Chris Matthews on Trump
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I get your point, but he seemed to be saying many of the same things I have been saying here, so I thought it might be a wise reading of the situation...lol. If it is good, I am right, if it sucks, remember, I was half asleep.
Not implying you're an idiot too...
. I'll take a look, ONLY BECAUSE I respect the multiple angles you look at things, even when we disagree...which is often....lol.If Matthews is saying it, I'm pretty sure we can all comfortably say you are wrong now. He did indeed echo a lot of your comments. Said people are drawn to him because they are tired of politicians, want jobs, don't want to lose in trade etc.
I'm still not sold that he has the type of mass appeal where he could win... In the recent Quinnipiac poll, half of registered voters would be embarrassed to have Trump as their president. Hillary had 35%.
I'm still not sold that he has the type of mass appeal where he could win... In the recent Quinnipiac poll, half of registered voters would be embarrassed to have Trump as their president. Hillary had 35%.
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If you were implying I was an idiot, I will have to play hard ball from now on...Not implying you're an idiot too...
Thanks for the link. The more I look at this Trump phenomena and listen to people who support him, his message is resonating with the working class American. It's the people that go to work each day and have seen their income shrink due to inflation and skyrocketing healthcare costs due to the ACA. It's the people that got laid off during the financial crisis and took a job at less than they were making and all they hear is politicians and the news bragging about 5% unemployment; it's the people that feel Washington is deaf to their problems; it's the people that see the growth of government jobs while private sector jobs continue to be outsourced.
Have you ever seen so many outsiders (Trump, Sanders, Carson, Fiorina, etc.) get so much support? I think this crosses over the isle as well.
In our company, we basically a blue collar workforce that has a high Hispanic share. The support of Trump may surprise you...it did me. Trump is a master of the media and is responding to the two most important issues in that group. Jobs/paycheck and safety/security. He has dumbed down the message (Make America Great Again) and working Americans are looking past his politically incorrect comments because he is connecting on their two most basic needs. That phrase is all about jobs and security. And lets face it, he knows how to build a business and create jobs...especially construction jobs.
I don't know where this is going, but I think the mistake is that people are viewing Trump according to party lines, when we should be looking at his support along the working class segment.
Matthews is still an idiot, but a blind squirrel can find a nut on occasion!
Have you ever seen so many outsiders (Trump, Sanders, Carson, Fiorina, etc.) get so much support? I think this crosses over the isle as well.
In our company, we basically a blue collar workforce that has a high Hispanic share. The support of Trump may surprise you...it did me. Trump is a master of the media and is responding to the two most important issues in that group. Jobs/paycheck and safety/security. He has dumbed down the message (Make America Great Again) and working Americans are looking past his politically incorrect comments because he is connecting on their two most basic needs. That phrase is all about jobs and security. And lets face it, he knows how to build a business and create jobs...especially construction jobs.
I don't know where this is going, but I think the mistake is that people are viewing Trump according to party lines, when we should be looking at his support along the working class segment.
Matthews is still an idiot, but a blind squirrel can find a nut on occasion!
Any blue collar guy who is supporting Trump is in for a rude awakening. Plain talk, tough talk may get people fascinated with him. But what is he really about. Giving more tax breaks to the .01%. Making them more money. What are Trump's favorite things to say. Leverage and renegotiating deals. Those are euphemisms for breaking your contract and because of the great wealth disparity and legal prowess disparity, I will force you to take 40 cents on the dollar from The contract. Or else I will bury you in a legal battle that will drag on for years and you won't get paid your money. You will end up with less than 40 cents on the dollar and have to wait four years to collect it. Or you can take the 40 cent on the dollar offer now. That is how Trump renegotiated the deal.
Business people operate in ruthless ways because money can get you a lot. You can't do that crap as leader of the free world. It would be a disgrace. Do not understand how Trump' business practices have not come out yet.
