But it’s not NOT Shaheen’s fault. 0 for 3 years but we were told he wins NCAA Tournament games. Only thing is you have to participate in said tournament to win games. You can even throw away his first year and I’ll let you throw away this year if you want to blame the powers that be. Missing the tournament last year was inexcusable. Next year is make it or break it. He had the classic third year meltdown. If Sha doesn’t get it together, he will benefit from us being too poor to buy him out. To me, he made his entire career off of one magical run out of a one bid league, was coined as the hottest young coach in America, and gets a pass because of NIL. I say screw that. He’s not it. Hope I’m wrong.
It’s time for resignations at SHU
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Mike Walsh --who does not deserve the criticism some give him here--used to be very active on these boards but has been MIA. If that was his decision I respect it. But if the Administration told him to back off that would be pathetic.
I don't think so, mostly because the solution that time was to get rid of the one guy who was making other uncomfortable in their otherwise placid daily routines. That's not to say it was wrong; Gonzalez was clearly a workplace liability. But he also disrupted Seton Hall's sleepy status quo. Right now, it seems like everyone get along just grand.
Hmmm... I wonder if anything at all caused any seismic rupture in this sport in that three years, anything that could've possibly had a negative effect on a small, underfunded program, that could've influenced that?
He's probably trying to preserve his sanity by not standing in the firing line of the lunatic fringe.
Like I said— you were duped by the pass he’s been given because of NIL. I mean listen to the guy. Watch his offense. Look at his defense. Look down the bench at his assistants. He’s not it.
I certainly have an issue with those saying this is 100 percent not Sha's fault. That is not correct. Look at box scores from last season with Richmond and Davis on the team. Plenty of beatdowns including the very important game against SJU at The BigEast Tournanent. Sure, if we had those two I think the season would have been different. Did Sha get the nevcessary funds? No, we all have said that over and over.
I think if he continues to coach the way he does. Yes you are correct.
If he looks himself in the mirror and acknowledges his role in helping create the environment that surrounds our program and changes how he TEACHES and treats these young people (who are now mostly bad professionals) he can still be a good coach
Sha doesn't get a pass for what we are watching. This team doesn't have a clue. He's rolling the balls out there with an undermanned team and expecting them to be able to compete straight-up against better talent. There is no coherent strategy or game plan.
He's done a terrible job coaching this season regardless of NIL, injuries, etc.
He's done a terrible job coaching this season regardless of NIL, injuries, etc.
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No bro its all NIL. What does you expect miracles to beat Depaul and Butler? Lol you are delusional!!!!
Disregard the fact that we got destroyed by Monmouth, lost to Fordham and Hofstra. Those teams are rolling in NIL money.
Disregard the fact that we have lost our last 6 games by an average of twenty points, and if you take out the Providence game we have lost 5 of our last 6 by an average of 23. I mean, we had injuries in those games and no other teams deal with injuries only Seton Hall.
Also, disregard the fact that upsets happen in college basketball. Because apparently, it is crazy to ask for your team to upset a team with more NIL than you- it doesn't happen any more and never will.
Its completely crazy to talk about getting rid of the guy who has the program at its lowest point ever!
It's not Shaheens fault- he has been so loyal to us despite the fact that he is paid 2.5 million and almost left last year to go to Louisville so he has earned many more years despite the fact that we havent made the tournament since he has been here because a few years ago he took another school to the Elite 8.
No, I wouldn't say I've been duped. He's not blameless for what's happening this year, but to lay it at his feet is misguided. This roster is awful -- I mean, almost everyone completely sucks -- and he chose it. Now, we know he had bottlecaps to spend, and that's mostly not his fault. This is a completely new world, having to have the budget to build a good roster, and there are coaches who have no worries and are able to get everyone they want badly enough by upping the offer. Sha does not have that luxury. So he made the choice this year to take what he's got and spread it around on guys with potential or high ceilings or high athletic ability but who have underperformed so far with the belief he could make something out of them while being able to keep fresh legs over the course of a game and season.
