Any COVID source, do your own spreadsheet by date, troll.
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Any COVID source, do your own spreadsheet by date, troll.
If 2 million people in Florida get Covid tomorrow, but only 20k of them go to the hospital which overwhelms their systems across the state... you’re metric says that’s a good thing.
It’s an arbitrary metric and presents you were data that really isn’t relevant unless you know the actual number of infections which we don’t.
It turns out I do keep a spreadsheet!
Florida New hospitalizations
July 2 - 325
July 9 - 409
July 16 - 491
Florida Daily Deaths
July 2 - 64
July 9 - 119
July 16 - 156
Hi kids, keeping secret spreadsheets is fun! You know what else is fun? Showing your work. For those of you who want to create your own spreadsheets, you can follow the Florida census of regular and ICU beds.
https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABI...ital?:isGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y
https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABI...ital?:isGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y
There you go again with the crazy IF's again. 10% of the total FL population is not getting COVID tomorrow. Ridiculous.
It turns out you don't know what a "rate" means. Per your numbers, the death rate and the hospitalization rate are going down. All of this is in a population of over 21 million is less than minuscule.
And troll, I've shared my data source here MANY, many times, it's the source from our very own "IF" champion, Merge. I'll share it yet again once last time for such a whacko like you.
https://covidtracking.com/data
Now you go on ignore as you offer nothing of any substance.
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Oh no, not the ignore button! And after I showed you my secret spreadsheet and everything.
I understand that. It’s an extreme number to point out the flaw in using that as a metric.
Is the virus spreading? Are hospitals at risk of facing capacity issues?
Those are the important questions and your answer is that the rate of hospitalizations per number of known infections has decreased?
[QUOTE="Merge, post: 732354, member: 212"Those are the important questions and your answer is that the rate of hospitalizations per number of known infections has decreased?[/QUOTE]
But that's not what KnowKnothing mentioned in his post, you just interjected with this. I had to point out how wrong KnowKnothing was again as usual.
But that's not what KnowKnothing mentioned in his post, you just interjected with this. I had to point out how wrong KnowKnothing was again as usual.
Be careful, or sensitive Sam and his secret spread sheets will ignore you too. The decrease in the rate of hospitalizations per number of known infections is all he has left. Oh how the mighty have fallen, acting like a child and "going on ignore" to avoid further embarrassment. lalalalala I can't hear you!
We have a serious national problem. In Florida's case, there are currently available 1,146 ICU beds in a state of 21 million people. Can they add more ICU beds? Of course, and they already have. But as cases continues to rise, and as hospitalizations continues to rise, it will be harder and harder for the Florida hospital system to keep up. But hey, good news - the rate is going down!
Charts are for Florida as of 7/18.
Last two days shows some relief but clearly not enough to be called a trend.
Source: https://tallahasseereports.com/2020...ive-trends-for-florida-in-coronavirus-battle/
Last two days shows some relief but clearly not enough to be called a trend.
Source: https://tallahasseereports.com/2020...ive-trends-for-florida-in-coronavirus-battle/
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I think Merge had posted that the hospitalizations and deaths lag new cases. That is supported by the charts.
It seems New Cases is the best leading indicator.
It would be beneficial if they could tie and shift the Hospitalizations and Deaths to the New Cases. I doubt we will see that data.
Example: Of the new cases from July 6, how many were hospitalized and how many died. I think Rate is trying to get at that but I am not certain how they are actually/precisely calculating Rates.
My opinion is that if the Hospitalizations and Death rates decrease while the new Cases increase it is an indicator that the virus is moving into the stronger and healthier segment of the population. That would make sense relative to the opening of the economy. More healthier people are being exposed than previously.
It seems New Cases is the best leading indicator.
It would be beneficial if they could tie and shift the Hospitalizations and Deaths to the New Cases. I doubt we will see that data.
Example: Of the new cases from July 6, how many were hospitalized and how many died. I think Rate is trying to get at that but I am not certain how they are actually/precisely calculating Rates.
My opinion is that if the Hospitalizations and Death rates decrease while the new Cases increase it is an indicator that the virus is moving into the stronger and healthier segment of the population. That would make sense relative to the opening of the economy. More healthier people are being exposed than previously.
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Fwiw, my issue with using rates as an indicator there is that we don't have a good baseline. Initially we were only testing those who were symptomatic. If we had enough tests available in April and May, it's possible the rates of hospitalizations and deaths per identified case would not be materially different than they are today... We really just don't know.
In my opinion, which seemed to be the consensus of most here for a while, was that the actions we take should be related to our healthcare capacity. That is what I have been watching and I noticed that Florida was moving in the wrong direction about a month ago. I'm not sure if the government and citizens there have done enough to bend those upward curves.
I agree It would be ideal but I think it will be difficult to achieve.
I believe ICU availability is the critical stat.. The equipment is specialized and there is a finite supply of doctors and nurses who can treat ICU patients.
A certain percentage of positive cases wind up being hospitalized. A certain percentage of hospitalized patients wind up in the ICU. I believe we should be concerned when a state reaches a census of 85% or greater because it leaves less room for error.
