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Biden VP pick and bias in reporting

I'm not really a fan of Harris. I thought she ran a horrible campaign and did not do well in the debates except for 1 of them. Her record isn't bad but she ran away from it because she was afraid of progressives.

There were better choices out there but all probably carried a bit more risk.
Kind of like Biden being the safe play in 2008, I feel that Harris was the safest for 2020.

I look forward to her debating Nikki Haley.

I don't agree that she's very moderate, and Biden was considered a moderate before the DNC reprogrammed him. Harris/Haley would be a great debate, probably much better than Biden/Trump.
 
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Harris was a head scratcher to me. (Although Val Demmings has limited experience, she would have been a better choice IMO). Re: Harris
* This does nothing to bring the Bernie bros under the tent and get them enthused about supporting the ticket...does this really help Millennial turnout?
* Biden already has California and although VP's typically don't move the needle, it just gives Trump more ammo to get his base to come out because of her support of sanctuary cities. This will be met with a thud in the swing states...talked to a few Dem pols this morning in PA and they all think it was a mistake and hurts their chances in the state.
* She is pretty unlikeable...not nearly as bad as Hillary, but right up there. She couldn't get any AA votes in the Democratic primary.
* There will likely be no audience for the debates, so the canned lines she was notorious for will have no cheering behind them.
* As much as the MSM wants to label the pick has historic, I don't see the Biden base or swing voters being any more enthused….enthusiasm translates into turnout.
Well, I take the opposite view point. I say don’t cater to the Bernie Bros. They have loud voices but are a very small minority of the party. Most of the party is moderates and it is more important to get independents. She is not going to offend independent voters. Wall St is happy with her. While Val Demmings was someone worth looking at in a state that was important, but again this is a big stage and this could have been too big for her. I am sure there was some thorough vetting.
 
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Do you think they would get equal treatment as women of color?

Don't know about equal, but a lot of the support to add Hayley to the 2020 that I have seen mentions her heritage as something that would be attractive to add.
 
I don't agree that she's very moderate, and Biden was considered a moderate before the DNC reprogrammed him.

Progressives think they are too far to the right and republicans think they are too far to the left. She and Biden are both moderate.
 
1 term as governor will qualify someone?

Yes, much more so than a member of congress. As governor, decisions have to be made, departments run, etc. None of that applies to members of congress.

Was Tim Kaine qualified when you voted for Hilary?
 
Yes, much more so than a member of congress. As governor, decisions have to be made, departments run, etc. None of that applies to members of congress.

Was Tim Kaine qualified when you voted for Hilary?

I didn't mean to say that his term as governor wasn't long enough, I just would have thought 30 some years as a senator and 8 years as Vice President would have been enough to qualify someone.
 
The sad part is that neither Trump, Biden, nor Harris are qualified to run the country. Pence is but he is too conservative socially.

I think Pence would make a fine president, but he'd need to moderate on some issues, specifically gay rights.
 
I didn't mean to say that his term as governor wasn't long enough, I just would have thought 30 some years as a senator and 8 years as Vice President would have been enough to qualify someone.

The senator experience is fairly useless, senators don't know how to run anything. 8 years as vice president could/should be helpful but you don't run anything. And in Biden's case, it's meaningless as he has just lost it, he's demented now.
 
I think Trump has done a decent job through all of this. He has done the best he could to strike a balance between managing the virus and keeping the country up and running. Given everything that has happened recently and with Biden's VP pick today, I am now wavering on voting for Biden. Probably in the undecided camp as of today.

Trump? Thru the virus? He has been an unmitigated disaster....on his best day. Otherwise, he has been an outright tale-teller, liar, and misleading....causing much more harm than good. Much more.

Wasnt it our little Prez who said back in February...that "we have this under control. Its only a little flu. It will disappear like magic."

Or. "hey, why don't we drink bleach....that should kill the virus, right?"

and there are many, many more.....

a disaster......
 
Kind of like Biden being the safe play in 2008, I feel that Harris was the safest for 2020.

Some say it was safe and others not so much.

