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This is a crazy chat stream.

Both my wife and I along with ALL of my family members and their future spouses, attended and graduated from Seton Hall in the early to mid 80s. The SH Prep was still on campus. We had a bubble in a parking lot for our recreational facility. Comparing that to the current state of the campus is apples and oranges. We also had a basketball team that was at the bottom of the conference year after year after year. We would pack Walsh and had a great time enjoying our college experience, thankful that we had one.

To read about the graduates from the mid 2000s and their disdain for the school is heartbreaking. I hope that changes as time passes with a view toward a glass half full view of the school.

As for hoops, we've had a terrific 10 year run or so and last year we turned lemons into lemonade by winning the NIT. While we all wanted to go to the big dance, the school did a terrific job maximizing the experience. If you didn't attend, you missed a nice bonding experience with the school.

By any measure our coach is terrific and he's well suited for the school. He's not perfect. Whether going to games, contributing or just providing positive support on a message board, one way or another, lets show support. No one is happy but we will get through this and despite the nightly drones, the world's not coming to an end, and I suspect the school's not firing either the coach or the AD.
Excellent post but the only support that matters these days is cold hard cash to pay for players to play.

Almost all other sports at Seton Hall suck though too. From the fall:

Men's soccer = Tied for 5th out of 12
Women's soccer = 11th out of 11
Men's cross country = 8th out of 9
Women's cross country = 9th out of 11
Volleyball = 8th out of 11
 
I'll give you a completely different perspective.

I graduated in 1967. I had no debt. Why? I worked my ass off while in high school during school and summers saving money for college. I was raised by a single mom. We had no money. When I commuted to SHU I worked at Shoprite. Many classmates were comuters like me and worked too. I continued to work my ass off summer to pay for my education all 4 years.

I went to SHU to get an education and a degree. Those were my priorities. Campus life was not a priority at all. So I left school with no debt, a degree and got a job with a great company where I made a great living, married and have a great family. Oh and I paid the school back pretty much every year with donations (except when a spent a year plus in Nam) for the blessings it gave me. Thanks SHU!

No whining from me about treatment by the school!
"i graduated in 67"

so your opinion is worthless.
 
Likely much more than that. We’ve beaten this topic to death. Our older generation of fans was likely the first in their family to graduate college and therefore they all felt immense pride in their school of choice. It was a great accomplishment then. It was a privilege to attend college.

Nowadays, its a right, it’s an expectation. Kids feel forced to attend and are saddled with debt that they don’t want but have no choice. The colleges have raised prices to insane levels knowing they can get away with it.

They leave angry, in massive debt and with jobs that likely have nothing to do with their college experience.

Expecting the new generation to donate is a very difficult task. You’re trying to find a needle in a haystack with someone that had: a great experience and makes good money. Harder than you think.
students had the constant wonder looking back what it might be like going to a "real school"

how many people believe they would have had a better time if they went to a different school or would be in a better place now if they went to a different school? im sure everyone made due with the life seton hall afforded them , but nobody can say they wouldn't be in a similar situation or likely better somewhere else.

there was no pride then, and no pride now from that generation.
 
its not so easy to transfer college, and people did transfer.

listen man there's numerous people here saying it. and these are the biggest hall fans...
I’m not doubting their experience just wondering why they didn’t try to chance their situation if they were so unhappy.
 
I’m not doubting their experience just wondering why they didn’t try to chance their situation if they were so unhappy.
like three people have mentioned now, they did. others toughed it out and treated it like the commuter school it most definitely was.
 
Excellent post but the only support that matters these days is cold hard cash to pay for players to play.

Almost all other sports at Seton Hall suck though too. From the fall:

Men's soccer = Tied for 5th out of 12
Women's soccer = 11th out of 11
Men's cross country = 8th out of 9
Women's cross country = 9th out of 11
Volleyball = 8th out of 11
Because if we are successful then we’ll expect more which means some who are doing the bare minimum will be asked to do more when they don’t even want to do what they are doing. It’s sad and it sucks.

How many times have people inquired about expanding our athletic offerings (ie lacrosse for instance or reinstating our track and field programs) and we are told ‘oh no, we can’t do that now, we want to concentrate on making our current sports successful and the best they can be before we think of expanding our offerings!’ Then they proceed to sit at on their hands and do nothing and we get the results you see above year after year! But there are some here who are perfectly happy doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. It’s a vicious cycle.
 
Because if we are successful then we’ll expect more which means some who are doing the bare minimum will be asked to do more when they don’t even want to do what they are doing. It’s sad and it sucks.

How many times have people inquired about expanding our athletic offerings (ie lacrosse for instance or reinstating our track and field programs) and we are told ‘oh no, we can’t do that now, we want to concentrate on making our current sports successful and the best they can be before we think of expanding our offerings!’ Then they proceed to sit at on their hands and do nothing and we get the results you see above year after year! But there are some here who are perfectly happy doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. It’s a vicious cycle.
So what should we be doing differently? Please enlighten us with your brilliant ideas. Or at least with your slightly above bare minimum ideas that our administration is supposedly unwilling to take on despite their relative ease...
 
