George Floyd had ‘violent criminal history’: Minneapolis police union chief

[Halldan1]

https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/george-floyd-had-violent-criminal-history-minneapolis-union-chief/

George Floyd had ‘violent criminal history’: Minneapolis police union chief
By Kate Sheehy

George Floyd had ‘violent criminal history’: Minneapolis police union chief

The head of the Minneapolis police union says George Floyd’s “violent criminal history” needs to be remembered and that the protests over his death are the work of a “terrorist movement.”

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

Floyd died last week after a white cop kneeled on the 46-year-old black man’s neck for nearly 9 minutes, a shocking incident that was caught on video and is sparking widespread violent protests, including in New York City. Floyd had allegedly just tried to pass a phony $20 bill before he died.

“This terrorist movement that is currently occurring was a long time build up which dates back years,” Kroll said in his letter of the protests, adding that some of his city’s issues exist because Minneapolis leaders have been “minimizing the size of our police force and diverting funds to community activists with an anti-police agenda.

“Our chief requested 400 more officers and was flatly denied any. This is what led to this record breaking riot,” he said.

The union chief vowed that his organization would help the cop accused of killing Floyd, now-fired Officer Derek Chauvin, and three other officers who were at the scene and are being investigated.

“I’ve worked with the four defense attorneys that are representing each of our four terminated individuals under criminal investigation, in addition with our labor attorneys to fight for their jobs. They were terminated without due process,” Kroll wrote.

 

[deheremike]

It took them a long time to come out with the fact that he had Covid. Had nothing to do with him dying, but with Covid fever in full effect, I cant believe that wasn't mentioned.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/george-floyd-had-violent-criminal-history-minneapolis-union-chief/

George Floyd had ‘violent criminal history’: Minneapolis police union chief
By Kate Sheehy

George Floyd had ‘violent criminal history’: Minneapolis police union chief

The head of the Minneapolis police union says George Floyd’s “violent criminal history” needs to be remembered and that the protests over his death are the work of a “terrorist movement.”

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

Floyd died last week after a white cop kneeled on the 46-year-old black man’s neck for nearly 9 minutes, a shocking incident that was caught on video and is sparking widespread violent protests, including in New York City. Floyd had allegedly just tried to pass a phony $20 bill before he died.

“This terrorist movement that is currently occurring was a long time build up which dates back years,” Kroll said in his letter of the protests, adding that some of his city’s issues exist because Minneapolis leaders have been “minimizing the size of our police force and diverting funds to community activists with an anti-police agenda.

“Our chief requested 400 more officers and was flatly denied any. This is what led to this record breaking riot,” he said.

The union chief vowed that his organization would help the cop accused of killing Floyd, now-fired Officer Derek Chauvin, and three other officers who were at the scene and are being investigated.

“I’ve worked with the four defense attorneys that are representing each of our four terminated individuals under criminal investigation, in addition with our labor attorneys to fight for their jobs. They were terminated without due process,” Kroll wrote.

Of course the union is going to paint a picture to the type of person and bad deeds the deceased was involved in.

 

[MBF72]

Gives police unions----- and all unions, unfortunately--- a bad name.

 

[flconticello]

George Floyd certainly wasn't up for sainthood but that's no excuse for what those cops did. Read on another forum(can't vouche for its accuracy) that Floyd fired Chauvin from a PT security job at a club they both worked at. If true, that's murder in the 1st. Really doesn't matter because he won't last 6 month alive.

 

[SHUMAN]

George Floyd certainly wasn't up for sainthood but that's no excuse for what those cops did. Read on another forum(can't vouche for its accuracy) that Floyd fired Chauvin from a PT security job at a club they both worked at. If true, that's murder in the 1st. Really doesn't matter because he won't last 6 month alive.

From what I read from the owner of nightclub is that they both worked security and they may have crossed paths. No mention of them even knowing each other or one firing the other.

 

[Abbo71]

George Floyd certainly wasn't up for sainthood but that's no excuse for what those cops did. Read on another forum(can't vouche for its accuracy) that Floyd fired Chauvin from a PT security job at a club they both worked at. If true, that's murder in the 1st. Really doesn't matter because he won't last 6 month alive.

