At 55 minutes he was emailed and asked about SHU / NIL. Worth a listen
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Francesa on Seton Hall and NIL
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Thank you for posting, Mike’s response was spot on. Each are entitled to their own opinion on NIL. Mine is that I prefer my beloved University to step out of this madness, maybe to D3, rather than continue this charade. Looks like the Ivy League is thus far enforcing amateurism, but they have like-minded schools and are willing to accept the competitive imbalance. It would be great if the Big East did something similar, but I doubt it.
Thanks for sharing. Very good listen. And one point he touched upon that i did not even think of is from academic perspective....why would coaches even care if you go to class considering you will be gone the next year.
It will be very interesting to see how many kids in this current environment actually graduate.
It will be very interesting to see how many kids in this current environment actually graduate.
He’s right about the NIL and high major college sports generally.
On specific teams, he isn’t connected anymore like he was back in the 80s and 90s when he was really dialed in on college hoops.
For example, Providence by all accounts has strong NIL, but he lumped them with us because both are smaller Catholic schools. The only thing he knows about the Hall is what went public after Pitino defended Sha. Other than that he doesn’t know anything about the Hall or most others.
Even St John’s he’s jumping on the bandwagon now but the reality is 95% of our boards knows more about them than he does.
On specific teams, he isn’t connected anymore like he was back in the 80s and 90s when he was really dialed in on college hoops.
For example, Providence by all accounts has strong NIL, but he lumped them with us because both are smaller Catholic schools. The only thing he knows about the Hall is what went public after Pitino defended Sha. Other than that he doesn’t know anything about the Hall or most others.
Even St John’s he’s jumping on the bandwagon now but the reality is 95% of our boards knows more about them than he does.
yup. this sums everything up really nicely. said this 2 years ago. its the end. i prepared myself mentally.
I think the best is the car dealership from Syracuse story but the scariest by far is venture capitalists and private equity owning pieces of the Big10? That’s just beyond what I could have ever imagined for this
Not a big Francesca fan but he knows more about the Hall than you give him credit for. Back in the PJ days post '89 when we were in the NCAAs he had PJ on his WMCA show a number of times. But I do agree that if not for the NCAAs he wouldn't know how to spell SHU. That 's the only time he spent time on college hoops.
Unfortunately he's right about the current state of college hoops.
Oh I agree he was locked into the Hall back in the day. In the mid-late 80s and early/mid 90s especially. He was Brent M's "stats" guy before he made it on WFAN so he covered an enormous amount of college football and basketball and was very dialed into the scene and many teams, both Big East and elsewhere. Ultimately between the connection with Brent and him gaining acclaim on WFAN he parlayed that into a studio gig at CBS and covered both regular season games and the NCAA tournament. He famously made the bet with IMUS where he predicted we would go to the final 4.
When the page turned to the 2000s, I found his level of knowledge to be much less about college basketball generally. He was no longer involved in CBS. St. John's stopped being good on a regular basis, so they weren't getting as much WFAN coverage as they did in the 90s. Many of his contemporaries or sources of information moved on. He was still connected to certain coaches like Majerus and Calhoun during that timeframe, and even Calipari to an extent, but I found him to be not nearly as "in the know" as he was in the past.
More recently, he knew Jay Wright from Hofstra and became very Nova-focused when Wright made his first final 4 run and especially when Jay's later teams won their titles, and would have Wright on a fair amount or talk about his relationship with Wright. But he was much more focused on teams or coaches, like Wright.
My point was that in recent years he has no clue about what transpires at Seton Hall. Unlike the PJ years or the immediate post-PJ years. He likely only knows about the NIL-piece with us because Pitino made that comment publicly supporting and defending Sha, and he started paying attention to St. John's again last year when they hired Pitino, but especially now with their current record (he's a total bandwagon fan IMO). He also has a relationship with our favorite booster Repole through horse racing and had Repole on for that famous rant years ago when he went after SJU's then-incompetent administration.
