued, they want me to be involved, etc...they fall off the face of the earth. I try to proactively reach out via email or LinkedIn, and I get ignored. Time and time again. The whole thing just reeks of some poorly managed corporate environment, where every so often the new manager has the "Bright idea" to "engage customers", which works for a few months and then falls by the wayside as a result of poor office culture. It's not even like these people don't work at the University anymore. In some cases it's a lateral move, in others its a promotion...in all cases, no hand off, no introduction to a new contact...not even a courtesy reply that they are doing other things now.

Whether it's a lack of consistency, follow through, whatever you want to call it...if I'm a "target" alum that they want to develop and cultivate over 5-10-20 years...they aren't doing a great job. Is this anecdotal? Yes. However, I'm willing to bet that I'm not the only one that gets this kind of treatment/interaction, let alone all of those that get nothing at all except the periodic solicitation for money.

I love Seton Hall in spite of the same nonsense for 20 years now because I met my wife there, because of my involvement with basketball, and because of other memories of my life at that time. I can't say it's because of University's efforts while I was there or in the years following as an alum.

That is absolutely crazy. And all those same people are still there giving us excuse after excuse.....

 

[donnie_baseball]

Yea let me tell my wife sorry honey I cant afford diapers because I donated money for Dylan Adae Wusu to airball layups.

You should check out WIC if things are that tight.

Seriously, it's a choice between putting food on the table and caring for family OR making a small monthly donation? Maybe you shouldn't even be on here during business hours.

 

[STLPirate12]

This turnover is typical for ANY University, and I've worked at five. They hire young, high-energy people who will do events on nights and weekends, and most of them are NOT alum -- and they are asked to be highly engaged. Even the alums move on, when they no longer want to work those hours or - gasp - find more money elsewhere.

I respect your points and appreciate that you (and others) didn't have the best experience with SHU as a whole -- maybe why the development people have been targeting alumni clubs, Greeks, and WSOU staff to keep that connection - they don't even have official 10th, 20th, 25th, etc. reunions any more. But you got over it, mostly, and continue to support the program. If you love Seton Hall, there really is no other option.

The turnover of is to be expected, but his point is valid that when someone moves on there should be a hand-off process for people they've had meaningful conversations with.

 

[Gohall129]

Even my email goes to my phone. No excuse for not checking email. The school can't meet anyone where they are if they don't respond to the simplest and most efficient form of communication. And suddenly "young millennials" are doing cost-benefit analyses on every penny spent? Laughable. And stop the boomer bullshit, maybe look up what the Boomer generation was. My father is a boomer.

2010 was nearly 15 years ago. To you and those who have an issue with Sheeran and/or the years he was at the helm, you have a couple of choices. One is to get over it and support SHU because you're invested at least in the basketball program, and not require to have your ass kissed to donate to the cause. The other is to get the hell off the train -- you don't add anything to the school or program in any way, shape, or form. So why stick around? To revel in bad seasons like this one, so you can rip everyone from Felt to Sheeran? I don't recall any of this vitriol last season.

As far as pay-for-play goes, the "business plan" seems pretty simple: Collect as much money as is humanly possible to attract and keep Big East level players. I think it's more transparent than ever where your money is going.

Coming off a year where we were picked 7th and won the NIT, this what-have-you-done-for-me-lately opposition to supporting the team you claim to be a fan of seems counter-productive, at best.

Ok I’ll start checking my email more frequently because the guy out of touch with reality told me so

SH can double down on the no success being had or they can listen to what’s not working and why. Idk why you’re attempted to say the feedback I hear from Peers is wrong. Your desire to defend Felt is absurd. He’s done nothing.

There is no reason for us to celebrate an NIT. We had 5 seniors and one of the best players in the league, Kadary. Not making the tournament was a failure regardless. 7th to nit is still a failure.

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

You've been saying this for years, but your N of 1 + your buddies really isn't the reality of people's perception of the SH experience. We pack a bar with 60 people in the 908 with engaged SHU alumni for a game watch (one site only). The NIT games were vociferously attended, we have people posting here all day long. I don't think there's a "large cohort;" you just have clowns saying they won't give more because they're not happy about how the administration addresses their correspondence. And that it's a "dumpster fire" 11 games in after a 25 win season.
I'll give you my anecdotal story: Close friend since HS, went to SHU with me during some good years with PJ - never misses a game on TV (lives near Philly now). He makes very good money, he is also first generation, has a great work ethic that he got from his parents. I asked him why he doesn't regularly donate (aside from his 6 kids). His answer: "It never really occurred to me. I guess I feel like they got their money, and I got their diploma." I wonder how pervasive this kind of transactional thinking is among the large cohort of first-generation students that we had/have.

See, that there is a problem and that’s where the university has to step up to change that perception and educate both students and alums on the importance of giving back.

 

[Gohall129]

See, that there is a problem and that’s where the university has to step up to change that perception and educate both students and alums on the importance of giving back.

The reality is most of the school these days graduates with 50-100k+ in student loan debt and feel they contributed their fare share already