Carino: Wake-Up Call

[ivyhillparkk1963]

Sure the $$$. He had 2 points versus Alabama, a road win. But if you watch Ole Miss games you see Davis is playing 29-30 minutes. He’s probably the fourth option on offense. He’s in there for defense, hustle plays, keep the ball moving and some rebounding. He’s on the court late. And he’s playing on a top 20 team. Was never going to be a pro. He’s doing very well for himself and his family.

Listen we can argue all day whether he's a pro or not . I'm just saying when you standout with stats you get the attention.
Let me ask before the ncaa tournament in 89 was John Morton even on the NBA draft boards. He played his way to a top 15 pick because he was the man with the stats..

 

[dehere23]

Sure the $$$. He had 2 points versus Alabama, a road win. But if you watch Ole Miss games you see Davis is playing 29-30 minutes. He’s probably the fourth option on offense. He’s in there for defense, hustle plays, keep the ball moving and some rebounding. He’s on the court late. And he’s playing on a top 20 team. Was never going to be a pro. He’s doing very well for himself and his family.

Yup. Wild the takes people have on this stuff. Last I looked, his numbers were still 10/5 and he is getting good minutes, on a good team, for a good coach and at a great place to be a college athlete. Can you imagine what it must be like to be an athlete at a high major sport at a place like Ole Miss?

 

[dehere23]

Listen we can argue all day whether he's a pro or not . I'm just saying when you standout with stats you get the attention.
Let me ask before the ncaa tournament in 89 was John Morton even on the NBA draft boards. He played his way to a top 15 pick because he was the man with the stats..

You also standout by being part of a good team, in a good league, playing in a pro system, doing things you will be asked to do as a pro.

The NBA and other professional organizations aren't stupid. They find kids who have talent. Everywhere. They aren't looking purely at stat lines. Some of the best college basketball players who put up gigantic college stats were blips on the pro radar, and some kids who played roles on good teams end up with good professional options or even in the league.

 

[Pirate143]

Bottom line, it’s all about the $: the SEC has the FBall $. They put a QR Code on a scoreboard viewed by 100,000 people, say 20% donate $100 each game over 6 - 7 home games and they have a nice NIL fund. Outside of the SEC/B10/B12 most of the other programs are similarly situated. We just are behind the 8 Ball due to mismanagement.

 

[LBP43]

We’re getting absolutely humiliated..

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Pitino is such Slime -he (his lackeys) were negotiating with KR (his Family ) during the Season last Year.

 

[williaza01]

Pitino is such Slime -he (his lackeys) were negotiating with KR (his Family ) during the Season last Year.

Yea so were at least 2 other teams

One started in December

 

[dehere23]

Yea so were at least 2 other teams

One started in December

It’s almost like texting a player on another team’s mom and family 100+ times in season to get him to leave…..

 

[PJVegas]

Bottom three NIL power conference programs, per Trilly:

Seton Hall, Minnesota, Boston College

We are the worst in the Big East.

At least SH is best at something, even if it’s not good. 😵‍💫

 

[HallX2]

Bottom line, it’s all about the $: the SEC has the FBall $. They put a QR Code on a scoreboard viewed by 100,000 people, say 20% donate $100 each game over 6 - 7 home games and they have a nice NIL fund. Outside of the SEC/B10/B12 most of the other programs are similarly situated. We just are behind the 8 Ball due to mismanagement.

Do we have 1000 who would donate? Doubt it. Alligator arms and caustic tongues are what are here.

 

[TheHall87]

Listen we can argue all day whether he's a pro or not . I'm just saying when you standout with stats you get the attention.
Let me ask before the ncaa tournament in 89 was John Morton even on the NBA draft boards. He played his way to a top 15 pick because he was the man with the stats..

Dre could have been a standout here (although not having someone who could reliably get him the ball where he likes it would have been a problem) but few would have cared if we were a 10 or 11 win team that went out on Wednesday in the Big East Tournament.

At Mississippi, he moved down a peg or two in the pecking order but he has a chance to play in the second weekend of the NCAAs.

BTW, remember all of this next year when Coleman is elsewhere and his numbers drop because he's no longer the best player on a bad team.

 

[Pirate143]

Do we have 1000 who would donate? Doubt it. Alligator arms and caustic tongues are what are here.

