Especially when Hamas won’t let you go anywhereWarnings are useless when you have no where else to go.
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Especially when Hamas won’t let you go anywhereWarnings are useless when you have no where else to go.
And where are all the other Arab countries in this? Shouldn’t they be providing safe passage and aid?Especially when Hamas won’t let you go anywhere
This is the perfect time to flee from Hamas. Grab your wife and kids and run. Tell Israel where Hamas is hiding and who is with Hamas.Especially when Hamas won’t let you go anywhere
They won’t take them in….And where are all the other Arab countries in this? Shouldn’t they be providing safe passage and aid?
As many have pointed out, articles like this are deliberately conflating the number of identified casualties compared to identified casualties and people missing or still buried under rubble. People like Joe Scarborough spread this lie that they cut the number of women and children fatalities by 50%, obviously implying that they're just lying about the death toll.While any and all deaths are tragic, the numbers are all over the place.
UN revises Gaza death toll, almost 50% less women and children killed than previously reported
The United Nations suddenly adjusted its death toll count in Gaza to show that less women and children were killed, admitting widely quoted Hamas data is unreliable.www.yahoo.com
You have this completely backwards. Hamas accepted the ceasefire terms for the release of hostages and Israel didn't. So your opinion about Hamas's motive for not releasing hostages, when they already agreed to a deal that would have released hostages, doesn't make sense.Biden super concerned about Palestinians haven’t heard him pressing Hamas to release all the hostages in return for a cease fire.i think Hamss worried about disclosing how many hostages have died in their custody so are hesitant to agree to this for a cease fire.When number is disclosed Hamas will try to maintain that most deaths were caused by Israel.I doubt anyone on this Biard will buy that argument with the possible exception of robot man.
You are not reading the news or my last post which states that Sec Blinken had said that if Hamas releases all the terorists there will be a cease fire. He urged Hamas to take the deal now.Biden super concerned about Palestinians haven’t heard him pressing Hamas to release all the hostages in return for a cease fire.i think Hamss worried about disclosing how many hostages have died in their custody so are hesitant to agree to this for a cease fire.When number is disclosed Hamas will try to maintain that most deaths were caused by Israel.I doubt anyone on this Biard will buy that argument with the possible exception of robot man.
When you drop 2,000 lb bombs on civilian occupied buildings you are in fact indiscriminately killing women and children.
Not implying anything. The better term to use in this situation is “noncombatants”I hate these phrases when people talk about war. You are implying that innocent men don't matter, only women and children. It's never okay to kill innocent people, whether they are man, woman, or child.
it will be Israel that will have to defend themselves and finish the job no matter what the rest of the world says.
Israel has to eliminate Hamas. The Palestinians have to get their act together and support an actual government other than Hamas. That hasn't happened because Hamas controls everything.
Israeli's have been the ones who have helped Palestinians for years and gave them work and befriended them.
Hamas will never settle for two state solution,they want Israel gone no other solution acceptable to them.So when this is settled don’t give them any aid.
It’s not ethnic cleansing.Neither side will settle. There is no solution acceptable to both sides.
There is just no end in sight. Israel will attempt to cleanse Gaza of Palestinians, which is going to encourage more terrorism against Israel.
I’m not suggesting that Palestinians are the good guys here. I just don’t see a path to peace, and ethnic cleansing of Gaza is a short term “win” for Israel while displacing millions and killing tens of thousand innocent civilians.
Hamas is a terrorist organization and Israel has every right to eliminate them after what they did as we did with Isis.
Israel negotiations with Palestinians is going to accomplish little until there is a plan to deal with Iran.
Why do you keep using that term? It’s not ethnic cleansing. Palestinians put themselves inAgree… but, what are Israel’s options for Gaza?
The reason I keep asking about what’s next is that they don’t really have an option that isn’t ethnically cleansing Gaza of Palestinians.
Where are the other Arab countries in helping? At the end of the day, Israel needs to protect it’s people.
Their end game will not include giving Gaza back to the Palestinians but making Gaza uninhabitable for Palestinians to come back.
Agree, but Israel not having a plan for Iran doesn’t mean they are free from criticism because they don’t have a plan of what to do with Palestinians either.
Why do you keep using that term? It’s not ethnic cleansing.
You keep using the word ethnically cleansing. That is alarmist and not the goal and not what is happening.
It’s a war and the stated objective is eliminating Hamas. The ball is in their court. Surrender and return the hostages. If that happened there would not be civilian casualties.Because Gaza will be cleared of Palestinians living there. That's the goal. Call it whatever term you like.
It’s a war and the stated objective is eliminating Hamas. The ball is in their court. Surrender and return the hostages. If that happened there would not be civilian casualties.
You’re putting words in my mouth. I didn’t say they could do no wrong.That's a naive view of the potential end to this conflict, and you're basically saying that Israel can do nothing wrong because they were attacked.
Not happening and won't happen. Too many eyes on this and too many Palestinians in Gaza. They are not going to kill millions of Palestinians. Their objective to rid Hamas from Gaza is clear. The next step of what it looks like after that is very unclear I agree with that. But ethnic cleansing is not the objective nor would it be supported by the Israeli people. Ethnic cleansing is a harsh word - you better be sure that is what is happening before you use it again.I disagree. That is what is happening. That will be the goal.
