Cleveland Indians changing names
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Pathetic. The ultra PC world we live in today truly is annoying.
I have three Native American coworkers, and all three of them have been happy about the trend of mascot changes and said they found the team names offensive. If that's how most native people feel, then it's an easy decision to stop.
Why are they only saying something now? Why didn't they speak up earlier if they were truly offended by it? These team nicknames have existed for decades. Over a century in the case of the Indians.
I imagine the Browns, Chiefs, Braves, Reds and GS Warriors are next. Then the SF and NY Giants because that's offensive to very tall and/or obese people. Then the LA Angels because that's offensive to people who aren't religious.
Right. Sorry. I forgot that you *also* know my friends and how active they have/haven't been on this issue (???)
I don’t know, maybe decades ago they didn’t feel like they had a voice? Like when blacks had to drink from a separate water fountain? Don’t be so ****ing white.
Nah, that's not it. It's also interesting that the people making these decisions completely ignore the opinion of people who feel these types of decisions are misguided. This is what happens when politicians and special interest groups divide people via identity politics and political correctness. You did the same in your post. We're all equal in the eyes of the law and under God.
On another note, it appears from this post and many of your other postings on this board over the years that you have major anger issues.
Lol, if you knew me you’d know I’m rarely angry. Pretty happy guy altogether. Your post is just ignorant, and I’m not one to not call it out. It’s pretty easy being a white guy, I know from experience. I don’t need to put down how those who are not like me feel on a particular subject.
that mascot/logo might have been the issue that they couldnt shake. that had to go. but indians? that seems pretty fine.
He has been pretty angry. Glad I am not only one that noticed. Hope he gets help from God's healing hand.
Maybe it’s your NY Jets, it’s offensive to prop airplanes.
What’s next on the agenda of the PC followers , teams can only use a name on an approved list of names ?
They had already dropped the Chief Wahoo symbol, and had gone to a Block "C" symbol. I agree the name Indians doesn't seem offensive, but what do I know. Seems had a lot of pressure from MLB to make a move.
While on the topic, I don't really appreciate this comment either. This is a double standard that needs to stop. I'm proud of my heritage and my appearance, as all people of all creeds, colors, and backgrounds should be and feel. When someone says something you feel is idiotic, or racist...call it what it is, but don't label it as being attributed to someone's skin color - it's offensive BS.
+1 for sounding cool to some people, but this was a horsecrap thing to say IMO.
Ouch! I know you are not trying to be a racist, but how do you know he's white? Very offensive racist remark. Is it OK because maybe you know he's white? You are calling someone out by being a racist yourself.
They did but had no platform and no one listed anyway. We've come to a point where they are treated like actual, full-fledged human beings now, which is probably a good thing, but let me check.
General rule of thumb is if that it reduced an entire group to a caricature or a mascot (especially if it's one that has been historically marginalized or worse), then it it's probably a no-go. Simple enough and leaves plenty of good options.
Cleveland Indians to change their nickname, drop "Indians"
Many consider "Indians" as offensive to indigenous peoples. Cleveland will be the latest of several teams to go the name-change route for that reason.
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Cleveland Indians to change their nickname, drop "Indians"
BY R.J. ANDERSON
The Cleveland Indians have decided to change their nickname, moving away from the moniker they've employed for more than 100 years but that many consider insensitive to indigenous peoples. CBS Sports HQ's Jim Bowden confirmed the story first reported in The New York Times. In a statement to CBS News, the team said, "We don't have a comment. We do not dispute anything written" in the Times.
The newspaper said the team could announce as soon as this week that it's changing its nickname.
It's unclear how Cleveland will refer to itself during the upcoming season. One option is to keep the name for an additional year before transitioning to a new identity; another is to go the route of the National Football League's Washington franchise, which dropped its "Redskins" nickname in July. The club has since been known as the Washington Football Team. Cleveland would, presumably, be called the Cleveland Baseball Team until a new nickname could be settled upon.
Cleveland's decision comes more than two years after it started to distance itself from the "Chief Wahoo" logo. Back in July, when the Washington Football Team announced its altered identity, Cleveland announced it would investigate the "best path forward" regarding its team name.
Subsequently, CBS Sports' Dayn Perry offered several replacement options, including the ever-popular "Spiders," as well as the "Rockers," the "Crows," and "Dobys," referring to Hall of Famer Larry Doby, the American League's first Black player.
