Jersey Shore Nightclub Closes for 2020 Summer

[shufan1993]

Is this the right move or too early of a call? Will bars such as Bar Anticipation and Djais be open this summer?

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...-wont-open-this-summer-blame-coronavirus.html

 

[SPK145]

Stupid, too early to throw in the towel, we still have several weeks until Memorial Day.

 

[shufan1993]

Stupid, too early to throw in the towel, we still have several weeks until Memorial Day.

Several weeks? ***Checks Calendar*** 22 days until to memorial day. How's that several weeks?

 

[shu09]

Several weeks? ***Checks Calendar*** 22 days until to memorial day. How's that several weeks?

That's three weeks. Also known as several.

several
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adjective
being more than two but fewer than many in number or kind

 

[shufan1993]

That's three weeks. Also known as several.

several
[ sev-er-uh l, sev-ruh l ]
SEE SYNONYMS FOR several ON THESAURUS.COM
adjective
being more than two but fewer than many in number or kind

So a place like the osprey should have 1000+ people in their small building in 3 weeks. Got it. That's idiotic you think that's ok and all of those people going back to their homes and spreading to vulnerable people.

 

[SPK145]

So a place like the osprey should have 1000+ people in their small building in 3 weeks. Got it. That's idiotic you think that's ok and all of those people going back to their homes and spreading to vulnerable people.

The young people going to the Osprey are not a vulnerable population, we need to stop destroying our economy, we need to protect the vulnerable, and we need to stop scaring people in order to control them.

 

[shu09]

So a place like the osprey should have 1000+ people in their small building in 3 weeks. Got it. That's idiotic you think that's ok and all of those people going back to their homes and spreading to vulnerable people.

Why not? Most of them are young and not at great risk.

 

[shufan1993]

The young people going to the Osprey are not a vulnerable population, we need to stop destroying our economy, we need to protect the vulnerable, and we need scare people in order to control them.

Yep the below article says the Osprey has an above 1000+ capacity. Ok the people that go to the club might not be vulnerable. But some of these people can be infected and asymptomatic. Then the virus spreads in the building and these people then go back to their homes and spread the virus to vulnerable people such as parents and grand parents. This isn't worrisome to you?

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...-wont-open-this-summer-blame-coronavirus.html

 

[shufan1993]

Why not? Most of them are young and not at great risk.

Are you fine with asymptomatic people entering the club and then spreading to other people? Then these people go home and spread to vulnerable people they are living with?

 

[shu09]

Are you fine with asymptomatic people entering the club and then spreading to other people? Then these people go home and spread to vulnerable people they are living with?

Stop making that assumption. It's reckless and really not true in most cases.

 

[shufan1993]

Stop making that assumption. It's reckless and really not true in most cases.

I would be interested to see an article to show that's not true in most cases for the assumption that asymptomatic can spread the virus to vulnerable people. I'm open to learn about that. Can you send that article on here?

 

[SPK145]

Yep the below article says the Osprey has an above 1000+ capacity. Ok the people that go to the club might not be vulnerable. But some of these people can be infected and asymptomatic. Then the virus spreads in the building and these people then go back to their homes and spread the virus to vulnerable people such as parents and grand parents. This isn't worrisome to you?

Complete and utter panic nonsense, Baghdad Bob. We should just all kill ourselves if this is what life comes to because it isn't life. Take some precautions, protect the vulnerable, and live your life.

 

[shu09]

I would be interested to see an article to show that's not true in most cases for the assumption that asymptomatic can spread the virus to vulnerable people. I'm open to learn about that. Can you send that article on here?

You won't see one because that's not a story that fits the narrative of the media and their scare tactics.

 

[shufan1993]

You won't see one because that's not a story that fits the narrative of the media and their scare tactics.

I'm not talking about the media. Stop making everything about the media.

My ask is simple. Please show me a scientific study that shows that in most cases asymptomatic people will not spread the virus to other people including vulnerable population.

 

[shu09]

I'm not talking about the media. Stop making everything about the media.

My ask is simple. Please show me a scientific study that shows that in most cases asymptomatic people will not spread the virus to other people including vulnerable population.

I think the spring breakers in Florida was a great example. Despite all the panic, that didn't result in extensive transmission.

People need to stop assuming everyone out there has the virus and, more importantly, that they are actively spreading it. No doubt the virus is more widespread than simply the number of positive tests, but that also shows it isn't nearly as deadly as what you read.