Business people operate in ruthless ways because money can get you a lot. You can't do that crap as leader of the free world. It would be a disgrace. Do not understand how Trump' business practices have not come out yet.
cern, I get that, but where has Hillary or any of the other Republican candidates helped blue collar workers or have articulated a message (more lies) on how they will help them? I think that's the fascination with Trump. They have suffered under Dem and Rep politicians and are sick of it.
I also don't pretend to know anything about his empire, but to your point, I haven't heard one peep out of any union that has been critical of Trump, nor blue-collar workers that work for him that have claimed he runs sweat shops. You would think the sleaze-bag news services would have been all over this. Being anti-immigration and a tough negotiator with foreign countries is a pro-worker and pro-union message.
Chanel surfing late last night. Watched a MSNBC deal on Trump last night hosted by Mathews, whom I can't stand. Thought it would be a real hit piece since it kept going to some clown author who hates Trump. Overall, it wasn't that bad. Obviously, they tried to say he inherited his $$$ and coned his way into building his wealth, 3 wives etc, but for MSNBC it was "fair & balanced". Don't think it would make any independent change his/her mind about him. Of course, tats one man's opinion.
I think 85 has it, here. Trump's surprising popularity, despite him being a boorish clown, is an indictment of the entire political system -- DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, ALIKE. Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton, Chris Christie = more of the same. Sanders, who is a kook, Trump, and until recently Carson have benefitted from the disgust and fatigue of the populace.
If only we could channel this undercurrent into voting out incumbents on a regular basis, we "the people" could really put a dent in political patronage, legislators-for-life, etc.
It's possible that this is a turn in the right direction for the electorate to stop voting for the same old and try something new. For it to work it has to trickle down to the Senate and Congress folks that have been in there forever. A close friend of mine (a somewhat conservative guy) did that the first time Obama ran. He said I'm gonna vote for him because I'm tired of the same old political stuff. He did not like Romney and is not happy how it worked out but I was surprised at his attitude. He is a bright guy and chose not to look at the history or issues Obama was talking about and just said I'm trying something new. So maybe there is something to it?
I got into a town car outside a hotel in Cleveland this summer on the way to the airport and the driver said he drove a bunch of Trump election folks to the airport and around Cleveland as they were having meetings setting up their campaign. He seemed like a smart guy and said he asked them a lot of questions. Their answer was that they were banking on going after the part of the electorate that would respond to simple issues and phrases and their strategy was to not get too deep into laying out how Trump would deal with certain issues and the mantra was to keep it very simple. They strongly believe that is what the electorate responds to. Since that conversation (because I had no idea if this driver was blowin smoke or what) I have paid attention to Trump and how he acts and I have to say the common voter is who he is clearly targetting and not necessarily Republicans only. The Trump and outsider phenomena is clearly something worth watching and Washington does not like it but it has a lot of folks attention.
When Congress' approval rating is 15%, why would we be surprised that a large part of the country is disgusted with both Dem's and Rep's?
Call Trump a buffoon, showman, boor, etc., but he is a smart guy. You don't get to where he is by being an idiot. And he's not a guy a Board put in place to run a company...it's HIS business and he's created a great deal of wealth, jobs and value with it.
Call Trump a buffoon, showman, boor, etc., but he is a smart guy. You don't get to where he is by being an idiot. And he's not a guy a Board put in place to run a company...it's HIS business and he's created a great deal of wealth, jobs and value with it.
Yea but our voters have been disenchanted for some time, but then they don't go to the polls and make a change especially when its not a presidential election. Big difference. My point was maybe that will start to occur.
Really doubt it. When the time comes, the vast majority will vote how they always vote.
and I am sorry, this whole Trump thing is being blown out of proportion.
I know you guys thing he is building some kind of political movement but majority of conservatives do not take him seriously and very few democrats do. He is the 2016 Sarah Palin. Large amount of enthusiastic support but not the kind of appeal that speaks to the larger electorate.
His attacks on Bush, Rubio, Paul, Carson and Fiorina all helped him but it looks like the opposite is occurring with Cruz. Cruz is a MUCH more skilled politician than anyone of the GOP candidates and is making Donald look bad. Donald will win a few states but he will not get enough support to win outright and will not be the nominee.