It is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for the cop killing (murdering that man) he had no weapons, was cuffed, stretched out helplessly on the ground and posed no danger at all to anyone. Nine or so minutes of torture, (and torture is what it is) was malicious and shows intent to kill. It should be Murder 1. Cops like that do not belong on any police force, and this guy gives all the great police officers in our country a bad name. I have great respect for all lawmen and what they do at great risk to themselves to keep the peace and protect all races of people. This cop is a monster. Riots, anarchy, arson, nihilism, etc. etc. etc. is disgraceful, and disgusting behavior and so is the politics involved. I am very upset, and enraged at what I feel is the murdering of our great country. This cannot be tolerated.

 

[The Crows Nest]

https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/george-floyd-had-violent-criminal-history-minneapolis-union-chief/

George Floyd had ‘violent criminal history’: Minneapolis police union chief
By Kate Sheehy

George Floyd had ‘violent criminal history’: Minneapolis police union chief

The head of the Minneapolis police union says George Floyd’s “violent criminal history” needs to be remembered and that the protests over his death are the work of a “terrorist movement.”

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

Floyd died last week after a white cop kneeled on the 46-year-old black man’s neck for nearly 9 minutes, a shocking incident that was caught on video and is sparking widespread violent protests, including in New York City. Floyd had allegedly just tried to pass a phony $20 bill before he died.

“This terrorist movement that is currently occurring was a long time build up which dates back years,” Kroll said in his letter of the protests, adding that some of his city’s issues exist because Minneapolis leaders have been “minimizing the size of our police force and diverting funds to community activists with an anti-police agenda.

“Our chief requested 400 more officers and was flatly denied any. This is what led to this record breaking riot,” he said.

The union chief vowed that his organization would help the cop accused of killing Floyd, now-fired Officer Derek Chauvin, and three other officers who were at the scene and are being investigated.

“I’ve worked with the four defense attorneys that are representing each of our four terminated individuals under criminal investigation, in addition with our labor attorneys to fight for their jobs. They were terminated without due process,” Kroll wrote.

I made the point about the union in another post without having read this. Unions make it VERY difficult to fire anyone... this likely why these cops survived on the force despite many charges against them.
Someone has call the union out as playing a major role in these situations... but they won’t out of fear.
Police need to realize blindly supporting bad cops gives the 90% good cops a bad name. The union is doing them a disservice

 

[Halldan1]

It is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for the cop killing (murdering that man) he had no weapons, was cuffed, stretched out helplessly on the ground and posed no danger at all to anyone. Nine or so minutes of torture, (and torture is what it is) was malicious and shows intent to kill. It should be Murder 1. Cops like that do not belong on any police force, and this guy gives all the great police officers in our country a bad name. I have great respect for all lawmen and what they do at great risk to themselves to keep the peace and protect all races of people. This cop is a monster. Riots, anarchy, arson, nihilism, etc. etc. etc. is disgraceful, and disgusting behavior and so is the politics involved. I am very upset, and enraged at what I feel is the murdering of our great country. This cannot be tolerated.

He and the other 3 will pay the price. Regardless of the judicial outcome his life in particular is over.

1. Go to jail and you'll have to spend your time there in solitary, otherwise you won't last a week in confinement.

2. Found innocent and you'll be on the streets looking over your shoulder until your past catches up with the present.

3. Your family will have to keep their distance for fear of reprisal for your sins.

The above is certainly not justice the way justice should be, but it is reality.

 

[HALL85]

I wonder how they are going to treat the two rookies. It was only the third shift for one cop. Think back about our third day on any job and how overwhelming it is and intimidating to have someone senior telling you what to do. That may explain their in action. Gonna be even worse for Chauvin.

 

[TomD82]

And the 75 year old man in Buffalo who was pushed down by cops and left on the street bleeding from hitting his head on the pavement tripped according to a Buffalo police spokesperson. I also saw the girl near the Barkclays center who had her phone knocked out of her hand and then pushed down. Floyd was probably no saint is right, but what the union and spokespersons are saying is ridiculous.

