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Fire Sha! Fire Felt! Fire Lyons!

Felt must go. Lyons must go. Sha is the second worst coach in the league right now. But let’s fet felt and Lyons out first
 
Shaheen went to the elite 8 with St. Peter’s! It’s year three only give him more time!

lol just kidding. He is a bad coach for the program and the new NIL era and he needs to go. It’s clear as day
 
lmao remind me again what Sha has don't to warrant being let go?

Failed to make chicken salad out of chicken shit? FIRE HIM!

Yall really think we have a team capable of something and we are underachieving because of Sha?

This roster is awful. Some of that is on Sha, sure, but is he really walking into the room with the biggest checkbook and able to pick and choose the players he wants? Hell no. And it's not like this NIL thing has been around forever and there are proven ways to go about things. He, like everyone else, is figuring it out. If you want to say he didn't come out of the gate as hot as some others, then fine. But did we bring Sha in thinking he was some kind of NIL expert? Is there even one out there? would they even consider SHU?

The dude is not perfect, but he is a solid coach that players play hard for and has proven that when the games count the most, he and his team will show up. He also wants to be here, and if we are lucky, will be here a long time. Not many people out there we can say that about. Most coaches will come here, start to build something, get a better offer and bounce and then we are left purgatory, constantly starting over.

Take a breath. Think before you speak.
 
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P1RAT3 said:
lmao remind me again what Sha has don't to warrant being let go?

Failed to make chicken salad out of chicken shit? FIRE HIM!

Yall really think we have a team capable of something and we are underachieving because of Sha?

This roster is awful. Some of that is on Sha, sure, but is he really walking into the room with the biggest checkbook and able to pick and choose the players he wants? Hell no. And it's not like this NIL thing has been around forever and there are proven ways to go about things. He, like everyone else, is figuring it out. If you want to say he didn't come out of the gate as hot as some others, then fine. But did we bring Sha in thinking he was some kind of NIL expert? Is there even one out there? would they even consider SHU?

The dude is not perfect, but he is a solid coach that players play hard for and has proven that when the games count the most, he and his team will show up. He also wants to be here, and if we are lucky, will be here a long time. Not many people out there we can say that about. Most coaches will come here, start to build something, get a better offer and bounce and then we are left purgatory, constantly starting over.

Take a breath. Think before you speak.
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Okay Bryan Felt- you’re fooling no one
 
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This year should be an awakening for everyone. For a school like Seton Hall given how backwards they operate, they typically need something to punch them in the mouth.

Sha didn't forget how to coach, but something is clearly wrong this year. This is the same guy who built up lowly St. Peter's and took them to an Elite Eight (meanwhile SHU has 2 NCAAT wins in 25 years) and led The Hall to a 13-7 record in the BE last year, one of our best ever. He's not perfect - who is - but I don't think that's the problem.

The problem is how he's going about roster building and everything around him. And now he's saying his older players aren't his kind of players, guys he brought into the system. Something is wrong. Look who we've lost to and the general performance. Needs to be a lesson learned from everyone on how to address NIL, how to roster build, and how to adapt because what we're seeing is completely embarrassing after taking over a team that had 6/7 NCAAT years and 2 BE banners. And SHU was slow to address NIL. Everyone needs a wake up.
 
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Felt is in over his head. If he isn't, someone is pulling his strings and forcing his hand - but who? Easy to blame Lyons, but isn't he the one who brought our overall athletics department back to some sort of prominence? Our basketball program looked the best it had in decades under his leadership, so if he's the puppeteer why isn't the job getting done anymore?

I'll give Holloway a lot of slack because I know how difficult it is to succeed here, particularly now when so much of rides on money, and so little of it rides on who the coach is. That said, he clearly approached this roster wrong. He tried to get cute and root out underperformers who he thought he could guru into becoming their full selves....it hasn't worked. The roster is a mess. Time to go back out on the trail and find the type of kids that the mid majors thrived with in years past...really hard working kids that can shoot the basketball. I trust Sha teaching kids like that how to play defense than to teach these type of kids how to score and play like a team.
 
nutterforthree said:
Shaheen went to the elite 8 with St. Peter’s! It’s year three only give him more time!

lol just kidding. He is a bad coach for the program and the new NIL era and he needs to go. It’s clear as day
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what coach would be good in the NIL era for seton hall? one that wants to be here might be the top attribute.

who are you replacing him with?
 
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sonofshu said:
Sha is a really good coach. The administration and fan base are letting him down by failing so miserably with NIL.
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i think hes a good coach with potentially some of the same bad habits we've seen previously. most notably the lineups and doghouses. his style of play and philosophy is no different too.
 
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Sha is a really good coach. The administration and fan base are letting him down by failing so miserably with NIL.
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Like Sha.

