Accountability for Bryan Felt

[donnie_baseball]

Ok I’ll start checking my email more frequently because the guy out of touch with reality told me so

SH can double down on the no success being had or they can listen to what’s not working and why. Idk why you’re attempted to say the feedback I hear from Peers is wrong. Your desire to defend Felt is absurd. He’s done nothing.

There is no reason for us to celebrate an NIT. We had 5 seniors and one of the best players in the league, Kadary. Not making the tournament was a failure regardless. 7th to nit is still a failure.

You're just doubling down on being stupid. I wasn't defending Felt, in fact I didn't even mention him. If you're not willing to check emails, not willing to donate, and just go around and around on a message board pissing on the program with no solutions. Do you realize how idiotic you sound?

Seton Hall should crawl to you for a couple miserable dollars, while you make demands on how and why things are done? You're in your 30's, don't seem particularly bright, seemingly have no responsibilities to anyone but yourself, and I'm out of touch with reality. Good stuff. What value do you bring to the program?

And there it is. Now we're negating last years successes. Please, just go away, you add nothing, online or in person. Give me your email and I will donate $500 in your name for you to stay away.

 

[Gohall129]

You're just doubling down on being stupid. I wasn't defending Felt, in fact I didn't even mention him. If you're not willing to check emails, not willing to donate, and just go around and around on a message board pissing on the program with no solutions. Do you realize how idiotic you sound?

Seton Hall should crawl to you for a couple miserable dollars, while you make demands on how and why things are done? You're in your 30's, don't seem particularly bright, seemingly have no responsibilities to anyone but yourself, and I'm out of touch with reality. Good stuff. What value do you bring to the program?

And there it is. Now we're negating last years successes. Please, just go away, you add nothing, online or in person. Give me your email and I will donate $500 in your name for you to stay away.

Defending what’s going on with the school and administration is a voice of support for felt. The whole post was around accountability for felt, but Nice insults. Feels like you’re compensating. I donate more than $500 so I’m good.

 

[Gohall129]

I love seton hall and I don’t want to watch it burn to the ground because we have an inept group running the show. It’s currently not working and bringing attention to the matter is important for change

 

[donnie_baseball]

Defending what’s going on with the school and administration is a voice of support for felt. The whole post was around accountability for felt, but Nice insults. Feels like you’re compensating. I donate more than $500 so I’m good

It's pretty evident you don't give anything. Multiple daily complaints about everything "sucking" for 2 months, if you glanced at your own posting history -- and had any intelligence -- you'd be embarrassed. And yeah, you're a real agent for change.

 

[General_Tso]

And i agree with you there. The giving rate sucks, but your post gives a better description of why than "they don't ask enough." In my experience they ask plenty.

I have been saying this for 20 years but I get shouted down by the geezers every time. Msgr Sheeran and his flunkies treated students with such contempt and awful campus life there’s a generation of alumni just gone. They’re never coming back. I was also gone until WSOU invited me back for an event in 2016. Every single time a thread comes up on our garbage giving rate and people from my era remind everyone why that’s the case, and we’re just yelled at and told to “donate harder” even though we’re all drowning in student loan debt. This isn’t Felt or Sha’s fault. The school treated students like dog shit and sucked away all their money for decades and now they’re so confused why decades of graduates want nothing to do with the school. I gave up years ago trying to talk friends of my era into coming back. Aside from me, Hitman, Shuttle, JRslim, shupat, and begrudgingly 09, there’s nobody else left that are die hards. This has been discussed multiple times, you folks just don’t like hearing it and turn around and blame us despite being treated like shit and having little disposable income where nothing we donate will make a difference in NIL yet somehow it’s all our fault?
I’m so tired of the generation war within our fanbase that just can’t process the fact that 95% of people who graduated after 1996 are just gone because their school experience was awful.

This is the best post to ever be written on this board. As a 2005 grad i echo every word.

 

[STLPirate12]

"The administration needs to work harder to find new ways to get people to donate! What, me? No, I can't donate, they only emailed me a donation request. We need to be more innovative! Maybe I'll reconsider if we partner with Elon Musk to beam the donation request into my brain!"