 

[The SHUttle]

I am a staunch supporter of the police, but this is a perfect example of the circle-the-wagons, defend-at-all-costs mentality that can exist within the police and within many other unions. No matter his background or what transpired while the cameras were not rolling, there were 4 officers who had him well under control. There was no reason for him to die, and the officers involved are culpable professionally and criminally.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

And the 75 year old man in Buffalo who was pushed down by cops and left on the street bleeding from hitting his head on the pavement tripped according to a Buffalo police spokesperson. I also saw the girl near the Barkclays center who had her phone knocked out of her hand and then pushed down. Floyd was probably no saint is right, but what the union and spokespersons are saying is ridiculous.

And the cops killed in St. Louis and Las Vegas killed for no reason. Right now the country is in a terrible spot and it's because individuals feel there are no consequences for their actions. A lady in Toms River was arrested for organizing a peaceful protest a month and a half ago. Today people are breaking into places, stealing items, destroying the livelyhood of people of all races with no consequences. Democrats and Republicans are failing us. All of them. Not just one person, not just one side, all of them. People get murdered everyday in this country. Yet people only point out the people hurt by the police. It's as if we the people are saying, we expect ordinary people to kill, but not cops. Is that the world we live in? That's disgusting.

I'm not sure how many people were murdered this year. But I'd love to see the percentage of people killed by cops compared to overall murders. My guess it's less than 1%. 99% of people killed are by ordinary people and we don't protest it, we don't fight it, we just say another day in paradise while people get murdered. Those lives matter too. It's sad people go off the deep end about this situation but can ignore the others. There's no justification for this situation, but neither is their any justification for all the other murders that happen in this country.

 

[SHUSA]

its absolutely mind boggling that in this crazy heightened time of police scrutiny, smartphones, and protests against brutality we have over 50 documented videos of disgusting police brutality.

police are literally committing criminal acts against protesters at a police brutality rally! there are bad apples but thats way too much. it highlights the culture. in the one week to abstain from such acts they couldnt do it. and thats the stuff caught on cameras. imagine what goes on off camera, not during police protests...

some real sick acts, cops pulling masks down (a felony during covid?) to spray people in the face, cops putting their batons in peoples hands to have "reason" to beat them, tackling people with their hands up doing nothing, blinding innocent people with the rubber bullets. saw a police push a photographer into a fire for NO reason. saw a horrible video of a policeman fire a flashbang CANASTER into a mans head from 5 feet away, think hes blind too.

this is supposed to be the law. if they cant refrain from it at police brutality rallies, when can they? they have some answering to do.

here are two databases of collected police brutality vids from the last week. some are not so bad, others are terrible.

https://2020policebrutality.netlify.app/

AND

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

its absolutely mind boggling that in this crazy heightened time of police scrutiny, smartphones, and protests against brutality we have over 50 documented videos of disgusting police brutality.

police are literally committing criminal acts against protesters at a police brutality rally! there are bad apples but thats way too much. it highlights the culture. in the one week to abstain from such acts they couldnt do it. and thats the stuff caught on cameras. imagine what goes on off camera, not during police protests...

some real sick acts, cops pulling masks down (a felony during covid?) to spray people in the face, cops putting their batons in peoples hands to have "reason" to beat them, tackling people with their hands up doing nothing, blinding innocent people with the rubber bullets.

this is supposed to be the law. if they cant refrain from it at police brutality rallies, when can they? they have some answering to do.

here is a good list of some of the abuse captured the last week. even more in comments. its almost like they get off on the power.

https://2020policebrutality.netlify.app/

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Get your vision checked. It's happening on both sides. You seem to see only one.

 

[jim34238]

It took them a long time to come out with the fact that he had Covid. Had nothing to do with him dying, but with Covid fever in full effect, I cant believe that wasn't mentioned.

Covid effects the lungs and the ability to breath. These cops are going to walk.