Positive cases still should affect what is open and or not. Being positive whether symptomatic or asymptomatic, places you at risk of infecting others who could have serious effects leading them to get hospitalized and run the risk of overwhelming the hospital system.
I disagree. We need to stop treating this virus like it is a death sentence and treat it more like the flu. It isn't quite the flu but on the other hand it isn't anywhere near a mass killer. If you contract it, you are very likely to survive.
You cannot prevent everyone from getting sick. The onus for protection needs to be on the people who are at risk. They need to isolate themselves if they feel the need. Healthy/low risk people should not be restricted because some at-risk folks might get sick.
Found this interesting from the CDC website:
Total deaths in 2019 through 07/04/19 = 1,507,000
Total deaths in 2020 through 07/06/20 = 1,547,000
Not really sure exactly what this means but if certain areas had not knowingly introduced COVID into elder care facilities, we may have been better off than a year ago?
Total deaths in 2019 through 07/04/19 = 1,507,000
Total deaths in 2020 through 07/06/20 = 1,547,000
Not really sure exactly what this means but if certain areas had not knowingly introduced COVID into elder care facilities, we may have been better off than a year ago?
Can't look at recent data. There is a significant reporting lag. June and July 2020 does not have complete data at this point.
Look at March, April and May. (Weeks 10-22) (and even May is lagging from some states)
But just those months are up 118k 17% compared to 2019.
Honestly I wish it was that easy. I work in a hospital in northern New Jersey. I was providing direct care turning patients onto their stomachs while they were on ventilators. There were people with no co morbidities who were getting destroyed by this disease and dying. People 40-60 who should have beat this if it were closer to a flu.
And now their thinking it might be more of how long of an exposure that could dictate how severe your symptoms could get which would explain these severe cases by health individuals.
Our whole hospital was all COVID patients, over 300. I never want to return to that again!
You only saw the worst of the worst. Most people never even need to go to the hospital.
best of luck to anyone who has a minor heart attack but the hosptial is full of "only the worst of the worst"
Well... kind of, yes.
Because of the volume of Covid patients, it is taking longer for first responders to get to people and more people have been dying at home in harder hit areas.
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/0...er/?utm_source=articleshare&utm_medium=social
That’s not the question that was asked. And the person referred to in the article told her daughter she was fine. Had nothing to do with capacity issues.
https://www.krgv.com/news/with-hosp...nces-wait-hours-for-beds-to-become-available/
Ambulances in Hidalgo County are waiting 4 to 12 hours in hospital parking lots before they’re allowed to drop off patients — because the hospitals can’t find any spare beds.
Hidalgo County hospitals, which are struggling to treat hundreds of people infected with the coronavirus, simply can’t find beds for new patients, said Frank Torres, the chairman of the Trauma Regional Advisory Council for the Lower Rio Grande Valley, which brings together hospitals and ambulance companies to improve care.
Ambulances in Hidalgo County are waiting 4 to 12 hours in hospital parking lots before they’re allowed to drop off patients — because the hospitals can’t find any spare beds.
Hidalgo County hospitals, which are struggling to treat hundreds of people infected with the coronavirus, simply can’t find beds for new patients, said Frank Torres, the chairman of the Trauma Regional Advisory Council for the Lower Rio Grande Valley, which brings together hospitals and ambulance companies to improve care.
it happened in wuhan, it happened in northern italy, and it very nearly happened at a few hospitals in new york city. you know why it didn't happen in more places? because we imposed mitigation measures. that is the point of literally everything you've been complaining about for months. it's the point of the entire lockdown you cry about every day
I don't know why we're arguing over which is the single and most important metric. Albeit, we do love to argue! Lol.
Like a car or airplane, more than one gauge is needed and I don't see anyone developing a reliable "idiot light" to tell us when it's safe to go outside.
Like a car or airplane, more than one gauge is needed and I don't see anyone developing a reliable "idiot light" to tell us when it's safe to go outside.
I think what is also shows is a lot of the older population that has been the biggest death numbers from Covid, normally die at a high rate, so a good amount of vulnerable population that died of Covid, could have died of other complications in other years.
One example was veterans home in Paramus that was hard hit by Covid, while the numbers were super high in deaths, the average numbers of deaths in a "normal" month were pretty high overall.
That data wasn't complete. CDC notes that on their site.
For comparison purposes.
Weeks 1-11
Total deaths 2019 - 641,351
Total deaths 2020 - 646,653
A 0.8% increase in 2020.
Weeks 11-22
Total deaths 2019 - 602,823
Total deaths 2020 - 721,549
A 19.7% increase in 2020.
That is through the end of May. Can't really go beyond that yet since states take a while to report the information. Give it a few weeks and we can look at June and see where we are.
One hospital, there are exceptions to everything. Most of the people they would send away are probably on death's door to begin with, even before the virus hit.
In most place it's just fine. Stop believing everything you see in MSM. You do realize this virus is mild for the vast majority of people who get it, right?
You’re right. The majority of people don’t have significant health issues... but, around 2-3% of those who get it are hospitalized.
Over the course of 1-2 years, that is entirely manageable. Unfortunately this virus is very contagious and without taking steps to minimize the spread, that 2-3% of infections happens too quickly and starts to cause significant stress to our healthcare system. It will not be the fault of MSM when they report on things getting worse.
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