The bill didn’t do background checks on all purchases and transfers. There were exemptions for family and friends. You had to sell to stranger to have a background check under that bill. You can literally sell to a mentally ill friend with no background check in that bill. That’s progress?
You're for the principle of any law against guns as opposed to one that will work.
Kind of like once people see Trump as President didn't end America as we know it, they'll be more open to a second term?
You have complaints without adding any solutions. How do you propose we solve these problems?
This is a reasonable position that most gun owners would support. If both parties really wanted to reduce gun violence (and resulting deaths), they would put together a comprehensive plan that included everything in your last paragraph. If you just lead with legislation limiting gun purchases, it’s a non-starter because it doesn’t address the issues responsible for the majority of gun violence.
I'm arguing it wouldn't have had a big impact, not that it's imperfect. Legislation involves compromise but this is no way moved the needle. Friends/Family expemption. Are we piratecrew friends? LMAO. Can I buy a gun from you without a background check. LOL
My thoughts are the whole law is a loophole. As long as I can get my friend to buy a gun I want, then sell/transfer it to me, I can get anything I want. I'm not a criminal mastermind in anyway and I just skirted the system. Not to mention if I'm the gun owner and I want to sell my gun and don't want to do the paperwork, I'll just claim the buyer is my friend. How does someone prove he's not?
You see a small change, while I think every sale in the country could bypass that small change by just saying we're friends. A small change that isn't on the honor system would be a good small change. This is on the honor system.
The problem with that line of thinking is that the small changes have the biggest impact on legal and law, abiding gun owners. It is a non-starter for them.
My friends are baseball card hobbyists. They go to shows and have become friends with many other hobbyists. I'm sure it's the same with gun hobbyists. Loophole, don't need to do a background check. But I guess I'm wrong.
I disagree. I know dozens of gun owners, and they are unanimous in the point of view that I shared. It’s the way you asked the question. They would be for background checks if there was also legislation and enforcement that was strict.
Yup that's my assumption because people will do what they have to do to make money, just like every pizzeria and landscaper out there is intentionally breaking the law with a few hires here and there, but they do it to make more money. But don't worry there's a loophole friend.
x1000 to your last statement. why does their have to be the perfect solution preventing from any solution. kids being trapped and shot in their classrooms is just about the worst thing you could think of on earth. and people are actively against making progress. tells you a lot
People are for progress, but we disagree on what is progress. That bill wasn't worth the paper it was written on. It gave every sale a potential loophole plus it also did nothing for black market sales, which is nearly half the problem with guns in this country.
We have lobbyists in every aspect of our economy. Guns no different and fighting the money is a steep climb. Those lobbyists don’t do what’s best for the public in many cases (food, Pharma, etc.). BTW, I wouldn’t be shocked to see that tons of legislators on both sides have weapon stocks in their portfolio. The lobby is not going to budge until there is legislation that deals with the primary causes of gun violence. Until then, you’re right…they won’t do anything.
Because a “small bill” ignores the vast majority of gun homicides, and restricts the rights of lawful and law abiding gun owners. It’s interesting that the vast majority of these school shooters are students, from dysfunctional families where a parent provided access to the gun. Charging and convicting these parents will have a greater impact than any “small bill”.
Why couldn't they pass that same bill that still requires background checks to family and friends literally taking away a very easy way to get around it. They're handing it to you on a silver platter to not do background checks with something not easy to prove. We have these murders. We have fraud. We have identity theft. Yet you want to believe people are going to act in good faith with a bill with so many holes in it. SMH
because kids dying is a charade for processed foods and letting terrorist attacks happen on our soil. literally deflections posted here last 24 hours. insane.
Knee jerk response is proposing legislation which would have zero impact on the problem. And that’s what typically happens after a shooting.
And that’s the sad part. School shootings get the headlines because it’s in the middle class backyard, but no one wants to address where most of the gun fatalities (and more youth are actually dying).
I’m for background checks, but there has actually been a huge increase in checks in the past 10 years. Also need to consider with a check is that it is static at the point of purchasing your first gun. What if a person develops a mental health or substance issue 5 or 10 years later?
What you’re missing are criminal penalties and automatic jail time for those that use a gun (legal or illegal) in the commission of a crime. No pleas.
you do realize the coverage school shootings get vs the coverage urban violence gets is insane. Maybe if we gave the same coverage to violence in our ghettos we’d be able to put ourselves in their shoes and not look at it as oh I can avoid that place easily so as long as it happens there no big deal to me. Every time there’s a school shooting we learn about the victims, their family and friends. Urban settings you get shooting in the Bronx, coming up next the weekend weather.
oops 418. dont knee jerk react to this.
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why does everything have to be a comparison? 100% of school shootings are done by kids to kids. but forget that. they get covered because it's SCHOOL. its supposed to be a safe place for children not a curated firing squad with children as the game. why does this even need to be twisted in this way? why does coverage of school shootings matter? why does anything other then "yes we should do anything we can to try to minimize school shootings" your answer? we fight it tooth and nail. despicable.
Because more children in urban environments die from gun violence. Did their lives matter less to you? That’s pretty sad.