So what should we be doing differently? Please enlighten us with your brilliant ideas. Or at least with your slightly above bare minimum ideas that our administration is supposedly unwilling to take on despite their relative ease...
This is like a poker game with one limited buy in cant afford to make mistakes or get in bad spot multi way in hand vs the folks that can constantly reach into pockets and max re buy. The roster construction in this time and place is severely flawed.
 
students had the constant wonder looking back what it might be like going to a "real school"

how many people believe they would have had a better time if they went to a different school or would be in a better place now if they went to a different school? im sure everyone made due with the life seton hall afforded them , but nobody can say they wouldn't be in a similar situation or likely better somewhere else.

there was no pride then, and no pride now from that generation.
What
 
I love seton hall and I don’t want to watch it burn to the ground because we have an inept group running the show. It’s currently not working and bringing attention to the matter is important for change

"i graduated in 67"

so your opinion is worthless.

This is the kind of ignorance that keeps this free board going. Yeah, he's an old guy, so he doesn't know anything. Worked his way through college, which we would agree most can't do today. He also didn't choose a college that he couldn't afford, with an aloof President he probably never met, and then hold a grudge about it for 10+ years.

And you characterize these people calling for firing Sha and Felt in the middle of one terrible basketball season as "the biggest fans." Sorry, you can vent your spleen here every day for a year, it's the people that are engaged with the University, volunteering, donating, and not sh+tting all over the education that they got are the "biggest fans," not these clowns. They are quite literally the opposite.
 
This is the kind of ignorance that keeps this free board going. Yeah, he's an old guy, so he doesn't know anything. Worked his way through college, which we would agree most can't do today. He also didn't choose a college that he couldn't afford, with an aloof President he probably never met, and then hold a grudge about it for 10+ years.

And you characterize these people calling for firing Sha and Felt in the middle of one terrible basketball season as "the biggest fans." Sorry, you can vent your spleen here every day for a year, it's the people that are engaged with the University, volunteering, donating, and not sh+tting all over the education that they got are the "biggest fans," not these clowns. They are quite literally the opposite.
On the other hand, I find it amusing how the gen- Zers on here took a business class or 2 and now think they know everything about how to run the athletic department.
 
On the other hand, I find it amusing how the gen- Zers on here took a business class or 2 and now think they know everything about how to run the athletic department.

It's the beauty of an anonymous message board, everyone knows exactly what McBride's and Felt's jobs entail and that they are over their heads.
 
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I have been saying this for 20 years but I get shouted down by the geezers every time. Msgr Sheeran and his flunkies treated students with such contempt and awful campus life there’s a generation of alumni just gone. They’re never coming back. I was also gone until WSOU invited me back for an event in 2016. Every single time a thread comes up on our garbage giving rate and people from my era remind everyone why that’s the case, and we’re just yelled at and told to “donate harder” even though we’re all drowning in student loan debt. This isn’t Felt or Sha’s fault. The school treated students like dog shit and sucked away all their money for decades and now they’re so confused why decades of graduates want nothing to do with the school. I gave up years ago trying to talk friends of my era into coming back. Aside from me, Hitman, Shuttle, JRslim, shupat, and begrudgingly 09, there’s nobody else left that are die hards. This has been discussed multiple times, you folks just don’t like hearing it and turn around and blame us despite being treated like shit and having little disposable income where nothing we donate will make a difference in NIL yet somehow it’s all our fault?
I’m so tired of the generation war within our fanbase that just can’t process the fact that 95% of people who graduated after 1996 are just gone because their school experience was awful.
I know other die hard but you’re generally correct. Sheeran was awful. I’m not as down about the experience though and many others aren’t. But they don’t give, for whatever reason
Right after I hit done I got the rock the sock text lol
 
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You should be more proud of 5 seniors winning the NIT- also, please forget that a St. John’s team that embarrassed us in the BET sat out of the NIT
The St John’s team we beat 2/3. Rather than feeling hurt and going home to mope, our guys sucked it up and won something. But you, of course can only see the negative. You conjure up the image of a cartoon character always walking around with a rain cloud over his head. BTW, are you at work today?
 
The St John’s team we beat 2/3. Rather than feeling hurt and going home to mope, our guys sucked it up and won something. But you, of course can only see the negative. You conjure up the image of a cartoon character always walking around with a rain cloud over his head. BTW, are you at work today?
Am I at work? lol
 
The St John’s team we beat 2/3. Rather than feeling hurt and going home to mope, our guys sucked it up and won something. But you, of course can only see the negative. You conjure up the image of a cartoon character always walking around with a rain cloud over his head. BTW, are you at work today?
The SJU team that kicked the crap out of us 3 of the last 4 halves we played them. The guy might be negative but looking at the bright side of not making the tournament 3 years in a row, after making it basically 6 of the previous 7 years is opposite end of the spectrum.
 