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

I have been saying this for 20 years but I get shouted down by the geezers every time. Msgr Sheeran and his flunkies treated students with such contempt and awful campus life there’s a generation of alumni just gone. They’re never coming back. I was also gone until WSOU invited me back for an event in 2016. Every single time a thread comes up on our garbage giving rate and people from my era remind everyone why that’s the case, and we’re just yelled at and told to “donate harder” even though we’re all drowning in student loan debt. This isn’t Felt or Sha’s fault. The school treated students like dog shit and sucked away all their money for decades and now they’re so confused why decades of graduates want nothing to do with the school. I gave up years ago trying to talk friends of my era into coming back. Aside from me, Hitman, Shuttle, JRslim, shupat, and begrudgingly 09, there’s nobody else left that are die hards. This has been discussed multiple times, you folks just don’t like hearing it and turn around and blame us despite being treated like shit and having little disposable income where nothing we donate will make a difference in NIL yet somehow it’s all our fault?
I’m so tired of the generation war within our fanbase that just can’t process the fact that 95% of people who graduated after 1996 are just gone because their school experience was awful.

Question for you, is there anything the school can do to greatly enhance your alumni experience so that you would consider even a small donation? Is there anything the powers that be now can change things for the better?

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

so you didn't even go to the school over the time period im saying?

you really think because its just not occuring to people?

btw im not the only person to say that the sheeran years completely tanked pirate pride (right in this thread). i saw more sweatshirts of other colleges than shu on campus. some people really hated shu.

If it was that bad then why didn’t those people transfer?

 

[General_Tso]

Question for you, is there anything the school can do to greatly enhance your alumni experience so that you would consider even a small donation? Is there anything the powers that be now can change things for the better?

Its not the .0001% of people on this board that they should worry about. Its everyone else that has a disdain for the university and how they were treated.

 

[metalpirate07]

This is the best post to ever be written on this board. As a 2005 grad i echo every word.

I had always assumed you were much older (probably because people around my age usually aren’t generals) but hearing that you also are a product of the “Sheeran dark years” explains so much about the tone of your posts. I get it now.

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

I have been saying this for 20 years but I get shouted down by the geezers every time. Msgr Sheeran and his flunkies treated students with such contempt and awful campus life there’s a generation of alumni just gone. They’re never coming back. I was also gone until WSOU invited me back for an event in 2016. Every single time a thread comes up on our garbage giving rate and people from my era remind everyone why that’s the case, and we’re just yelled at and told to “donate harder” even though we’re all drowning in student loan debt. This isn’t Felt or Sha’s fault. The school treated students like dog shit and sucked away all their money for decades and now they’re so confused why decades of graduates want nothing to do with the school. I gave up years ago trying to talk friends of my era into coming back. Aside from me, Hitman, Shuttle, JRslim, shupat, and begrudgingly 09, there’s nobody else left that are die hards. This has been discussed multiple times, you folks just don’t like hearing it and turn around and blame us despite being treated like shit and having little disposable income where nothing we donate will make a difference in NIL yet somehow it’s all our fault?
I’m so tired of the generation war within our fanbase that just can’t process the fact that 95% of people who graduated after 1996 are just gone because their school experience was awful.

 

[General_Tso]

If it was that bad then why didn’t those people transfer?

Many did, others wanted to stay local and get a degree and get out.

 

[shu67]

I have been saying this for 20 years but I get shouted down by the geezers every time. Msgr Sheeran and his flunkies treated students with such contempt and awful campus life there’s a generation of alumni just gone. They’re never coming back. I was also gone until WSOU invited me back for an event in 2016. Every single time a thread comes up on our garbage giving rate and people from my era remind everyone why that’s the case, and we’re just yelled at and told to “donate harder” even though we’re all drowning in student loan debt. This isn’t Felt or Sha’s fault. The school treated students like dog shit and sucked away all their money for decades and now they’re so confused why decades of graduates want nothing to do with the school. I gave up years ago trying to talk friends of my era into coming back. Aside from me, Hitman, Shuttle, JRslim, shupat, and begrudgingly 09, there’s nobody else left that are die hards. This has been discussed multiple times, you folks just don’t like hearing it and turn around and blame us despite being treated like shit and having little disposable income where nothing we donate will make a difference in NIL yet somehow it’s all our fault?
I’m so tired of the generation war within our fanbase that just can’t process the fact that 95% of people who graduated after 1996 are just gone because their school experience was awful.

