Does Sha Know What He’s Doing?

[hallstorm]

There will always be some posters that wait in the wings to jump on the negative. One little moment is all it takes sometimes.

Looking at the big picture is harder to do. Being myopic and seeing all the minute flaws is easy.

The thing is, I don’t see any “homers” say that Sha has done even a mediocre job this year. I believe it’s unanimous that’s it’s been a complete failure as a season.

The issue I have is lumping Sha’s entire body of work into the last 2+ months of games.

Minimizing Sha’s run to the elite 8 is bad enough and then some posters fail to acknowledge that the first two years Sha exceeded expectations.

But it is what it is with some.

 

[shu09]

How can you exceed expectations and not make the NCAA Tournament when you're at a program in a high major league? What a ridiculous statement.

 

[NYC Pirate]

At 13-7 in conference, beating UConn, that damm Triple OT loss against Creighton we were truly a Bubble Team. The OOC, the beatdowns, the poor BigEast Tournament game and the upsets in Conference Tournaments kept us out.

 

[SHUSA]

How can you exceed expectations and not make the NCAA Tournament when you're at a program in a high major league? What a ridiculous statement.

because the committee is behind closed doors and biased. thats actually an honest answer. and i know you also believe it.

it was only disappointing because it ended unfairly in someone elses hands. the 15 mountain west teams who didn't deserve it all got demolished in the first round. shoulda been us in there. that was disappointing. and i've historically been negative.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

How can you exceed expectations and not make the NCAA Tournament when you're at a program in a high major league? What a ridiculous statement.

Spot on. Crazy people are content that the expectations were 9th and thrilled we exceeded 9th. Amazing how quickly NCAA or bust doesn’t apply. And it’s simply because it’s a former great player now coaching us. Anyone else other than Sha or Andre Barrett and the board would be ripping the coach

 

[SHUSA]

Spot on. Crazy people are content that the expectations were 9th and thrilled we exceeded 9th. Amazing how quickly NCAA or bust doesn’t apply. And it’s simply because it’s a former great player now coaching us. Anyone else other than Sha or Andre Barrett and the board would be ripping the coach

it's because we had one of our best BE seasons ever last year. might have even been the best. including beating UCONN on its back to back championship tour.

 

[radecicco]

How can you exceed expectations and not make the NCAA Tournament when you're at a program in a high major league? What a ridiculous statement.

What? We were picked 9th by league coaches who know a thing or two about hoops, yet we exceeded expectations.

 

[shu09]

Spot on. Crazy people are content that the expectations were 9th and thrilled we exceeded 9th. Amazing how quickly NCAA or bust doesn’t apply. And it’s simply because it’s a former great player now coaching us. Anyone else other than Sha or Andre Barrett and the board would be ripping the coach

Yep. Far too many people are ignoring what we're seeing because they're close with the coach, or think fondly of him because of his playing days.

 

[shu09]

What? We were picked 9th by league coaches who know a thing or two about hoops, yet we exceeded expectations.

Laughable. So 8th would have been a good season because it was better than a meaningless preseason poll? Get out of here.

 

[radecicco]

Laughable. So 8th would have been a good season because it was better than a meaningless preseason poll? Get out of here.

Ridiculous, they finished 4th with 13 Be wins.

 

[hallstorm]

How can you exceed expectations and not make the NCAA Tournament when you're at a program in a high major league? What a ridiculous statement.

Based on pre season expectations and rankings. It isn’t rocket science.

But if you struggle understanding wins and losses, I’m not sure what to say.

Keep standing on that hill. It’s all good.

 

[hallstorm]

Spot on. Crazy people are content that the expectations were 9th and thrilled we exceeded 9th. Amazing how quickly NCAA or bust doesn’t apply. And it’s simply because it’s a former great player now coaching us. Anyone else other than Sha or Andre Barrett and the board would be ripping the coach

Wait for it it…..

It’s called N. I. L.

A liiiiiitle bit different from the days 2 &3 years ago.

But some of you guys that are new to all this might need a helping hand?

 

[williaza01]

it's because we had one of our best BE seasons ever last year. might have even been the best. including beating UCONN on its back to back championship tour.

Ugh we have 3 regular season conference titles..so that’s the starter there

 

[shu09]

Based on pre season expectations and rankings. It isn’t rocket science.