Cleveland's franchise has had three other identities: the Naps (after Nap Lajoie), the Bronchos, and the Blues. Of those, the Naps is the only name that lasted beyond a single season.
Dan raises the question the cowboys. I think that’s a group that gave themselves that name.
I know it’s a question of how much is too far. But tell me this, when did Native Americans ever affectionately call themselves Indians?
Glad I’m getting a little fan club here. Seems like a group that shares a common thought process, perhaps even a brain. I personally don’t feel that I can judge what others find offensive. Am I offended by “Indians”? Nope, not in the least. Can I determine that it’s not offensive to someone else? Nope.
I know it’s a question of how much is too far. But tell me this, when did Native Americans ever affectionately call themselves Indians?
Glad I’m getting a little fan club here. Seems like a group that shares a common thought process, perhaps even a brain. I personally don’t feel that I can judge what others find offensive. Am I offended by “Indians”? Nope, not in the least. Can I determine that it’s not offensive to someone else? Nope.
I think it says more about the people that are annoyed/offended by the changing of the name rather the people that are offended by the name itself.
Who gives a crap if the team decides to change their name? Society evolves and changes deal with it.
Who gives a crap if the team decides to change their name? Society evolves and changes deal with it.
Is the nickname "Pirates" offensive or does using it marginalize all the women that have been raped by Pirates?
It's not about one specific change. It's about this trend in society within the last few years that we have to cancel or change all these things that some folks may not like or are triggered by. It is concerning because of the precedent it sets. It begs the question of what's next?
All Egyptian monuments and pyramids were built by slaves and offends me. They should all be taken down. Who do I contact to make this happen?
When I was a small boy, I heard a joke about Italians, using to common slurs. I thought it was funny. I told it to my cousins boyfriend who was about ten yrs older than me. I was probably around 10. I can still remember his face. I didn't even know it was insulting to him. But I found out then that I was.
I'd say it was the pirates themselves who marginalized them more than the name does.
Historically, the Indians name was supposedly to honor a Native American player from the pre-MLB Cleveland Spiders. Several years back, when the Redskins were in the crosshairs, there was some sort of poll done that asked the leaders of several First Nations groups if they were offended by the name, and various other mascots. The results, if I recall correctly, were not overwhelmingly offended. I shall try to find it.
Chief Wahoo was offensive; the name "Indians," compared with "Redskins," or even as it stands alone, seems pretty innocuous. Still trying to figure out why Marquette was forced away from "Warriors."
Chief Wahoo was offensive; the name "Indians," compared with "Redskins," or even as it stands alone, seems pretty innocuous. Still trying to figure out why Marquette was forced away from "Warriors."
I think there is a big difference between this and ‘cancel culture’. But that’s just me. And for the record I don’t like cancel culture I think it’s petty and immature
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With regards to this one, I really couldn't care less. I mean its the Cleveland Indians.
And I'm sure there is some actuary sitting in his/her office that figured out that it will make more money for the team. Washington did the brilliant marketing move...change the name to an "interim" name to sell more merchandise...I'm sure people stocked up on the Redskin stuff or the past year and now have spent a fortune on 'Football Team" gear. And next year when there is a new logo, here we go again.
I vote for the Cleveland They/Them
And I'm sure there is some actuary sitting in his/her office that figured out that it will make more money for the team. Washington did the brilliant marketing move...change the name to an "interim" name to sell more merchandise...I'm sure people stocked up on the Redskin stuff or the past year and now have spent a fortune on 'Football Team" gear. And next year when there is a new logo, here we go again.
I vote for the Cleveland They/Them
That's a bunch of PC, NIMBY horse crap, making excuses for your team being named after people that rape, pillage, and steal by definition but being offended by the name Indians. Too funny.
The fallacy of the "Are the Pirates next? Are the Cowboys next?" hot takes (and of the slippery slope argument in general), is that you're equating hypothetical offense with the actual reality that there are large group of people out there right now who are telling us that these names do bother them.
That much is true, but what is a "large group?" Do three co-workers represent an adequate sample? I honestly don't know. I have one friend of N.A. origin and he doesn't care. He is a sports fan, too. Seems that a lot of people are offended-by-proxy.
This is exactly right. In addition, even after getting rid of the offensive logo, using the name is still a gross appropriation of a culture that has been marginalized, abused, and disadvantaged for centuries in America.
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