Where would you rank him compared to other league coaches coming into this season (my view BTW hasn’t changed despite this awful performance).
 
Pirates1991 said:
Yes to Lyons and Felt and by tomorrow!!!

Give Sha new leadership, GM and $$$ needed for todays game to see what he can do
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Stop it. A GM will be the biggest waste of money. If you have money for NIL what do you need a GM for? If you have a good coach, what difference does the AD make? These are nothing but excuses.

Sha picked the wrong players this year plain and simple. Either by choice or by desperation. More money would help but that’s not happening. I’m sure he’ll take a very different approach this off season.
 
HallGuy23 said:
Stop it. A GM will be the biggest waste of money. If you have money for NIL what do you need a GM for? If you have a good coach, what difference does the AD make? These are nothing but excuses.

Sha picked the wrong players this year plain and simple. Either by choice or by desperation. More money would help but that’s not happening. I’m sure he’ll take a very different approach this off season.
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Well I think your second paragraph is the issue. We don’t know what went on. Did he make incorrect assumptions? Does he need help here? Did he have to settle bc he overplayed negotiations elsewhere? Maybe he wanted too many players for a deep rotation? Idk.
 
What did we honestly think was going happen tonight? X averages 80 points a game, coming off two tough losses to UCONN and Marquette and playing at home. SHU goes on the road, losers of three straight and has to work hard to score 60. Hmmm, a 20 point loss.

Holloway’s not going anywhere, nor should he. Does he need a changed approach to roster building, absolutely. Does he need more $$$, absolutely.
 
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Piratz said:
This year should be an awakening for everyone. For a school like Seton Hall given how backwards they operate, they typically need something to punch them in the mouth.

Sha didn't forget how to coach, but something is clearly wrong this year. This is the same guy who built up lowly St. Peter's and took them to an Elite Eight (meanwhile SHU has 2 NCAAT wins in 25 years) and led The Hall to a 13-7 record in the BE last year, one of our best ever. He's not perfect - who is - but I don't think that's the problem.

The problem is how he's going about roster building and everything around him. And now he's saying his older players aren't his kind of players, guys he brought into the system. Something is wrong. Look who we've lost to and the general performance. Needs to be a lesson learned from everyone on how to address NIL, how to roster build, and how to adapt because what we're seeing is completely embarrassing after taking over a team that had 6/7 NCAAT years and 2 BE banners. And SHU was slow to address NIL. Everyone needs a wake up.
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I think many of us overrate what he did at St. Peter's because it was so quick, extraordinary, and a feel good story. Yes, he had competitive teams at St. Peter's and made a great tournament run - but it is only three games with a team that got hot at the right time and had momentum. One-off tournament performances have been overrated by many throughout the history of college basketball.

Fact is, he lost double digit games in every one of his four years at St. Peter's. His best team there was the 2022 team rated #102, only because of the tournament run. His offense there was horribly rated by the analytics, as it is here. Yes, he knows how to coach defense. But are we sure about the rest? His offense is consistently bad every year he has coached, except for last year's SH team. That's looking like an outlier now. I don't see it. Program management, in-game coaching, and other factors lead me to believe that he is in over his head at the high major level.
 
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shu09 said:
I think many of us overrate what he did at St. Peter's because it was so quick, extraordinary, and a feel good story. Yes, he had competitive teams at St. Peter's and made a great tournament run - but it is only three games with a team that got hot at the right time and had momentum. One-off tournament performances have been overrated by many throughout the history of college basketball.

Fact is, he lost double digit games in every one of his four years at St. Peter's. His best team there was the 2022 team rated #102, only because of the tournament run. His offense there was horribly rated by the analytics, as it is here. Yes, he knows how to coach defense. But are we sure about the rest? His offense is consistently bad every year he has coached, except for last year's SH team. That's looking like an outlier now. I don't see it. Program management, in-game coaching, and other factors lead me to believe that he is in over his head at the high major level.
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There is no flukey, over rated run to the Elite 8. That is a ridiculous statement. Please stop with that nonsense. Are there miracle wins in the NCAAS? Yes, like the upset of UVA. And then what happens to those cinderellas is they get blasted in the 2nd round. Or if they get a good 2nd round game due to an upset, they get blasted in the Sweet 16. When you beat Kentuckey and Purdue and a very solid Murray state team in between, that’s not a fluke. That’s not overrated. That’s good game planning and coaching. How many D1 coaches never smell an Elite 8? The answer is the vast majority never get there.
 
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P1RAT3 said:
lmao remind me again what Sha has don't to warrant being let go?

Failed to make chicken salad out of chicken shit? FIRE HIM!

Yall really think we have a team capable of something and we are underachieving because of Sha?