I'll give you a completely different perspective.

I graduated in 1967. I had no debt. Why? I worked my ass off while in high school during school and summers saving money for college. I was raised by a single mom. We had no money. When I commuted to SHU I worked at Shoprite. Many classmates were comuters like me and worked too. I continued to work my ass off summer to pay for my education all 4 years.

I went to SHU to get an education and a degree. Those were my priorities. Campus life was not a priority at all. So I left school with no debt, a degree and got a job with a great company where I made a great living, married and have a great family. Oh and I paid the school back pretty much every year with donations (except when a spent a year plus in Nam) for the blessings it gave me. Thanks SHU!

No whining from me about treatment by the school!

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

Its not the .0001% of people on this board that they should worry about. Its everyone else that has a disdain for the university and how they were treated.

Agreed, I could have worded that better. I meant it as a general question more for everyone involved, not just those here.

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

I'll give you a completely different perspective.

I graduated in 1967. I had no debt. Why? I worked my ass off while in high school during school and summers saving money for college. I was raised by a single mom. We had no money. When I commuted to SHU I worked at Shoprite. Many classmates were comuters like me and worked too. I continued to work my ass off summer to pay for my education all 4 years.

I went to SHU to get an education and a degree. Those were my priorities. Campus life was not a priority at all. So I left school with no debt, a degree and got a job with a great company where I made a great living, married and have a great family. Oh and I paid the school back pretty much every year with donations (except when a spent a year plus in Nam) for the blessings it gave me. Thanks SHU!

No whining from me about treatment by the school!

And care to share what tuition was back then (feel free to adjust for inflation)? Would a job a ShopRite today pay the bills for what appears to be $50K+ in annual tuition (not books or anything else) at current rates? Perhaps your experience is not apples-to-apples…

 

[its haLL baLL]

I'll give you a completely different perspective.

I graduated in 1967. I had no debt. Why? I worked my ass off while in high school during school and summers saving money for college. I was raised by a single mom. We had no money. When I commuted to SHU I worked at Shoprite. Many classmates were comuters like me and worked too. I continued to work my ass off summer to pay for my education all 4 years.

I went to SHU to get an education and a degree. Those were my priorities. Campus life was not a priority at all. So I left school with no debt, a degree and got a job with a great company where I made a great living, married and have a great family. Oh and I paid the school back pretty much every year with donations (except when a spent a year plus in Nam) for the blessings it gave me. Thanks SHU!

No whining from me about treatment by the school!

You do realize this is impossible to do nowadays, right? Tuition at SHU for the current academic year is $51,370. That means you'd need to be making $60K minimum pretax at a part-time job to cover your tuition.

Unless you are well-off financially, receive significant student-aid, or on scholarship it is nearly impossible to obtain a degree without putting yourself in significant debt.

Below is an inflation adjusted chart showing what it cost you annually versus today. It's not apples-to-apples.

 

[HallGuy23]

The reality is most of the school these days graduates with 50-100k+ in student loan debt and feel they contributed their fare share already

Likely much more than that. We’ve beaten this topic to death. Our older generation of fans was likely the first in their family to graduate college and therefore they all felt immense pride in their school of choice. It was a great accomplishment then. It was a privilege to attend college.

Nowadays, its a right, it’s an expectation. Kids feel forced to attend and are saddled with debt that they don’t want but have no choice. The colleges have raised prices to insane levels knowing they can get away with it.

They leave angry, in massive debt and with jobs that likely have nothing to do with their college experience.

Expecting the new generation to donate is a very difficult task. You’re trying to find a needle in a haystack with someone that had: a great experience and makes good money. Harder than you think.

 

[hallsoccer03]

The department cannot rely on the fans to fund NIL. Give what you can, but our numbers in terms of amount of fans cannot compare to the other schools. You need someone like St. John’s has, or a number of high stakes donors. We cannot rely on buying t shirts and Christmas ornaments to fund our NIL. The months subscriptions wont cut it either. The school is so far behind in this it’s laughable.