And I've got news for you: It IS about the media. The media drives the conversation. The media drives the decisions of politicians. Media (and politicians) has unnecessarily scared people.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

You won't see one because that's not a story that fits the narrative of the media and their scare tactics.

The media does not impose scare or fear in modern usa you have versions of news, right wing, left wing, public broadcasting and local news, you have delusional people in your brain telling you this

 

[NYShoreGuy]

I think the spring breakers in Florida was a great example. Despite all the panic, that didn't result in extensive transmission.

People need to stop assuming everyone out there has the virus and, more importantly, that they are actively spreading it. No doubt the virus is more widespread than simply the number of positive tests, but that also shows it isn't nearly as deadly as what you read.

And I've got news for you: It IS about the media. The media drives the conversation. The media drives the decisions of politicians. Media (and politicians) has unnecessarily scared people.

You may not die from.it but you may have permanantly depleted systems in your body upon recovery

 

[NYShoreGuy]

The young people going to the Osprey are not a vulnerable population, we need to stop destroying our economy, we need to protect the vulnerable, and we need to stop scaring people in order to control them.

Spk you guaranteeing healthcare coverage for bartenders and servers at every establishment around? Here is what this crisis has proven you are only as healthy as people you interact with inside a social or work nexus who have the lowest scale of health coverage...and with companies cutting not furloughing workforce now more than ever health care coverage should not be tied to employment

 

[shu09]

Spk you guaranteeing healthcare coverage for bartenders and servers at every establishment around? Here is what this crisis has proven you are only as healthy as people you interact with inside a social or work nexus who have the lowest scale of health coverage...and with companies cutting not furloughing workforce now more than ever health care coverage should not be tied to employment

That has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

 

[silkcitypirate]

Yep the below article says the Osprey has an above 1000+ capacity. Ok the people that go to the club might not be vulnerable. But some of these people can be infected and asymptomatic. Then the virus spreads in the building and these people then go back to their homes and spread the virus to vulnerable people such as parents and grand parents. This isn't worrisome to you?

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...-wont-open-this-summer-blame-coronavirus.html

 

[silkcitypirate]

I was a bartender there for over 20 yrs. NO WAY could they operate because of crowd seize #1 also over 15 bartenders 4/5 barbacks 20 or so boundsers plus door personal and DJs and other employes management. To much of a risk.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Ah the Osprey, loved that place.

 

[HALL85]

One funny memory from DJs. Was there Fourth of July weekend during the bicentennial and some guy walks in and order is 200 beers for everyone. At the time they were five for a dollar, And they did fill his order.

 

[shufan1993]

Interesting and fair article. Maybe things will be back to a new normal soon.

https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/05/lets-open-the-shore-before-memorial-day-opinion.html

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Interesting and fair article. Maybe things will be back to a new normal soon.

https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/05/lets-open-the-shore-before-memorial-day-opinion.html

Just read a publishing from the nevada gaming commision...max at BJ table 3, max at craps table 6, max at poker room table 4...there is not going to be availability to be on the boardwalk to be in bars and restaurants like many here hope

 

[shufan1993]

Just read a publishing from the nevada gaming commision...max at BJ table 3, max at craps table 6, max at poker room table 4...there is not going to be availability to be on the boardwalk to be in bars and restaurants like many here hope

Yeah makes sense. Do you know what total capacity can enter these Nevada casinos at a time? 25/50%?

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Yeah makes sense. Do you know what total capacity can enter these Nevada casinos at a time? 25/50%?

Will people wear masks for the rest of our lives in Osprey and Djs?

 

[SPK145]

Just read a publishing from the nevada gaming commision...max at BJ table 3, max at craps table 6, max at poker room table 4...there is not going to be availability to be on the boardwalk to be in bars and restaurants like many here hope

Nobody is going to play at a poker table with a max of 4.

 

[SPK145]

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthc...in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Yeah makes sense. Do you know what total capacity can enter these Nevada casinos at a time? 25/50%?

Occupancy Limits In order to achieve the social distancing guidelines issued by federal, state, and local health authorities, Plans must limit a property’s occupancy to no more than fifty percent (50%) of the occupancy limit assigned to each gaming area of the property by local building and fire codes. Licensees’ Plans should detail how compliance with this occupancy limit reduction will be achieved, which may include, without limitation, head counts by security personnel, utilization of a licensee’s existing surveillance systems, and making use of a licensee’s slot accounting system to aid in monitoring the number of patrons on the casino floor.