The SJU team that kicked the crap out of us 3 of the last 4 halves we played them. The guy might be negative but looking at the bright side of not making the tournament 3 years in a row, after making it basically 6 of the previous 7 years is opposite end of the spectrum.
What? We beat them two out of three. Who cares about halves? Unbelievable.
I agree with your point about the NCAA. But I also remember that many posters thought that our previous coach who got us to 6/7 was also doing a poor job, were glad to see him go. We find a way to dislike all our coaches eventually.
 
What? We beat them two out of three. Who cares about halves? Unbelievable.
I agree with your point about the NCAA. But I also remember that many posters thought that our previous coach who got us to 6/7 was also doing a poor job, were glad to see him go. We find a way to dislike all our coaches eventually.
SJU gave us the game at UBS. They blew a 19 point lead with turnovers. It was no different than the countless times we’ve blown games with big leads. We never say they just beat us, we say we can’t believe we gave the game away. The beating we got at MSG wasn't some fluke. That's why I'm mentioning 3 of the last 4 halves. If we had to face them in the NIT., sot sure it would have looked good.

I’m not sure they would have been glad to see him go if they knew this was the next 3 years.
 
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It is a failure, but primarily the selection committee's. Almost no matter what happens in the nonconference, 13-7 in the Big East should get your team waved right into the brackets.
Stop. The ACC is absolutely atrocious this year. I would be ok with 2-3 teams in from there. And if that happens to be, a couple of teams might put up similar resumes to us and they will be bubble teams at best.
 
WE DID’T MAKE THE NCAA TOURNAMENT. That is a failure.
this was a complete con job tho. in reality this is a tournament season. nothing you can do when a biased committee picks whose in and who is not. i think historically it's the only time a big east team with that record didn't get in
 
this was a complete con job tho. in reality this is a tournament season. nothing you can do when a biased committee picks whose in and who is not. i think historically it's the only time a big east team with that record didn't get in
Curious how many teams though had an RPI or NET in the high 50s or 60s with that record.
 
this was a complete con job tho. in reality this is a tournament season. nothing you can do when a biased committee picks whose in and who is not. i think historically it's the only time a big east team with that record didn't get in
Different topic but a largely why I think the biased committee should be eliminated and every bid should be tied to some sort of clear/transparent qualification criteria (not that we were on the wrong side this once, just the unavoidable bias and subjectivity of the process).
 
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Different topic but a largely why I think the biased committee should be eliminated and every bid should be tied to some sort of clear/transparent qualification criteria (not that we were on the wrong side this once, just the unavoidable bias and subjectivity of the process).
its clear everything is moving towards P5. the committee is essentially getting paid to pick them. im not even sure they will care anymore about maintaining any level of "fairness" between P5 and non P5.
 
What they would use is NET and considering auto bids, we would have been left out with clear transparent rankings. Going 13-7 in the big east would not be on the list of items that qualify anyone.
 
What they would use is NET and considering auto bids, we would have been left out with clear transparent rankings. Going 13-7 in the big east would not be on the list of items that qualify anyone.
There's nothing clear and transparent about NET, the formula's a big secret. I'm not a fan of using some convoluted ranking formula either, I want teams to qualify based on wins and losses. I have my ideas but that could be it's own thread with people telling me how stupid they think they are lol
 
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this was a complete con job tho. in reality this is a tournament season. nothing you can do when a biased committee picks whose in and who is not. i think historically it's the only time a big east team with that record didn't get in
We lost 8/12 games last year by a margin of 18 points or more. This is actually a pretty major stat that worked against us. How you lose is equally important in this environment
 
We lost 8/12 games last year by a margin of 18 points or more. This is actually a pretty major stat that worked against us. How you lose is equally important in this environment
thats the BS the committee said. but what about how you win or THAT you win?

avoiding large pt losses is more important than winning the game. weve lost the whole point of playing.
 
thats the BS the committee said. but what about how you win or THAT you win?

avoiding large pt losses is more important than winning the game. weve lost the whole point of playing.
Agree with this. Some people are just orientated toward looking at the negative, what you didn’t do rather than what you did and what you achieved. Just the way it is and makes for good discussion on Pirate Crew.
Ps: how many teams beat UCONN last year?
 
There's nothing clear and transparent about NET, the formula's a big secret. I'm not a fan of using some convoluted ranking formula either, I want teams to qualify based on wins and losses. I have my ideas but that could be it's own thread with people telling me how stupid they think they are lol
Wins and losses. Ok. A decent America East team schedules some bad OOC teams, go 10-2 then go 12-6 in America East and they qualify over a big 12 team that goes 10-10 and beats good teams. YIKES.
 
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