 

[SHUSA]

Get your vision checked. It's happening on both sides. You seem to see only one.

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ooo! someone is defensive. i never defended the other side. we know that criminals commit crimes. you expect that. but you dont expect cops to be just as bad/worse. the videos i linked are all on peaceful protesters.

btw where are the cops in any of these looting videos??? they simply arent there. theyre dealing with the peaceful protesters and letting sympathy get dimished for the cause by letting the looting go.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

ooo! someone is defensive. i never defended the other side. we know that criminals commit crimes. you expect that. but you dont expect cops to be just as bad/worse. the videos i linked are all on peaceful protesters.

btw where are the cops in any of these looting videos??? they simply arent there. theyre dealing with the peaceful protesters and letting sympathy get dimished for the cause by letting the looting go.

Not defensive at all. And how do any of us know those are peaceful protesters. Do you know what those protesters were doing 20 minutes before that video was taken? I don't have a clue and neither do you. Maybe that's why the cops got involved

 

[SHUSA]

Not defensive at all. And how do any of us know those are peaceful protesters. Do you know what those protesters were doing 20 minutes before that video was taken? I don't have a clue and neither do you. Maybe that's why the cops got involved

thats a weak defense and its irrelevant because none of them were acively doing anything to deserve that treatment at the time.

i mean a photgrapher is taking a picture of a fire and gets pushed in it from behind! these small incidents are building up too much for my taste.

and im in the camp that expresses how much we need police. but no side of the spectrum is right. the above stuff needs to be better at a culture level.

 

[BILL BELFER]

I am so upset by all of this division, chaos, violence and disease i am ready to pay the 50Gs to Elon Musk and go to Mars on the Starship. Three things are stopping me howeverr: 1st Mars has a ancient history of nuclear dessimation. The air is more toxic than New Jersey's. 2nd My wife has 50% ownership of everything and 100 % of all decisions that i make. And 3rd There is no Seton Hall basketball on Mars. So i might as well just stay here and pray for our country. What could be more helpful than that? Stay safe and watch your back.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

thats a weak defense and its irrelevant because none of them were acively doing anything to deserve that treatment at the time.

i mean a photgrapher is taking a picture of a fire and gets pushed in it from behind! these small incidents are building up too much for my taste.

and im in the camp that expresses how much we need police. but no side of the spectrum is right. the above stuff needs to be better at a culture level.

Ooooo at the time. That's as idiotic as saying the killer cops isn't doing anything wrong at this time so let him go.

 

[SHUSA]

Ooooo at the time. That's as idiotic as saying the killer cops isn't doing anything wrong at this time so let him go.

no its not. im not saying theyre innocent im saying you dont beat someone up who isnt forceful. if a guy goes to the station and turns hismelf in for murder does he get beat up by 3 cops on the spot?

and thats assuming these people did something wrong which by the context of almost every video is false. its very clear a majority of this is unprovoked.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

no its not. im not saying theyre innocent im saying you dont beat someone up who isnt forceful. if a guy goes to the station and turns hismelf in for murder does he get beat up by 3 cops on the spot?

and thats assuming these people did something wrong which by the context of almost every video is false. its very clear a majority of this is unprovoked.

You can assume but you don’t know and neither do I. those protesters if they did something werent exactly turning themselves in. Were they? How many cops have been unnecessarily hurt or killed? Doesn’t matter to you because criminals commit crimes. It’s expected. Cops are human. They’re not perfect. To expect 100% perfection is equivalent to expecting any team to play a perfect game with no offensive or defensive breakdowns.

 

[hbkmyr]

You can assume but you don’t know and neither do I. those protesters if they did something werent exactly turning themselves in. Were they? How many cops have been unnecessarily hurt or killed? Doesn’t matter to you because criminals commit crimes. It’s expected. Cops are human. They’re not perfect. To expect 100% perfection is equivalent to expecting any team to play a perfect game with no offensive or defensive breakdowns.

Based on many game threads there is a segment of the fan base that does expect 100% perfection.