I tend to side with the not safe crowd. Yes she is safe when compared to Warren. I think Klobuchar or Gabbard would have been a safer choice. I say safer, but not good. Neither of them shine in the sniff test as a successor. I think that test was the most important box to check.

She was rejected as a presidential candidate. I believe the concerns about Biden being able to complete a term are valid. I don't see the American public willing to have her as their president.

She had low support from African Americans.

Other than California and New York, she has low appeal. Those states would go with Biden regardless. I can't see Ohio, Michigan, or Florida, accepting her as a possible president.

If Carol Moseley Braun were a few years younger, she would have been a better choice.
 
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I think Trump has done a decent job through all of this. He has done the best he could to strike a balance between managing the virus and keeping the country up and running. Given everything that has happened recently and with Biden's VP pick today, I am now wavering on voting for Biden. Probably in the undecided camp as of today.
It’s taking me 4 months to get my custom Italian suits. They’re not doing well.
 
Trump? Thru the virus? He has been an unmitigated disaster....on his best day. Otherwise, he has been an outright tale-teller, liar, and misleading....causing much more harm than good. Much more.

Wasnt it our little Prez who said back in February...that "we have this under control. Its only a little flu. It will disappear like magic."

Or. "hey, why don't we drink bleach....that should kill the virus, right?"

and there are many, many more.....

a disaster......
Bleach?

In February the vast majority of doctors in this country were saying it was just the flu

he’s handled this like we expected. Some like it, some don’t.

and states took control too. Coumo for example. No blame there?

Never trumpers will never give trump a fair shake or debate an issue. But will fight for mail in ballots lol

just beat trump on the merits and with a reasonable platform, which hypothetically can be done if dems stop pandering to the loudest people who are in the minority. Give me that candidate and I vote left

give me Biden 10 years ago, I’m good
 
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The senator experience is fairly useless, senators don't know how to run anything. 8 years as vice president could/should be helpful but you don't run anything. And in Biden's case, it's meaningless as he has just lost it, he's demented now.
Hmm, I guess Obama, LBJ, JFK, and the best President since 1900 - Harry Truman Would say something different.

btw, Biden has slowed for sure and he is not as sharp as he once was. But how is that a criticism when compared to Trump who makes all sorts of mistakes and says the dumbest things.
 
Trump? Thru the virus? He has been an unmitigated disaster....on his best day. Otherwise, he has been an outright tale-teller, liar, and misleading....causing much more harm than good. Much more.

Wasnt it our little Prez who said back in February...that "we have this under control. Its only a little flu. It will disappear like magic."

Or. "hey, why don't we drink bleach....that should kill the virus, right?"

and there are many, many more.....

a disaster......

A smart person doesn't take everything Trump says as literal. Much of it is bluster. You have to read between the lines and look at what he actually does, rather than says.
 
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Hmm, I guess Obama, LBJ, JFK, and the best President since 1900 - Harry Truman Would say something different.

LBJ, JFK, and the best President since 1900 - Harry Truman are old history, not relevant at all anymore.

Obama makes my point, terrible president, didn't know how to run anything, so much was corrupt.

btw, Biden has slowed for sure and he is not as sharp as he once was. But how is that a criticism when compared to Trump who makes all sorts of mistakes and says the dumbest things.

Not meant to support Trump with that assertion, this election is The Maniac vs. The Demented. And both of those nicknames apply to both candidates.
 
A smart person doesn't take everything Trump says as literal. Much of it is bluster. You have to read between the lines and look at what he actually does, rather than says.
I dislike trump but this is true. I think people are stupid and believe it or try to twist it to crap on him. Those who hate him should just focus on his shit policies like SALT, or a wall or FEMA. But then you’d have to defeat his good policies like addressing family leave, criminal justice, China trade, NATO, etc. I really co sided myself middle of the road but the loud left scare me at times.
 
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A smart person doesn't take everything Trump says as literal. Much of it is bluster. You have to read between the lines and look at what he actually does, rather than says.



We reading between the lines on that one as well? Absolutely despicable from a US president.
 