Making the NCAA tournament was so important last season and winning a game or 2 even. That would have done so much more for the school than winning the NIT. The school has to get creative with the NIL, and they just aren’t.

 

[General_Tso]

getting away from the main point. We need a new AD.

 

[HallGuy23]

getting away from the main point. We need a new AD.

Nah, won’t make a difference. I don’t know if he’s good or bad but it’s not gonna make a difference.

The same way hiring a NIL director has made no difference. It’s just an added cost.

Will be the same case if we hire a basketball “GM”. A pointless exercise that only adds costs, adds little to nothing to the program. Just not necessary

 

[General_Tso]

Nah, won’t make a difference. I don’t know if he’s good or bad but it’s not gonna make a difference.

It will, if the person is out of the SHU Bubble and has big expectations.

Onward Setonia has averaged 1 tweet a day and almost all have been about game watch parties.

Onward Setonia has 0 instagram posts in the last 2 months asking for donations.

Onward Setonia does not have a TikTok account, the number 1 social media at the moment.

Compare this to all other Power 5 teams and it looks like we have mailed it in and are so lost.

 

[MooneyHall07]

It will, if the person is out of the SHU Bubble and has big expectations.

Onward Setonia has averaged 1 tweet a day and almost all have been about game watch parties.

Onward Setonia has 0 instagram posts in the last 2 months asking for donations.

Onward Setonia does not have a TikTok account, the number 1 social media at the moment.

Compare this to all other Power 5 teams and it looks like we have mailed it in and are so lost.

Felt clearly was behind the 8-ball with NIL. But you have to be careful with what you wish for if you want Felt to be terminated. Bottom line is that the solutions and problems with NIL start at the very top. If the Administration is not willing to do whatever it takes to build up NIL, what is the point of getting a new AD? Also, Felt and Sha have a relationship. Sha has talked publicly about how important it was that Felt was there and that he believed in his vision for the program. If you start taking away people that Sha has a relationship with, that could backfire.

My question is: where is the new President on this issue?

 

[batts]

It will, if the person is out of the SHU Bubble and has big expectations.

Onward Setonia has averaged 1 tweet a day and almost all have been about game watch parties.

Onward Setonia has 0 instagram posts in the last 2 months asking for donations.

Onward Setonia does not have a TikTok account, the number 1 social media at the moment.

Compare this to all other Power 5 teams and it looks like we have mailed it in and are so lost.

Pat and others should be commended for trying to raise money for the NIL. What we really need is large corporates sponsors and big money alum.

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

It will, if the person is out of the SHU Bubble and has big expectations.

Onward Setonia has averaged 1 tweet a day and almost all have been about game watch parties.

Onward Setonia has 0 instagram posts in the last 2 months asking for donations.

Onward Setonia does not have a TikTok account, the number 1 social media at the moment.

Compare this to all other Power 5 teams and it looks like we have mailed it in and are so lost.

TikTok will be gone soon but your point is still very valid.

 

[MooneyHall07]

TikTok will be gone soon but your point is still very valid.

SHU has to get in on Bluesky before St. John's swoops in and takes over that space.

 

[shu67]

And care to share what tuition was back then (feel free to adjust for inflation)? Would a job a ShopRite today pay the bills for what appears to be $50K+ in annual tuition (not books or anything else) at current rates? Perhaps your experience is not apples-to-apples…

Who said anything about a part time job? I worked 50-60 hours a week during the summers in high school and college. I pulled in good OT money too. I worked close to a 40 hour work week during school year while at SHU. My life was classes, work and study for 4 years. I did go to basketball games and dances when I had a chance. No, it was not exactly fun in the short term but it paid off handsomely in the long term. I would also suggest I would never go to a school where I had to get involved with a long term debt issue. There are many other options to get an education and a degree that are more affordable if you do not want to go the route I did. Oh and I am also a CHFC (Charted Financial Consultant) with a pretty good understanding of personal finance.

So I see no reason why a kid who is motivated can't pay his way through SHU in terms of today's costs and not leave school with massive debt! If you leave school with massive debt YOU should not be blaming the school! It was your (or your families) personal choice.

 

[williaza01]

If it was that bad then why didn’t those people transfer?