That was not the message I am trying to communicate. Those schools promote their NIL. We need to do better. An obvious understatement.

Look at the Onward committee, most have other employment commitments and, while doing their best, and not as a criticism, are essentially volunteering toward an effort that should have a fully funded and dedicated staff. The school can and must do more. Every game should be an opportunity to pick up money, create a data base and cultivate potential NIL donors.

 

[SHUSA]

That was not the message I am trying to communicate. Those schools promote their NIL. We need to do better. An obvious understatement.

Look at the Onward committee, most have other employment commitments and, while doing their best, and not as a criticism, are essentially volunteering toward an effort that should have a fully funded and dedicated staff. The school can and must do more. Every game should be an opportunity to pick up money, create a data base and cultivate potential NIL donors.

how would you monetize every game this season?

 

[hinson32]

Pitino is such Slime -he (his lackeys) were negotiating with KR (his Family ) during the Season last Year.

Didn't you so the same with TT?

 

[dehere23]

Didn't you so the same with TT?

And probably with KR the first time, too. Just didn’t get caught like we did with TT.

 

[hinson32]

And probably with KR the first time, too. Just didn’t get caught like we did with TT.

Pretty good chance every school does this.

 

[Halldan1]

So Dan's info on the trove was flat out wrong?

Didn't he say after the last drive the board had that we were over 2.5 million?

I don't remember ever saying that. I did say $1.9M was the goal for last year (2024)

If mistaken pls verify.

ALso, please do not post Trove info here.

 

[shupat08]

I don't remember ever saying that. I did say $1.9M was the goal for last year (2024)

If mistaken pls verify.

ALso, please do not post Trove info here.

Sorry Dan! And I guess I misread or misremembered something that you posted.

Apologies!

 

[Bud Boomer]

Dre could have been a standout here (although not having someone who could reliably get him the ball where he likes it would have been a problem) but few would have cared if we were a 10 or 11 win team that went out on Wednesday in the Big East Tournament.

At Mississippi, he moved down a peg or two in the pecking order but he has a chance to play in the second weekend of the NCAAs.

BTW, remember all of this next year when Coleman is elsewhere and his numbers drop because he's no longer the best player on a bad team.

A team of Kadary, Dre and any reasonable cast of supporting players would have been picked towards the top of the league and a fringe top 25-50 team all year. Similar to ole miss. Dre also would have been preseason all-league here.

Not finding the money to keep those two guys was an all-time fumble by the school. There’s no other way to put it. They kneecapped their head coach. It’s the reason I cannot turn on Shaheen despite the awful product on the court this season.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

We’re getting absolutely humiliated..

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If barstool is the pendulum on this, help us all

 

[Seton75]

Listen we can argue all day whether he's a pro or not . I'm just saying when you standout with stats you get the attention.
Let me ask before the ncaa tournament in 89 was John Morton even on the NBA draft boards. He played his way to a top 15 pick because he was the man with the stats..

John worked al summer to improve his three. and it worked. He shot better and that sure helped him get drafted. And now, they might draft a kid who couldnt dribble if he shot the 3 well.

 

[radecicco]

I’ve posted this and others have as well, SHU needs roughly $3.5 million to have a competitive BE team, at least on paper. Then those guys have to perform up to expectations.

 

[HallX2]

Didn't you so the same with TT?

Could be but generally in the past you didn’t do that within your conference

 

[HallGuy23]

If barstool is the pendulum on this, help us all

Times change ya know…. They’re a major outlet. It’s this kind of thinking that always has SHU behind.

 

[HallLine69]

Sha is struggling in all areas. His whole mentality is contradictory to the new environment and he must've learned the lesson this year that he cannot build a team the way he wants and needs to adjust. This team stinks and is not coached well. Clearly his messaging doesn't connect either. If he hasn't learned that and continues to put his head in the ground and try to control all himself, eventually he'll be back at a school like St. Peter's. We'll be talking about him being our Ewing, Mullin, LaVall Jordan. This season has been an epic disaster for him and really opens questions.

Hey look, HOF caliber coaches realized this early in the NIL age and checked out. Ask our friends from Philly. Every coach goes through this, we'll see how he responds.

But he is not the biggest problem. He is a better coach than the leaders at SHU are leaders. If the school doesn't improve what it's doing, Sha should leave. He's going to kill his career if they cannot get their act together. We had less than a $2M budget. I mean, c'mon.