Why I keep asking about what this looks like after the war is that it will not include Palestinians living in Gaza.
They are not going to kill millions of Palestinians. Their objective to rid Hamas from Gaza is clear. The next step of what it looks like after that is very unclear I agree with that. But ethnic cleansing is not the objective nor would it be supported by the Israeli people.
Ethnic cleansing is a harsh word - you better be sure that is what is happening before you use it again.
Merge, just stop. You’re starting to sound like one of those moronic Columbia students.Ethnic cleansing doesn't mean they are all killed. While many have been and will be killed, It means Israel is going to make Gaza uninhabitable so Palestinians are forced out and unable to return to their homes and Israel will establish their own settlements in the area and "encourage" any remaining Palestinians to leave.
It's not just Hamas they want out. Ben Gvir, National Security Minister said just last week that the goal was to have Palestinians leave and Israeli settlements in Gaza.
It is harsh, and is their goal.
This just doesn't end with anything that looks like peace. Neither side wants peace.
Merge, just stop. You’re starting to sound like one of those moronic Columbia students.
Before October 7 was Israel trying to rid Gaza of Palestinians?
October 7 started a war and they are pursuing their stated objectives requiring the surrender or destruction of Hamas and getting the hostages returned. End of story.
And cherry picking a quote of one official does not make it the policy of Israel.
You are recklessly throwing around the term of “ethnic cleansing”, where the only group that is demonstrating that is Hamas.Just because I am critical of what Israel is doing doesn't mean I view the Palestinians as the good guys. I don't think there is a good guy here. Honestly just crazy to me that the US received more criticism on this board with the civilian casualties in Iraq than Israel receives here.
No, they thought they could control them by blocking their movement and propping up Hamas as their government. October 7th showed them they miscalculated.
The war didn't start there. Certainly escalated at the fault of Hamas but you're the destruction of Hamas is an unachievable goal. They are never going to surrender, and will continue to recruit members and will use Israel killing their human shields as a recruitment tool. A cycle with no end there.
I may be cherry picking but it's only because Israel doesn't really state a plan for post war objectives. What does Israel view post war Gaza looking like? We can only cherry pick because they aren't laying out an actual goal. There are plenty more I could use as well to support my view as well though.
“Everybody gets the fact that you have to destroy Hamas … but then what?” said retired Gen. Joseph Votel, who was the head of U.S. Central Command at the height of the fight against the Islamic State. “What’s the plan to take care of the 2.5 million Palestinians that are left behind? What’s the plan to deal with the remainder of the Hamas fighters? It seems incomplete and I just don’t think that they have communicated or have thought through that as well as I would’ve hoped they would’ve.”
You are recklessly throwing around the term of “ethnic cleansing”, where the only group that is demonstrating that is Hamas.
And what do you mean that the war didn’t start in October 7?
What should the message have been after 9/11? “We condemn Isis”?
And you continue to cherry pick opinions when no policy is in place. They mean nothing at this point. They have an objective which they have not deviated.
Lol…the stretch is that Israel wants ethnic cleansing. The fact that you keep bringing it up is really disturbing. Attempting to create any equivalency between Hamas and Israel is disgusting as far as I’m concerned.Reckless? A it of a stretch there. Nothing in the world is impacted by our language here.
They both want ethnic cleansing. Israel wants Palestinians out of Palestine and Palestinians want Israelis out of Israel.
Yes, there has been conflict, but the actions on October 7 …slaughtering civilians….triggered the war that followed.This is a generations long conflict between the two sides. Started well before I was born with no end in sight.
Our message was to eliminate them. No different than Israel. Sure you can never have 100% success, but as we did with Al Queda, Israel should be able to beat them into submission.Probably Al Queda... but Al Queda is still around. We couldn't wipe them out.
We attacked them, as Israel should have attacked Hamas. We attacked their leadership, as Israel should with Hamas.
Now you actually know what their post war strategy is? Interesting.I have never suggested that Israel was wrong on those points, though in my opinion it seems Israel is more careless about civilian casualties and it seems they are planning to occupy Gaza after the war is over which is a short term win for Israel which will build up the anti-Israeli sentiment and create more terrorists against them.
Once again, putting words in my mouth. There is no acceptable level of innocent lives lost. When you are fighting a terrorist group that is using those innocent people the blame should fall on them…not Israel.My view, as shared by many well more versed on this topic than you or I, is that Israel needs a stated plan for what happens to Gaza after the war. You don't think that's necessary and will continue to believe that whatever number of innocent lives are lost in this conflict is worth their goal. I believe it is necessary to establish a plan that Palestinians will support so they turn against Hamas.
When you are fighting a terrorist group that is using those innocent people the blame should fall on them…not Israel.
Yes, there has been conflict, but the actions on October 7 …slaughtering civilians….triggered the war that followed.
After Israel eradicates Hamas from Gaza, Gaza should become part of Israel. Gazans have proven they can’t govern themselves. Those that remain will be in much, much better shape than they’ve ever been. Those that don’t want to stay should be relocated to the West Bank that should become the sovereign state of Palestine. Jerusalem will have to be split. Israel should not have Palestine on its southeast and northwest