We see how that's turned out. And he see it, too. No one has panned out. We've seen some modest development in some cases, but not enough to move the needle. This roster is terrible, with the exception of Coleman. Aligbe has probably performed to expectations. No one else has taken a step forward.
This all got off to a bad start when Harmon, who I expected to be the primary PG, was a no show. That was a major problem that I don't think gets mentioned enough. He could play. And lately, as we've bottomed out, there have been injuries. Losing by 30 to Butler is bad, but we also played without Jenkins, Addae-Wusu, and Middleton. As bad as our team is, those might be three of the best four players lost from a lineup that has zero margin for error.
So do I think if the payroll situation stays the same that Sha will try to build this way again? No, no way. That would be idiotic. I think he's leanring to navigate this landscape on the fly, with one wing tied behind his back. That he is at a signifcant competititve disadvantage is not disputable.
So I blame his for his approach to building the roster, but it's not a signifcant ding on his overall profile because there are very good and more experienced coaches struggling with this new landscape, too, even ones with more to play with.
Can he do anything to increase our payroll? I actually think yes, he can, and he will have to work on this if he wants to succeed here. The job isn't just coachign and recruitign anymore. Much like the job of university presidents at one time was to be the top academic on campus, a glorified provist, the job has changed. Presidents now have to be able to exist in an academic landscape, but also be adapt at fundraising, community relations, and real estate prospecting, among other things. Coaches can't just run practice anymore and recruit. They also have to be out there beating the bushes, cultivating relationships, and being able to make the ask from targeted prospects.
People like Sha. He is very well respected in the business, and his interactions with fans and alumni are good when he makes himself available. To me, this is an essential part of his role going foeward, and if he won't, then he's in trouble. I have no doubt about him as a coach and recruiter. He proved he could do both in the former context. But he's got to be able to make that shift to pay-for-play and everything that entails. And the univesity, in turn, has to enable and empower him to do that. Hire the GM, give him the resources necessary for things to move forward while Sha is out having lunches, taking meetings, and shaking hands with donors.
You'll always get some hungry young climber, even if things stay mostly static. It would still free Sha to do the other duties of the job as I've outlined them. If they university actually steps up and decides it wants to remain viable? You can do all right, I think. It all swings on the commitment by the school. If that doesn't change, nothing is going to improve anything more than incrementally and inconsistently, based on how luckily we roll the dice in the portal each year.
I agree with this take. I will say that, among the myriad of things that need to change, is his attitude towards open doors and fan engagement. The players are hidden from everyone, his coaches are muzzled, and the team offers the fans nothing. For a University with shoestring resources, it has been an awfully myopic approach.
Sha gets no pass for this year.
1) When you don't play Godswill much and Okorafor not at all and say it's because the opposing team is too fast but play Yalden 17 minutes in that game, I'm thinking you lost something off your fastball.
2) Roster construction was horrible, this spread the wealth/quality depth thing is a huge failure, too mnay pl;ayers juist not good eneough.
3) His constant surliness is a real turn off for me and I'd bet the players too. Makes getting players in the future that much more difficult as Seton Hall is never going to outbid anyone.
4) His media unfriendliness is a sin. Seton Hall needs every inch of positive press it can get. Needs to be more open and approachable.
I'm still a fan but getting weary of his act. Can't be the same next year.
1) When you don't play Godswill much and Okorafor not at all and say it's because the opposing team is too fast but play Yalden 17 minutes in that game, I'm thinking you lost something off your fastball.
2) Roster construction was horrible, this spread the wealth/quality depth thing is a huge failure, too mnay pl;ayers juist not good eneough.
3) His constant surliness is a real turn off for me and I'd bet the players too. Makes getting players in the future that much more difficult as Seton Hall is never going to outbid anyone.
4) His media unfriendliness is a sin. Seton Hall needs every inch of positive press it can get. Needs to be more open and approachable.
I'm still a fan but getting weary of his act. Can't be the same next year.