But if you struggle understanding wins and losses, I’m not sure what to say.

Keep standing on that hill. It’s all good.

The other poster implied that exceeding the preseason poll is all that matters. By his definition then, a finish of 1st through 8th would have been a good season.

At the high major level, it's about making (and advancing) in the NCAA Tournament. Nothing else. Our coach is 0-for-3. But go ahead bury your head in the sand and keep supporting this guy and the joke of a program that he runs.

 

[shu09]

Ridiculous, they finished 4th with 13 Be wins.

You implied that exceeding the meaningless Big East preseason poll makes it a good year. So by your definition, an 8th place finish last year would have still exceeded expectations.

 

[hallstorm]

The other poster implied that exceeding the preseason poll is all that matters. By his definition then, a finish of 1st through 8th would have been a good season.

At the high major level, it's about making (and advancing) in the NCAA Tournament. Nothing else. Our coach is 0-for-3. But go ahead bury your head in the sand and keep supporting this guy and the joke of a program that he runs.

You really need to read everything I write if you’re going to put words in my mouth.

This season is an all-time horrific year. I have not supported the decisions made for this year.

But last year was a perfect storm to keep SHU out of the tournament. In every one of Willard’s years, Sha would have gotten in as there were very few bid stealers.

I also want to know how many second year SHU coaches made the NCAA’s? Let me know when you got your list together

It’s also a new era with NIL that’s more about the entire administration and program more than it is Sha.

You know that

 

[radecicco]

You implied that exceeding the meaningless Big East preseason poll makes it a good year. So by your definition, an 8th place finish last year would have still exceeded expectations.

That’s just BS. Typical straw dog argument. If you even know what that means. I specifically said 13 BE wins
and 4th in the conference exceeded expectations.

 

[shu09]

That’s just BS. Typical straw dog argument. If you even know what that means. I specifically said 13 BE wins
and 4th in the conference exceeded expectations.

You said this first, which is what I'm talking about:

What? We were picked 9th by league coaches who know a thing or two about hoops, yet we exceeded expectations.

 

[Piratz]

The product keeps getting worse.

 

[radecicco]

You said this first, which is what I'm talking about:

So you interpreted this post as I would have said finishing 8th rather then 9th is exceedingly expectations? Really. Of course I never said that. You made that up.

I guess I should have included a qualifier like greatly. However in the context of last years team most prople would agree that last season SHU greatly exceeded expectations. And that was clearly what I meant.

 

[SHUSA]

You said this first, which is what I'm talking about:

you're getting into a semantics argument now because you have no rebuttle to the real point. last year was a top 1% year in the big east for Shu.

 

[nutterforthree]

The Seton Hall job requires you to do more with less- always has, and always will. There is no war chest coming. If Shaheen cannot build a competitive roster at 2 million or whatever, then he needs to go and have someone else try.

If the next guy can't do it, then you try again. It is what it is- we have seen extremely poor results from this coach and an NIT champtionship where teams sat out because they didn't want to play and an elite 8 run at a previous college means nothing at all to me

 

[sami]

Being bad and being disappointed are 2 completely different things. I have absolutely no positive expectations this year. Tough to be disappointed this year. Last year was much more disappointing because you felt we could beat Iowa, RU, USC. For as bad as this team is, we might have fewer 15 point losses this year. We had 7 last year and only 2 so far this year. Being beaten by 15+ that many times with a much better team is and was disappointing.

I wouldn’t touch the under on 6 more 15 point losses this season.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

you're getting into a semantics argument now because you have no rebuttle to the real point. last year was a top 1% year in the big east for Shu.

Top 1%? Do you have any clue what the early 90s looked like. And do you know how historically bad the conference was in comparison to the previous 40 years. It was one of the worst.

 

[HallX2]

The Seton Hall job requires you to do more with less- always has, and always will. There is no war chest coming. If Shaheen cannot build a competitive roster at 2 million or whatever, then he needs to go and have someone else try.

If the next guy can't do it, then you try again. It is what it is- we have seen extremely poor results from this coach and an NIT champtionship where teams sat out because they didn't want to play and an elite 8 run at a previous college means nothing at all to me

With pay to play it’s a tall order that no one will fill. You don’t have the payroll you won’t get the talent. This isn’t facilities it is the greatest of all forces: pay me.