He was amazing early-on: in the 1980's. Seemed very close to Ara Parseghian, too. He imploded at CBS when he quit at the outset of March Madness when he was demoted from color commentator to courtside fill-in. He soon became a latter-day Pete Franklin. He dismantled and probably blindsided Blaney over the Richie Parker fiasco, though Blaney should have known it was coming. He was always his own biggest booster with an ego larger than he was. Will be remembered more as a windbag than anything else.
That was 36 years ago!!
Did he ever get his Porsche from Imus?
He’s right but he can’t see around the corner. This is well on its way to a semi pro sport. The Hall will have a chance to sell real team sponsorships. Look for major corporations to have their names attached to teams.
He is spot on and what I have also been saying....this no longer has anything to do with the school. I don't that that reckoning has hit most "fans" yet, but it will. We root for Seton Hall because we root for our alma mater, kids going to the same place I went to, building her up, making alums proud...that is gone. These kids have no sense of "place"; they don't/won't identify with a school; they are 1 year mercenaries who will likely attend few, if any, classes.
I think when that finally settles in, is when fans will start to drop like flies...and the reality that this is nothing more than the "G League" light, or as Francesa points out, the pros start paying for these leagues...I mean can't you see the Power 4 approaching the NFL saying, "hey, we are tired of financing your minor leagues; the schools no longer have a connection to the teams, and don't want to fork over big bucks to pay for them, so we need the NFL to finally pay for the development we have been providing forever."
a lot of these kids cant even make an open jumpshot and are making more money by being in the ncaa. that will normalize. the problem is the leagues like big 10 and sec can sustain themselves with their talent for 4 years to remain continuity. and those schools have tons of fans of the brand not the school. a lot of their fans never even went there
Why did I think we were hearing our own obituary as a basketball power? Unfortunately, I think it may be all over for us. We desperately need some wealthy alum to step up.
I’m very happy though that he echoed the fact that it’s all about NIL money and not coaching. A lot of our posters blame the school and Sha for this bad season, but the overriding reason for our lack of success is the lack of funds to purchase better players.
I’m very happy though that he echoed the fact that it’s all about NIL money and not coaching. A lot of our posters blame the school and Sha for this bad season, but the overriding reason for our lack of success is the lack of funds to purchase better players.
Take a look at who actually owns the Dodgers. How MLB owners let this happen is crazy.
The thing is the rule changes were aimed at pushing schools like Seton Hall, and even UConn, out of DI basketball. Where's the outrage?
Because we're a state school, we will be able to compete for longer, but eventually it will kill the BE as a high major conference. And there's not a damn thing any of us can do about it unless one of the P4 conferences deign to throw us a lifeline.
Because we're a state school, we will be able to compete for longer, but eventually it will kill the BE as a high major conference. And there's not a damn thing any of us can do about it unless one of the P4 conferences deign to throw us a lifeline.
Maybe I misheard, but I didn't hear him totally right off the impact of coaching.
From a recruiting perspective, he was pretty opinionated about the significance of NIL compared to in the past, when certain guys were great recruiters/closers (others not) and where things like facilities no doubt played a huge role.
NIL or not, coaching and player development still matters big time. Look at all the teams that supposedly spent huge NIL dollars this year like Kansas State or Arkansas that are having awful seasons.
His main point was that we have now have a system where it's the A's and the Rays, on one side, and the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees etc, on the other. With various teams between.
To be the Rays, you need to coach/scout/develop. The NIL rich teams can still fail, no different than what we've seen in baseball forever, but they have an inherent advantage.
I’ll start this with the fact that I’m a 40+ year season ticket holder…but, if we merely get a “sugar donor” (I want dibs on that term…lol) and we recruit year to year mercenaries…is it really “Seton Hall” that’s winning?
I still say we should consider a different path, a strong mix of high school seniors we sign to long term deals, with a mix of specific need transfers.
We’re never going to have an equal budget; we’re always going to rely largely on development; we have to get creative and think differently.
This! And I've been saying it for years now.
But also it's still on the admin. But our fan base can't sustain NIL fundraising.