 

[Fishjam]

As people have already stated, what bothers me the most aren’t the small percentage of cops who are bad people and commit brutality - it’s the culture within the departments and cultivated by the unions that All cops must always back other cops no matter what, the blue code of silence that makes them all complicit.

It should be ingrained into their culture to actively stop any fellow officer who commits an act of brutality, to come to the aid of any person bullied by an officer, to publicly reprimand and condemn bad behavior within their ranks.

That is where our system is broken and where the overwhelming majority of good police need to step up and change things from within.

 

[HALL85]

As people have already stated, what bothers me the most aren’t the small percentage of cops who are bad people and commit brutality - it’s the culture within the departments and cultivated by the unions that All cops must always back other cops no matter what, the blue code of silence that makes them all complicit.

It should be ingrained into their culture to actively stop any fellow officer who commits an act of brutality, to come to the aid of any person bullied by an officer, to publicly reprimand and condemn bad behavior within their ranks.

That is where our system is broken and where the overwhelming majority of good police need to step up and change things from within.

Not much different than the sexual abuse that is ingrained across the MSM? CBS, NBC, FOX. You don’t think the medical community doesn’t rat out bad actors? They know who the criminals are who overprescribe opioids. Let’s not pretend that law enforcement is the only profession that protects its own.

 

[TrueBlue1989]

https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/george-floyd-had-violent-criminal-history-minneapolis-union-chief/

George Floyd had ‘violent criminal history’: Minneapolis police union chief
By Kate Sheehy

George Floyd had ‘violent criminal history’: Minneapolis police union chief

The head of the Minneapolis police union says George Floyd’s “violent criminal history” needs to be remembered and that the protests over his death are the work of a “terrorist movement.”

“What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter.

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

Floyd died last week after a white cop kneeled on the 46-year-old black man’s neck for nearly 9 minutes, a shocking incident that was caught on video and is sparking widespread violent protests, including in New York City. Floyd had allegedly just tried to pass a phony $20 bill before he died.

“This terrorist movement that is currently occurring was a long time build up which dates back years,” Kroll said in his letter of the protests, adding that some of his city’s issues exist because Minneapolis leaders have been “minimizing the size of our police force and diverting funds to community activists with an anti-police agenda.

“Our chief requested 400 more officers and was flatly denied any. This is what led to this record breaking riot,” he said.

The union chief vowed that his organization would help the cop accused of killing Floyd, now-fired Officer Derek Chauvin, and three other officers who were at the scene and are being investigated.

“I’ve worked with the four defense attorneys that are representing each of our four terminated individuals under criminal investigation, in addition with our labor attorneys to fight for their jobs. They were terminated without due process,” Kroll wrote.

His criminal record is irrelevant. He was restrained and thus there was absolutely no reason to kneel on his neck. It was a murder.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

You can assume but you don’t know and neither do I. those protesters if they did something werent exactly turning themselves in. Were they? How many cops have been unnecessarily hurt or killed? Doesn’t matter to you because criminals commit crimes. It’s expected. Cops are human. They’re not perfect. To expect 100% perfection is equivalent to expecting any team to play a perfect game with no offensive or defensive breakdowns.

You're quickly becoming one of my favorite posters. Reasonable in your social takes and not a sheep. I can't believe the hatred people harbor here for police, it's disgusting.

 

[SHUSA]

You're quickly becoming one of my favorite posters. Reasonable in your social takes and not a sheep. I can't believe the hatred people harbor here for police, it's disgusting.

for the record i dont hate police! we need the police, but i think everyone involved has work to do. i think there are positive changes to be made

 

[Hallsome]

I wonder how they are going to treat the two rookies. It was only the third shift for one cop. Think back about our third day on any job and how overwhelming it is and intimidating to have someone senior telling you what to do. That may explain their in action. Gonna be even worse for Chauvin.

How many onlookers surrounded that scene? Haven’t seen that in any stories.

 

[HALL85]

How many onlookers surrounded that scene? Haven’t seen that in any stories.