1. Lots of people did lol
2. IMO the school was extremely transactional…I’m here for whatever degree thank you and goodbye
3. Zero/zero campus or school culture or pride…and that’s why the giving rate is low..no one identifies as seton hall grad/alum/supporter

Idk who’s fault but it happened and it’s an issue

 

[Polk_High]

If the success of Seton Hall Basketball relies on the contributions of the dozens of people active on Pirate Crew, we are seriously in big trouble. The minute they reach out to the board to discuss roster building and recruiting strategy is when I feel compelled to ramp up my donations. In the meantime, as indicated beautifully by @dehere23, I got kids (and in college) which is a much better return on investment

 

[williaza01]

Who said anything about a part time job? I worked 50-60 hours a week during the summers in high school and college. I pulled in good OT money too. I worked close to a 40 hour work week during school year while at SHU. My life was classes, work and study for 4 years. I did go to basketball games and dances when I had a chance. No, it was not exactly fun in the short term but it paid off handsomely in the long term. I would also suggest I would never go to a school where I had to get involved with a long term debt issue. There are many other options to get an education and a degree that are more affordable if you do not want to go the route I did. Oh and I am also a CHFC (Charted Financial Consultant) with a pretty good understanding of personal finance.

So I see no reason why a kid who is motivated can't pay his way through SHU in terms of today's costs and not leave school with massive debt! If you leave school with massive debt YOU should not be blaming the school! It was your (or your families) personal choice.

I nominate this guy as the new leader in alumni relations..he’ll fix all these problems asap

Giving will sky rocket

 

[batts]

When I went to SHU in the mid-70s, the cost per credit started at $57 per credit but it jumped up to $78 per credit by the time I graduated. i don't recall SHU giving me anything but a solid education. However, if I paid $50,000 in tuition per year, I would have expected a limousine to pick me for my commute, and a high end escort service for my dating life.

 

[HallGuy23]

It will, if the person is out of the SHU Bubble and has big expectations.

Onward Setonia has averaged 1 tweet a day and almost all have been about game watch parties.

Onward Setonia has 0 instagram posts in the last 2 months asking for donations.

Onward Setonia does not have a TikTok account, the number 1 social media at the moment.

Compare this to all other Power 5 teams and it looks like we have mailed it in and are so lost.

Sounds more like our failed NIL director than the AD….

 

[General_Tso]

Sounds more like our failed NIL director than the AD….

Correct, but all of the fumbles leading up to hiring the NIL director and how bad it has been fall on Felt.

 

[Gohall129]

If Felt can’t inspire confidence from low level donors, do we expect him to be able to get corporate and big money sponsors on the line?

Absolutely not. He is not the person who is going to win the big money. Big money donors gets us stars. Our donations add up to get bench pieces

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

Who said anything about a part time job? I worked 50-60 hours a week during the summers in high school and college. I pulled in good OT money too. I worked close to a 40 hour work week during school year while at SHU. My life was classes, work and study for 4 years. I did go to basketball games and dances when I had a chance. No, it was not exactly fun in the short term but it paid off handsomely in the long term. I would also suggest I would never go to a school where I had to get involved with a long term debt issue. There are many other options to get an education and a degree that are more affordable if you do not want to go the route I did. Oh and I am also a CHFC (Charted Financial Consultant) with a pretty good understanding of personal finance.

So I see no reason why a kid who is motivated can't pay his way through SHU in terms of today's costs and not leave school with massive debt! If you leave school with massive debt YOU should not be blaming the school! It was your (or your families) personal choice.

Lot of words and nothing to actually respond to what I said. Guess you were too busy at ShopRite to take any basic reading and rhetoric classes.

 

[SOpirate]

In all seriousness I’m sure Felt is doing all he can. But we have to be objective here. Men’s Basketball is the University’s flagship athletic program, and that team is now quite possibly the worst of all the power conferences. If that’s not an indictment on his Athletic Department, I don’t know what is.

 

[Joe045]

To bad we can't sell the practice facility! We can't afford it anyway

 

[HALL85]

It’s really way more of an issue than Brian Felt. Before spending $2.4 million on a coach, there should’ve been more strategic thought put into this. In the mixed messages, haven’t helped. McBride starts and says we are not behind, then last year the message was we are fine with NIL although we could use more.