I love your statement that Sha is a better coach than our SHU leaders are leaders.
Perfectly stated.

 

[HallLine69]

I’ve posted this and others have as well, SHU needs roughly $3.5 million to have a competitive BE team, at least on paper. Then those guys have to perform up to expectations.

And then
Another $3.7M the following year and $4.0M the year after that. It is not sustainable and it is utter madness. We are the Pittsburgh Pirates of college hoops.

 

[SOBO1]

I’ve posted this and others have as well, SHU needs roughly $3.5 million to have a competitive BE team, at least on paper. Then those guys have to perform up to expectations.

That’s correct assuming there’s no inflation, but we’ve seen hyper inflation in this space each year. I think there will be significant inflation next year due to rev share. My assumption is that collectives will continue to pay $4M a year and rev share will add another $2-3M to the pot and total payroll will balloon to $6-7M. Obviously some teams will spend significantly more than that but I think $5M will be the benchmark for us.

 

[Pirate Russ]

I don't remember ever saying that. I did say $1.9M was the goal for last year (2024)

I had assumed through connecting the dots that we spent - $1.5 - $1.7M.

Whatever the money is, I wish we could have given the money to the school in another capacity because this is the biggest waste of money imaginable. A team that has lost to Fordham (8-10), Hofstra (10-8) and Monmouth (5-14). In addition, this $1.7M roster has not had a lead in 1 second of big east basketball at home (excluding OT). And, we have led for a grand total of 11 minutes in all our big east games (excluding OT - thanks for input from left coast pirate).

The team is virtually unwatchable, and as i have said, you could deal with this if you were looking for player development for future years. With the transfer portal, most of these guys will be gone. I watched Minn vs Michigan a few nights ago and saw Femi (his 4th school in 4 years). They have ruined college basketball.

I wish the 1.7M we spent could go to old Pirate players who may be struggling, or to at least reward the ones that brought us so much joy ( and were Pirates for life). I actually think being able to pay the players based on Athletic Profit make some sense. Nonetheless, unless you start restricting the collectives and fixing the transfer portal, college basketball will end up being like the NBA where viewership is down 50+%.

 

[chickenbox]

I had assumed through connecting the dots that we spent - $1.5 - $1.7M.

Whatever the money is, I wish we could have given the money to the school in another capacity because this is the biggest waste of money imaginable. A team that has lost to Fordham (8-10), Hofstra (10-8) and Monmouth (5-14). In addition, this $1.7M roster has not had a lead in 1 second of big east basketball at home (excluding OT). And, we have led for a grand total of 11 minutes in all our big east games (excluding OT - thanks for input from left coast pirate).

The team is virtually unwatchable, and as i have said, you could deal with this if you were looking for player development for future years. With the transfer portal, most of these guys will be gone. I watched Minn vs Michigan a few nights ago and saw Femi (his 4th school in 4 years). They have ruined college basketball.

I wish the 1.7M we spent could go to old Pirate players who may be struggling, or to at least reward the ones that brought us so much joy ( and were Pirates for life). I actually think being able to pay the players based on Athletic Profit make some sense. Nonetheless, unless you start restricting the collectives and fixing the transfer portal, college basketball will end up being like the NBA where viewership is down 50+%.

It really is incredible. I'm creeping up on 40 years watching (I used to be a little boy!), often through very lean years , and can't remember us being so bad. History-making failure on the horizon.

 

[TheHall87]

A team of Kadary, Dre and any reasonable cast of supporting players would have been picked towards the top of the league and a fringe top 25-50 team all year. Similar to ole miss. Dre also would have been preseason all-league here.

Not finding the money to keep those two guys was an all-time fumble by the school. There’s no other way to put it. They kneecapped their head coach. It’s the reason I cannot turn on Shaheen despite the awful product on the court this season.

My original premise was based on not having Kadary -- and I'm not sure we would have in any scenario.

If we had paid Kadary and Dre, we probably couldn't have afforded a reasonable cast of supporting players. I think those two are being paid more than our entire current roster.

Presuming that's the case, there's a good chance there's no Coleman, Jenkins, Dylan, Middleton and Dual. I'd be shocked if more than one of them were here.

So, you're left with Felton, Aligbe, Toumi and the three centers plus whatever other scraps Sha could have pulled together.