This roster is awful. Some of that is on Sha, sure, but is he really walking into the room with the biggest checkbook and able to pick and choose the players he wants? Hell no. And it's not like this NIL thing has been around forever and there are proven ways to go about things. He, like everyone else, is figuring it out. If you want to say he didn't come out of the gate as hot as some others, then fine. But did we bring Sha in thinking he was some kind of NIL expert? Is there even one out there? would they even consider SHU?

The dude is not perfect, but he is a solid coach that players play hard for and has proven that when the games count the most, he and his team will show up. He also wants to be here, and if we are lucky, will be here a long time. Not many people out there we can say that about. Most coaches will come here, start to build something, get a better offer and bounce and then we are left purgatory, constantly starting over.

Take a breath. Think before you speak.
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Exactly and who does these fans think we can get whos gonna be soooo much better and not use us as a stepping stone
 
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shu09 said:
I think many of us overrate what he did at St. Peter's because it was so quick, extraordinary, and a feel good story. Yes, he had competitive teams at St. Peter's and made a great tournament run - but it is only three games with a team that got hot at the right time and had momentum. One-off tournament performances have been overrated by many throughout the history of college basketball.

Fact is, he lost double digit games in every one of his four years at St. Peter's. His best team there was the 2022 team rated #102, only because of the tournament run. His offense there was horribly rated by the analytics, as it is here. Yes, he knows how to coach defense. But are we sure about the rest? His offense is consistently bad every year he has coached, except for last year's SH team. That's looking like an outlier now. I don't see it. Program management, in-game coaching, and other factors lead me to believe that he is in over his head at the high major level.
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stop, youre completely underselling the unheard of run for st. peter's to the elite 8. that's not luck. st. peter's maybe win one game on luck, but to go to the elite 8 against the teams they played is absolutely something to take note of.

st. peter's is one of the hardest teams to win with in that conference. probably the hardest.

should i remind everyone

brobible.com

Wild Stories About Saint Peter's Basketball From Former Coach Makes March Madness Run Even Crazier

Getty Image For a 15-seed to beat a 2-seed in March Madness is impressive, period. However, when you hear stories about Saint Peter's program from a
brobible.com brobible.com
 
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We are about 2 1/2 years away from this becoming serious. By that time, he will have either turned it around and he will have the option to leave. If he doesn't turn it around by that time the heat will be turned up and a change may be made.
 
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First off we have to know how many of these guys are shaheens 1st choice? Prob not many. Id bet he had many swings and misses at better talent.

Secondly its time to start the players who can score.the damn ball and play them 30 min amd see what the potential really is. Jahseem was taken out afyer 4 min and came back w 12 left in the game. Why? Enough of dual and aligbe. Rest of the season they should just relieve the starters here and there.
 
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Dude I was answering who we would replace Sha with. I wasn’t saying I want that. Relax
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sorry i thought you were the original poster. apologies. but everyone calling to axe sha, one of the only coaches who wants to stay here, has no idea who to replace him with. another maac guy ?
 
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First off we have to know how many of these guys are shaheens 1st choice? Prob not many. Id bet he had many swings and misses at better talent.

Secondly its time to start the players who can score.the damn ball and play them 30 min amd see what the potential really is. Jahseem was taken out afyer 4 min and came back w 12 left in the game. Why? Enough of dual and aligbe. Rest of the season they should just relieve the starters here and there.
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Hey hey. Aligbe had 3 rebounds today. That’s triple his usual production.
 
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We are about 2 1/2 years away from this becoming serious. By that time, he will have either turned it around and he will have the option to leave. If he doesn't turn it around by that time the heat will be turned up and a change may be made.
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No Iowa next year I guess. Just kidding. Probably not going anywhere but nothing would surprise me after reading his comments after game.
 
You can’t use what someone did previously as justification.

Purdue and Kentucky are the historically most upset teams in the NCAA tournament over the last 10 years. To not consider the fact that sha got lucky is equally insane
 
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stop, youre completely underselling the unheard of run for st. peter's to the elite 8. that's not luck. st. peter's maybe win one game on luck, but to go to the elite 8 against the teams they played is absolutely something to take note of.

st. peter's is one of the hardest teams to win with in that conference. probably the hardest.

should i remind everyone

brobible.com

Wild Stories About Saint Peter's Basketball From Former Coach Makes March Madness Run Even Crazier

Getty Image For a 15-seed to beat a 2-seed in March Madness is impressive, period. However, when you hear stories about Saint Peter's program from a
brobible.com brobible.com
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You do realize no one INSIDE views it anywhere near this? This is a media Cinderella story…inside the sport not so much

It’s somewhere inbetween..no one can take that run away from him or those players and that team..amazing for them…did/does absolutely zip for us
 
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The elite 8 run would have helped much more prior to NIL. Unfortunately, now it is mostly about $$. That run didn’t help him much with recruiting at Seton Hall.
 
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