Where was the business plan? It’s simple math. Can the university raise an additional $3 - $5 million every year on top of the donations it currently gets from its base? and do that each year.

Are there other revenue generating avenues school can execute on?

You can’t just do the same thing and expecting different results.

 

[Pirate143]

This is a crazy chat stream.

Both my wife and I along with ALL of my family members and their future spouses, attended and graduated from Seton Hall in the early to mid 80s. The SH Prep was still on campus. We had a bubble in a parking lot for our recreational facility. Comparing that to the current state of the campus is apples and oranges. We also had a basketball team that was at the bottom of the conference year after year after year. We would pack Walsh and had a great time enjoying our college experience, thankful that we had one.

To read about the graduates from the mid 2000s and their disdain for the school is heartbreaking. I hope that changes as time passes with a view toward a glass half full view of the school.

As for hoops, we've had a terrific 10 year run or so and last year we turned lemons into lemonade by winning the NIT. While we all wanted to go to the big dance, the school did a terrific job maximizing the experience. If you didn't attend, you missed a nice bonding experience with the school.

By any measure our coach is terrific and he's well suited for the school. He's not perfect. Whether going to games, contributing or just providing positive support on a message board, one way or another, lets show support. No one is happy but we will get through this and despite the nightly drones, the world's not coming to an end, and I suspect the school's not firing either the coach or the AD.

 

[HallX2]

This is a crazy chat stream.

Both my wife and I along with ALL of my family members and their future spouses, attended and graduated from Seton Hall in the early to mid 80s. The SH Prep was still on campus. We had a bubble in a parking lot for our recreational facility. Comparing that to the current state of the campus is apples and oranges. We also had a basketball team that was at the bottom of the conference year after year after year. We would pack Walsh and had a great time enjoying our college experience, thankful that we had one.

To read about the graduates from the mid 2000s and their disdain for the school is heartbreaking. I hope that changes as time passes with a view toward a glass half full view of the school.

As for hoops, we've had a terrific 10 year run or so and last year we turned lemons into lemonade by winning the NIT. While we all wanted to go to the big dance, the school did a terrific job maximizing the experience. If you didn't attend, you missed a nice bonding experience with the school.

By any measure our coach is terrific and he's well suited for the school. He's not perfect. Whether going to games, contributing or just providing positive support on a message board, one way or another, lets show support. No one is happy but we will get through this and despite the nightly drones, the world's not coming to an end, and I suspect the school's not firing either the coach or the AD.

Thank you. A rare sane poster.

 

[MooneyHall07]

Likely much more than that. We’ve beaten this topic to death. Our older generation of fans was likely the first in their family to graduate college and therefore they all felt immense pride in their school of choice. It was a great accomplishment then. It was a privilege to attend college.

Nowadays, its a right, it’s an expectation. Kids feel forced to attend and are saddled with debt that they don’t want but have no choice. The colleges have raised prices to insane levels knowing they can get away with it.

They leave angry, in massive debt and with jobs that likely have nothing to do with their college experience.

Expecting the new generation to donate is a very difficult task. You’re trying to find a needle in a haystack with someone that had: a great experience and makes good money. Harder than you think.

This is accurate in a lot of ways, and I think it is causing a shift in how kids attend college, especially those whose parents have a ton of student loan debt.

This is anecdotal but I feel like the more I talk to younger (18-23) college kids or slightly older, the more I see them taking advantage of the community college -> transfer route. When I graduated high school in the 2000s, it was almost looked down upon to go to community college, which is insane in hindsight given the amount of money saved by going the county college route.

It's also becoming more and more popular to either (1) attend remotely or (2) attend a satellite campus. SHU has the nursing undergraduate program in Freehold. Rutgers has programs at community colleges all throughout the State, where you can take all of your classes (2 years at county college, 2 years at Rutgers) on site at the county college or online and still earn a RU degree. NJCU tried to open a campus at Fort Monmouth that almost killed the school financially, but they had the right idea. All of these schools allow a student to commute to a school or program that they may not have been able to in the past. The challenge for SHU and other private schools will be to attract qualified students who are becoming risk-adverse to accumulating student-loan debt.