Someone sent me the link to the entire ten minutes on YouTube and it’s sickening to watch. The one cop (I believe he was one of the rookies) looked like a deer in the headlights and didn’t seem like he knew what to do. And there were several onlookers that were pleading for Chauvin to stop and a few recording it. At some point Chauvin is heard muttering something to Floyd about giving him a hard time getting into the car earlier, but he just keeps kneeling. If you’re a citizen in that spot, do you keep pleading, call 911, take action? Impossible to say, but it was bad.

 

[Hallsome]

Someone sent me the link to the entire ten minutes on YouTube and it’s sickening to watch. The one cop (I believe he was one of the rookies) looked like a deer in the headlights and didn’t seem like he knew what to do. And there were several onlookers that were pleading for Chauvin to stop and a few recording it. At some point Chauvin is heard muttering something to Floyd about giving him a hard time getting into the car earlier, but he just keeps kneeling. If you’re a citizen in that spot, do you keep pleading, call 911, take action? Impossible to say, but it was bad.

So just a handful of onlookers you’re saying? I thought maybe the cops felt threatened or something-but even then, threatened or not, 9 mins is a long time. Justice will get this bad acting cop but not really because nothing brings back a life, sadly/of course
Thanks

 

[flconticello]

It is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for the cop killing (murdering that man) he had no weapons, was cuffed, stretched out helplessly on the ground and posed no danger at all to anyone. Nine or so minutes of torture, (and torture is what it is) was malicious and shows intent to kill. It should be Murder 1. Cops like that do not belong on any police force, and this guy gives all the great police officers in our country a bad name. I have great respect for all lawmen and what they do at great risk to themselves to keep the peace and protect all races of people. This cop is a monster. Riots, anarchy, arson, nihilism, etc. etc. etc. is disgraceful, and disgusting behavior and so is the politics involved. I am very upset, and enraged at what I feel is the murdering of our great country. This cannot be tolerated.

Ummm MIT ghost sentence says ther is no excuse for cop's actions... ther were reprehensible.

 

[flconticello]

From what I read from the owner of nightclub is that they both worked security and they may have crossed paths. No mention of them even knowing each other or one firing the other.

Well the media would never report this because it doesn't fit the racism narrative.

 

[hbkmyr]

Almost every story out there mentions the fact that the owner said they probably didn’t know each other

 

[SHUMAN]

Amazing the consequences of one man's horrible actions in triggering all these events. And over an alleged counterfeit bill. Floyd's life is over, Chauvin's life is over (can't imagine he doesn't commit suicide at some opportune moment) and we have countless acts of violence cascading through the nation and ruining other lives. Need some true leadership to effectively navigate and I really don't see anyone on either political side having the right character or determination. Need sports back to help diffuse some of the tension and anxiety.

 

[SHUSA]

cant charge the two cops that were in their first day with murder... the guy had 13 years and was the lead. they had tk fall in like and believe he knew what they were doing.

3rd guy should have known better

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Amazing the consequences of one man's horrible actions in triggering all these events. And over an alleged counterfeit bill. Floyd's life is over, Chauvin's life is over (can't imagine he doesn't commit suicide at some opportune moment) and we have countless acts of violence cascading through the nation and ruining other lives. Need some true leadership to effectively navigate and I really don't see anyone on either political side having the right character or determination. Need sports back to help diffuse some of the tension and anxiety.

I agree on the politicians on both sides not being able to step to meet this challenge. I’m not sure how sports is going to diffuse anything right now. Kneeling will divide us next. That is just my gut feeling

 

[hbkmyr]

I agree on the politicians on both sides not being able to step to meet this challenge. I’m not sure how sports is going to diffuse anything right now. Kneeling will divide us next. That is just my gut feeling

Unfortunately I think you’re right. How quickly will the NFL trip over itself backpedaling its current stance once players start taking a knee in mass this fall?

 

[SHUSource]

Covid effects the lungs and the ability to breath. These cops are going to walk.

It does while the infection is active. His was gone for months. That had no effect, or certainly not the effect of a knee cutting off his oxygen supply for nine minutes.