The experts have been saying that for months and he keeps defying them. I don't see the Palin comparison at all. A VP candidate that had accomplished nothing and was a throw-in to appease the Religious Right and a failing McCain campaign. Heard some "expert" yesterday indicating Trump is resonating with blue-collar Democrats that feel Clinton is the same-old-same old and Bernie is just too crazy. If people continue to support the "outsider" candidate, he will likely win the nomination, even over Cruz; if they shift to a traditional candidate then Rubio or even Kasich look a lot better.
112, this might be different because voters will get a chance to start at the top...elect a change agent that will shake up the House and Senate and give cause to other outsider candidates. The Tea Party got born because of that discontent, but never got any more momentum and were seen as a splinter of the Republican party. Trump is really setting himself up to transcend both parties (which is why the leadership of both are nervous).
Ignore their accomplishments and listen to what they are saying and then listen to the people who support them.
There are some very similar characteristics between Palin and Trump supporters.... speaking of which, she just endorsed the Donald. Makes Iowa a little more interesting.
Trumps does not do well with democrats in any polling I have seen. That "expert" is either citing their neighbor or just making stuff up. Bernie has more supporters than Trump does but he is too crazy?
Until the poll #'s and statistics change more in his favor, Trump isn't winning anything past the republican nomination, which is still iffy even now (althought it is likely...sad commentary on how angry and hate-filled a portion of the right has become).
What I mean is that Trump has not & almost certainly will not garner any of the groups that put Obama over the top in the last two elections: young people, black people, women & Hispanics. Yes it's entirely possible the #'s can change, but can you honestly say that you think this blowhard with limited oratory skills, spouting both veiled & overt racism, is going to sway those voters? I await the response saying that Trump is going to bring all these old angry white people out of the woodwork to vote in #'s that will supercede the groups I just mentioned. Old angry white people have been coming out for elections forever. I really doubt there are that many that gave up on the process and only now will starting voting again.
A swing state by swing state breakdown of the four groups I listed would show what I'm getting at. But I suspect it's too early for that data. But going by the '08 & '12 numbers in the swing states, it wasn't pretty for the Republicans.
What I mean is that Trump has not & almost certainly will not garner any of the groups that put Obama over the top in the last two elections: young people, black people, women & Hispanics. Yes it's entirely possible the #'s can change, but can you honestly say that you think this blowhard with limited oratory skills, spouting both veiled & overt racism, is going to sway those voters? I await the response saying that Trump is going to bring all these old angry white people out of the woodwork to vote in #'s that will supercede the groups I just mentioned. Old angry white people have been coming out for elections forever. I really doubt there are that many that gave up on the process and only now will starting voting again.
A swing state by swing state breakdown of the four groups I listed would show what I'm getting at. But I suspect it's too early for that data. But going by the '08 & '12 numbers in the swing states, it wasn't pretty for the Republicans.
There is no comparison...Trump is talking about jobs and security, and he has a track record for job creation. Palin was pandering to the Religious Right....Trump was tripping over himself at Liberty University last night, but no one cares....lol
Polls I have seen show Bernie doing better head to head against Trump than Hillary....which supports that Dem voters want change, and think Bernie is more of a change guy than even Trump.
I guess I'm not the only one who sees it.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features...donald-trump-for-president/?ex_cid=538twitter
I have never understood why people call Trump "racist." There is nothing racist about wanting to enforce immigration laws.
the rhetoric is pretty ugly. Alot of demagoguery & dog whistle stuff. Surprised you don't catch it. I have no problem with deporting illegal immigrants and trying to prevent people from sneaking in, it's just not really that big a deal so i don't vote based on it.
I would suggest that you reread the speech he gave when announcing his candidacy. I do not think Donald is a racist but some of the speeches he gives clearly are. I think he tries to be outrageous in what he says and some of things he says go way over the line.
Tom K
"The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems. … When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
So the Mexican immigrants are mostly criminal rapists but a few of them might be good people.
You don't think that is racist?