 

[shu09]

you're getting into a semantics argument now because you have no rebuttle to the real point. last year was a top 1% year in the big east for Shu.

Unfortunately for you and your misguided reality, the entire season counts. Not just the Big East portion of it. Last year did NOT exceed expectations. Failed to make the NCAA Tournament and that's all that matters.

 

[SHUSA]

Unfortunately for you and your misguided reality, the entire season counts. Not just the Big East portion of it. Last year did NOT exceed expectations. Failed to make the NCAA Tournament and that's all that matters.

it does and it was still good enough to get in over half the MW teams. it was simply a decision by the committee. those teams sucked in the OOC too.

it was legitimately just a biased snub by comittee.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

it does and it was still good enough to get in over half the MW teams. it was simply a decision by the committee. those teams sucked in the OOC too.

it was legitimately just a biased snub by comittee.

Biased or NET based? We had bad metrics

 

[SHUSA]

Biased or NET based? We had bad metrics

so did the other teams. they literally explained it. they chose reasons why SHU shouldn't get in, and found reasons why MWC should. it was simply a choice.

 

[TomD82]

Biased or NET based? We had bad metrics

No question it was Net biased. That Virginia team did not deserve a bid last year. They could not score 50 pts a game never mind put up what this SHU does.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

so did the other teams. they literally explained it. they chose reasons why SHU shouldn't get in, and found reasons why MWC should. it was simply a choice.

I find it really odd the committee would choose reasons to keep SHU out. Sha back in the tournament would mean more eyeballs than the Mountain West Conference. I highly doubt they went out of their way to lose money.

 

[HallLine69]

The Seton Hall job requires you to do more with less- always has, and always will. There is no war chest coming. If Shaheen cannot build a competitive roster at 2 million or whatever, then he needs to go and have someone else try.

If the next guy can't do it, then you try again. It is what it is- we have seen extremely poor results from this coach and an NIT champtionship where teams sat out because they didn't want to play and an elite 8 run at a previous college means nothing at all to me

So, in other words we should adopt The Gong Show theory of coaching hires?

 

[dehere23]

I find it really odd the committee would choose reasons to keep SHU out. Sha back in the tournament would mean more eyeballs than the Mountain West Conference. I highly doubt they went out of their way to lose money.

I thought the Big East should have had at least 2 more teams in last year, and we deserved to be one of them, even though I understood the "case" as to why we didn't make it. That said, having a Sha-coached team in the dance would do absolutely nothing towards getting more people to watch.

 

[hallstorm]

As much as I am a Holloway supporter, after I step back and look at the body of work Sha has done here I really believe it’s why the majority of major college coaches need a certain level of “seasoning” before taking on a power program.

It isn’t because Sha can’t coach—I think he can see things quite well and understands what he needs to do.

But the ability to get into kids’ heads and encourage them is something that needs a bit of nuance. Even more so with how kids are babied these days and seen as gods.

Handling the media and being able to separate from what your kids didn’t do for some reason or another also needs a certain learning curve. Sha really takes it as if the media is attacking him and he defends his position vs. being able to distance himself and see his team as an outsider might.

And there is the ability to delegate. He has to. He needs to find viable coaches and a support staff that he feels he can entrust and ask to do his bidding. And someone to actually call out his shortcomings.

I really hope he takes some time after this year and is able to figure some of these things out.

 

[NYC Pirate]

As much as I am a Holloway supporter, after I step back and look at the body of work Sha has done here I really believe it’s why the majority of major college coaches need a certain level of “seasoning” before taking on a power program.

It isn’t because Sha can’t coach—I think he can see things quite well and understands what he needs to do.

But the ability to get into kids’ heads and encourage them is something that needs a bit of nuance. Even more so with how kids are babied these days and seen as gods.

Handling the media and being able to separate from what your kids didn’t do for some reason or another also needs a certain learning curve. Sha really takes it as if the media is attacking him and he defends his position vs. being able to distance himself and see his team as an outsider might.

And there is the ability to delegate. He has to. He needs to find viable coaches and a support staff that he feels he can entrust and ask to do his bidding. And someone to actually call out his shortcomings.

I really hope he takes some time after this year and is able to figure some of these things out.

Excellent Post.