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Trump saw a poll where he was losing suburban white women and is trying to win them back by saying they won't have to live near brown people if they support him.
It's disgusting.
Well he didn't say that, but.....
 
IMO, the debates loom even larger this cycle because the conventions will be abbreviated with no crowds. Likely there will be little or no bounce. Also, debates will have no audience (probably plays advantage to Trump/Pence). It comes down to Joe's dementia and how much Trump turns off independent voters in swing states. VP debates normally don't mean much, but if Biden looks shaky, voters are going to be analyzing Harris for sure.
 
Trump saw a poll where he was losing suburban white women and is trying to win them back by saying they won't have to live near brown people if they support him.
It's disgusting.

Of course, you see everything through a racial lens. It has nothing to do with living near "brown people." Plenty of black and brown people live in those communities. What he said was he wouldn't bring low income housing to those neighborhoods, which is the right policy. It would raise their taxes, lower home values and increase crime.

If you live in a $700K home in Maplewood, do you want low income housing down the street? Nobody in their right mind would.
 
Trump saw a poll where he was losing suburban white women and is trying to win them back by saying they won't have to live near brown people if they support him.
It's disgusting.

Crime doesn't go up with the addition of low income to areas? News to me.
 
Of course, you see everything through a racial lens.

I see racism when people say racist things.

Plenty of black and brown people live in those communities.

This is not a coincidence that Trump is pushing this after some bad polling of suburban white women. A group he will need support from in order to win.

It would raise their taxes, lower home values and increase crime.

In their heads, sure. In realty that is not true.

If you live in a $700K home in Maplewood, do you want low income housing down the street? Nobody in their right mind would.

Maplewood is probably not the best town to poll. Super liberal and they would probably say yes.

In any case. He should debate the merits of the program. That's fine, but he shouldn't call people trying to help their families by moving into a nicer area "invaders" ... he is their president too.
 
I see racism when people say racist things.



This is not a coincidence that Trump is pushing this after some bad polling of suburban white women. A group he will need support from in order to win.



In their heads, sure. In realty that is not true.



Maplewood is probably not the best town to poll. Super liberal and they would probably say yes.

In any case. He should debate the merits of the program. That's fine, but he shouldn't call people trying to help their families by moving into a nicer area "invaders" ... he is their president too.

It's not racist, it's just facts.
 
I see racism when people say racist things.



This is not a coincidence that Trump is pushing this after some bad polling of suburban white women. A group he will need support from in order to win.



In their heads, sure. In realty that is not true.



Maplewood is probably not the best town to poll. Super liberal and they would probably say yes.

In any case. He should debate the merits of the program. That's fine, but he shouldn't call people trying to help their families by moving into a nicer area "invaders" ... he is their president too.
You can argue whether what Trump said about low income housing is racist or not, but how is it any different than a politician saying that police are bad & they support defunding police to a group of urban youth or they are in favor of reparations to descendants of former slaves at a rally.

Right or wrong, isn't it just political pandering to your base or people you hope to align with you and your message?
 
I am glad to educate you then.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w22204.pdf

"Finally, LIHTC development causes declines in both violent and property crime within low income areas, but not does not increase crime in high income areas."

How about peoole live where they can afford? Your study is fake news, we have a low income house in our neighborhood and the cops have been there more times than I can count.
 
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You can argue whether what Trump said about low income housing is racist or not, but how is it any different than a politician saying that police are bad & they support defunding police to a group of urban youth or they are in favor of reparations to descendants of former slaves at a rally.

Right or wrong, isn't it just political pandering to your base or people you hope to align with you and your message?


Give me examples and I will give you my opinion.

Telling white women to be afraid of the poor invaders is WAY over the line from the president of the united states.

Sad that reasonable people here don't see that,
 
How about peoole live where they can afford? Your study is fake news, we have a low income house in our neighborhood and the cops have been there more times than I can count.

Your unwillingness to see things outside your scope of view is on brand.
 
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Your unwillingness to see things outside your scope of view is on brand.

Your study was cited by Vox, maybe the fakest of fake news sources. Can you find me.a study that Vox doesn't promote?
 
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