I suggest you read the definition of racism because what you quoted above from Trump doesn't fit it. Is it politically incorrect? Sure. Racism is hatred towards another race or the belief that one's race is superior to the other. Where did he say that in the above statement? He even admitted that they have good people. A racist would never do that.
I don't know about the factuality of the "rapists" part but is it not true that tons of drugs and plenty of criminals cross the border?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism
I think his comments fit well into the definition. "hatred or intolerance of another race or other races."
So if I say Black people are violent criminals, it is not racist as long as I say that some of them might be good people?
Of course some illegal immigrants commit crimes, but is their crime rate any different than people in America?
No data shows they are committing more crime than Americans, and it may actually be at a lower rate out of fears of deportation. and yes, drugs do come in from Mexico but that would stop if Americans weren't the ones using the drugs.
Not saying we should turn a bling eye to the issue, but Trump's comments seem pretty racist to me.
So if I say Black people are violent criminals, it is not racist as long as I say that some of them might be good people?
Of course some illegal immigrants commit crimes, but is their crime rate any different than people in America?
No data shows they are committing more crime than Americans, and it may actually be at a lower rate out of fears of deportation. and yes, drugs do come in from Mexico but that would stop if Americans weren't the ones using the drugs.
Not saying we should turn a bling eye to the issue, but Trump's comments seem pretty racist to me.
Merge, that's the best you can do?? What is "538"? The comparisons in that piece are about as lame as the source.
I was in Juneau in early August of 2008 and remember walking past the Governors "mansion" and no one knew who Palin was and it wasn't very impressive...just a small row house. A few weeks later she was selected as the VP and two weeks after that no one took her seriously. And you compare that to what Trump has done thus far?
I agree with 09 and Snake. Trump is outrageous and politically incorrect, but nothing he has stated is racist.
The problem with your statements Bobbie, is that you're not his audience.
I have no idea how those groups you've suggested are going to vote, but I can tell you that I've listened to a great number of our employees (we have 1,100 employees, with over 75% Hispanic and most being union) and I've been surprised at how outwardly supportive they are of Trump, and it's all about jobs and ensuring they have one. They see him as union-friendly and caring about the working man. He's reaching these people and I have no idea how many have voted in elections, but it's the thing they all want to talk about.
It does make you think...have any unions or organized labor come out against Trump?
I think he's going to bring a lot of angry people out of the woodwork...You know watching the Democratic debate the other night, you know what we saw? Two, old, angry, rich, white people....
Are you kidding about 538? They have had better election/polling analysis than anyone over the last 8 years.
I just thought it was funny that after making the comparison, someone else (on a very reputable site) made the same comparison. They both have similar messages to drive up fear and anger and offer little to no substance. Their support is from working class white people. The idea that no one takes her seriously is just wrong. The fact that Trump made her endorsement a major announcement shows you all you need to know about what his target group of voters think of her. A 2014 poll of conservative primary voters showed that she had a 70% approval rating... higher than all of the 2016 candidates.
Might want to read what Snake said again. He said he doesn't think Trump is racist but his speeches have been which I would agree with.
Essentially that Trump speech was to pin our problems on a scapegoat. Something demagogues are very good at. Not very different from the speeches of Nazi Propaganda Minister Josef Goebels in the early 1930's. "Those FEW GOOD JEWS". have nothing to fear from Mr Hitler. It's all the others who have to watch out". How does that differ from "I'm sure there MAY BE SOME GOOD MEXICANS". It sure sounds racist to me. Once again I do not think Trump is a racist but his wording in some of his speeches are.
Tom K
Tom K
lol...much like Obama does with Republicans. Yes, BO is a demagogue and he does sound like Goebels as well, although I've never heard him speak of "those few good Republicans"...
Tom, it goes both ways. Trump has just dumbed down the message to reach his audience.
I never realized that Republicans were an ethnic or racial group. Obviously I totally disagree.
By the way I'm just curious, but is there anything that you don't blame the President for ???
Tom K
By the way I'm just curious, but is there anything that you don't blame the President for ???
Tom K