 

[HALL85]

I have to laugh at some of the random and insane rules. In NJ, there is a limit to two golfers/hole (16 minute spacing), so 36 golfers on a 100 acre landmass. Meanwhile, airlines are not required to limit seating, so you can have 150 shoulder-to-shoulder in an encapsulated petrie dish. The best of all: In PA, one person to a golf cart, even if it's your spouse.

 

[The Crows Nest]

So a place like the osprey should have 1000+ people in their small building in 3 weeks. Got it. That's idiotic you think that's ok and all of those people going back to their homes and spreading to vulnerable people.

To me it's not the Memorial Day marker that is troubling...it is them shutting it down for the entire summer.

For me, it is much too early to make that call.

Then again, I dont know how they staff, how far in advance they need to plan inventory, food shipments, etc. so perhaps that plays a role (ie can they be ready to open with 30 days notice? 60? 90? the longer it is then maybe I get it).

In general, it is much too early to say the summer is a washout; as close as I am to this pandemic, I am going to remain optimistic that things will (continue in some cases) turn for the better....and we can all get back to "normal", even if that term and what it brings, is somewhat redefined.

Just hope there are no rebound breakouts over the next 2 to 3 weeks in states that are re-opening.

 

[HALL85]

To me it's not the Memorial Day marker that is troubling...it is them shutting it down for the entire summer.

For me, it is much too early to make that call.

Then again, I dont know how they staff, how far in advance they need to plan inventory, food shipments, etc. so perhaps that plays a role (ie can they be ready to open with 30 days notice? 60? 90? the longer it is then maybe I get it).

In general, it is much too early to say the summer is a washout; as close as I am to this pandemic, I am going to remain optimistic that things will (continue in some cases) turn for the better....and we can all get back to "normal", even if that term and what it brings, is somewhat redefined.

Just hope there are no rebound breakouts over the next 2 to 3 weeks in states that are re-opening.

No matter how you cut it, the Jersey Shore is going to be screwed this year. As you said, when/how do you staff up; the supply chain is already screwed up as we shifted to a total residential model with food, supplies, etc. Who is going to take a weekly rental not knowing with the restrictions are? So does that mean, there will be more day-trips? And what happens when that family from North Jersey or PA gets to the beach after a 2 hour drive to find out that it's at its limit and they have to turn around and go home? Total recipe for disaster.

And the only reason anyone is concerned about a rebound relates to the capacity of they hospitals. And they are now going full throttle on scheduling back elective surgeries, so obviously, they're not worried.

We normally do a week or long weekend at the beach plus some day trips. Not happening this year no matter what rules are in place. It's going to be a cluster and don't want to be anywhere near that.

 

[shu09]

If you want to go to the beach, probably best to take a trip to a free state like FL or SC unless our dictator dramatically reverses course.

 

[shufan1993]

 

[shufan1993]

 

[Merge]

I think the spring breakers in Florida was a great example. Despite all the panic, that didn't result in extensive transmission.

That's not really an accurate statement. We do not have a way to know what impact that had on transmission.

People need to stop assuming everyone out there has the virus and, more importantly, that they are actively spreading it. No doubt the virus is more widespread than simply the number of positive tests

Yes, we are definitely under reported but we don't really know the magnitude yet.
That site you linked to previously projects we are about 9x under reported which if true would place the r0 value to be a bit higher than initial estimates.

If that is true, then it is even more apparent that we did the right thing to decrease the velocity of the spread.
That site estimates almost every state had an r0 greater than 1 and the social distancing / stay at home orders reduced that number to be less than 1 in every state. I don't think some people appreciate what this could have done to our healthcare system and the panic that would have caused had we not shut down.

 

[shufan1993]

I know masks are good for wearing inside. But do they actually do anything when wearing them outdoors if you are not within 6 feet of a person? Also has it been absolutely proven this virus travels through the outdoor air?

 

[shu09]

I know masks are good for wearing inside. But do they actually do anything when wearing them outdoors if you are not within 6 feet of a person? Also has it been absolutely proven this virus travels through the outdoor air?

Masks don't do much outside. I don't have a problem with anyone who feels they need to wear one inside but wearing one outside is kind of silly.