Yes, and I intended to emphasize this more but just forget before posting. Totally agree. The guy is a hero, a literal Hall of Famer at the school, and we don't leverage him in that capacity at all other than in the most superficial, impersonal ways.
#3 and #4 are pretty big red flags for me. If this is how he is in public, what is he like behind closed doors? His ego seems to be very much out of control from what we see in public.
Mic drop.
Sha is ticking off the reporters who have covered him in a positive light and has done so all season. He is literally the worst marketer of a team in the Big East and is clearly not getting through to his players either with his approach.
His staff is also not helping. Sha has to look in the mirror and decide if he “can’t screw this up.” Because he is.
And Felt and the SHU leadership has to sit him down and have a come to Jesus meeting. More marketing. Stop trying to play ten players. Have an offense. Construct a roster with players that understand basketball. Have to pay for an PG, shooter and a big. And open up the comms with the press and for the players and continue that every day of the year.
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Sounds like you just described a bad coach. That’s a lot to figure out in one offseason. Let’s hope he’s willing and able.
I still believe he can do it if he is open to a lot of changes. It's his career and I know he has a ton of pride in his success. It's a new, crazy world in college hoops and he has to be more willing to change and also lead our program in this silly portal/NIL time. Hopefully he takes time to reflect, reach out to his mentors and is honest with himself.
Blaming Mike Walsh is misguided, he is a volunteer who took this on as a passion project. You want to blame someone? How about Felt and Lyons at the top? They are scared of their own shadow and won't ruffle a single feather. Cruise control for them, what a great gig make mid 6 figures and have 0 ramifications for poor results.
Didnt Felt basically blow off Mike Walsh until he realized Hall Hands on Deck and its volunteers were better at doing NIL than he was?
The mistakes started and continue when Sha was hired/anointed . Sha would not give any "hometown discounts" and The Hall gave the program to him. Sha has no Boss - he believes he is the Program . He believes he can and should do everything. He has no mentor --he has a bunch of "Assistants" that dress in different sweatsuits and sit on the bench for a few hours each Game ( has anyone seen him interact with his Assistants)? Does he get advice from them?
Willard had Lyons --Willard was given advice and directives by Lyons. Sha has no one. Sha needs someone --he can not do everything himself. Hope that someone steps up -someone that can be the "Boss" that Sha needs.
if we were able to keep Dre and Richmond, do you think we have same results? clearly answer is no.
now, can you tell me why we don't have dre and richmond? righhhhht. it all stems from NIL.
Sha is hamstrung with money, thats our real problem. the Losing to the extent that we are is due to Sha's depth strategy and flyer guys backfiring. but make no mistake he went with that strategy because of NIL. the end result of losing would be marginally different.
#2 is the big reason. it was an all or nothing strategy and it really turned out into nothing. like really bad roster. and now some of the top third guys are barely playing. its just straight up the wrong strategy and wrong roster. theres no fixing it so every game is a disaster. theres season has been given up on from everyone. but next year provided the chance to be completely different
Yes, that is definitely a part of it but if you've heard Sha talk about NIL there's no guarantee that he would have matched the offers for Kadary or Dre if he had a $3.5mm NIL budget. He'd be more likely to give 10 players $350K each than any one player more than $500K.
So we're at a huge disadvantage with the budget available and Sha doesn't make it any better by putting self-imposed caps on what he's willing to pay out.
As I get older I've lost most patience for people or organizations who aren't committed to really doing what it takes to succeed. Same thing with the Giants. Nepotism abound for both Seton Hall and Big Blue. If your idea of succeeding is only done your way, and your way isn't working, adapt or die. Right now SHU is moving towards the latter.
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the last paragraph tells me that you know zero about a college athletic department and personalities. YOU would fire him next year, but fortunately you're a complete eunoch regarding anything SHU does.
and the Felt-Sha stuff is something someone just made up
Give our same roster to each of the other coaches in the league. Almost all of them would deliver a less embarrassing record. It's coaching too
Relax- no coach should have to be managed like a child by the AD. Also not like Shaheen has done anything here that would make him have this big bad ego that he clearly has.
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