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Maher/Trump Dinner

Great monologue, he makes great points and is very reasonable voice in a world filled with hate. A lot of what Trump says and does are distractions, but as Bill says he’s not getting the morning briefing so he is not getting the full story. None of us really knows exactly what’s happening around the world. One thing is for certain Joe Biden was not calling the shots during his administration so we really cannot blame him, whereas Trump has put himself front and center to take the blame if we fail as a country. He knows he has 12 months to change the direction of the country or be voted out of office at mid term elections. He’s governing at lightning speed like it or not and has a great chance to become one of our greatest presidents if he can drive inflation down and lower our deficit. The current administration is running like a business, people are being held accountable in the board room to get things done. He’s holding himself accountable as well to deliver what he told the American people. Pretty amazing he’s actually getting things done instead of just talking about them.
 
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Two old white loudmouth reactionaries from the New York metro area can get along, who could have predicted?

One thing is for certain Joe Biden was not calling the shots during his administration so we really cannot blame him, whereas Trump has put himself front and center to take the blame if we fail as a country. He knows he has 12 months to change the direction of the country or be voted out of office at mid term elections. He’s governing at lightning speed like it or not and has a great chance to become one of our greatest presidents if he can drive inflation down and lower our deficit. The current administration is running like a business, people are being held accountable in the board room to get things done. He’s holding himself accountable as well to deliver what he told the American people. Pretty amazing he’s actually getting things done instead of just talking about them.
We're talking about President Donald Trump here? Donald Trump has never held himself accountable for anything. The buck stops with literally anyone or anything else. I have no idea where you're getting this impression that he's selflessly putting himself on the line for the country. I'm pretty sure all of his reasons for wanting to be the president again were entirely self-serving (e.g., power, revenge on his enemies, enrich himself and his friends, keep his legal woes at bay, etc.).
 
Racist much? What’s Maher’s motivation to make those comments?
I should have noted that they are also both very wealthy.

Plenty of reasons for Maher to make these comments. 1) He is self-centered and craves the attention; 2) Like Trump, he loves to stick it to his perceived liberal adversaries; 3) it's mutually beneficial, as it gives both himself and Trump some crossover appeal with the other's audiences. Maybe they both really wanted to play nice for Kid Rock, who knows?

But let's not forget possibly the biggest reason Maher made these comments - it's because he agrees with Trump on many things now. He dedicated almost an entire paragraph of his long-winded monologue about this. I'm not sure who this is supposed to make uncomfortable, as you suggested in your first post. To me, it makes perfect sense that these guys would get along.
 
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Maher is a real Democrat. Level-headed, pragmatic, socially liberal. Nothing wrong with that. It's sad that the majority of that once proud party has morphed into a bunch of quacks over the last 10 years. Remember, Trump was a Democrat for most of his life. They probably have a lot more in common than most think.
 
I should have noted that they are also both very wealthy.

Plenty of reasons for Maher to make these comments. 1) He is self-centered and craves the attention; 2) Like Trump, he loves to stick it to his perceived liberal adversaries; 3) it's mutually beneficial, as it gives both himself and Trump some crossover appeal with the other's audiences. Maybe they both really wanted to play nice for Kid Rock, who knows?

But let's not forget possibly the biggest reason Maher made these comments - it's because he agrees with Trump on many things now. He dedicated almost an entire paragraph of his long-winded monologue about this. I'm not sure who this is supposed to make uncomfortable, as you suggested in your first post. To me, it makes perfect sense that these guys would get along.
Maher has his own brand and doesn’t need to play nice for ratings. Does he agree with Trump or is it that he disagrees with some of the Democratic strategies?

And, yes, there are people that were whining about the dinner before it even happened.
 
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Bill Maher is a real democrat. He considers himself liberal. Not a progressive. He can see issues from both sides. I don’t know where this idealogical purity comes from but it is the ruination of good government. I have met Trump on a couple of occasions. And he can be funny and charming. It’s what Maher saw. But that is his mask.

Maher stood up for his principles which is not easy to do face to face at the White House. And that is important. I don’t think there is anything wrong with what Maher did. He didn’t genuflect. But he didn’t have to rage. Nothing wrong with that.
 
Maher also uses history and facts in his monologues. Someone sent me the YouTube of his takedown of Chappell Roan regarding October 7th. Excellent piece.

Have never met Trump, but know a few people who have and they say the same thing you did (and Maher). Saint Barnabas Medical Center used to have their annual golf outing at Trump national for several years. Trump himself was involved personally with the hospital executives and very gracious about supporting it.
 
Two old white loudmouth reactionaries from the New York metro area can get along, who could have predicted?


We're talking about President Donald Trump here? Donald Trump has never held himself accountable for anything. The buck stops with literally anyone or anything else. I have no idea where you're getting this impression that he's selflessly putting himself on the line for the country. I'm pretty sure all of his reasons for wanting to be the president again were entirely self-serving (e.g., power, revenge on his enemies, enrich himself and his friends, keep his legal woes at bay, etc.).
It's rich to suggest that Trump wanted to run again to keep his legal woes at bay (???!!@?) The only reason he had those legal woes was that he went down the escalator at Trump Tower in 2015 and declared for the presidency. It's been ongoing ever since. Lawfare. I also like the way you framed your remark with "two old white loudmouths from New York". Can you be more typically trite (woke)?
 
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Maher also uses history and facts in his monologues. Someone sent me the YouTube of his takedown of Chappell Roan regarding October 7th. Excellent piece.
Well, I watched the video you referenced, and it was interesting how devoid of history and facts it was. No mention of the Nakba or Naksa. Bill seems to have a selective memory.

Very cynical for Mr. Religulous to support his argument with the Bible, as well. I guess it's okay to quote it when it works for you, but it's a work of fiction otherwise.

It mostly boiled down to "Hamas would throw you off a roof," which is a common talking point. It's a variation of "pinkwashing," suggesting Israel's stance on LGBT issues (or Hamas's retrograde views) somehow cancels out everything else Israel does.

It's crazy that, despite both Republicans and Democrats fully supporting Israel while it perpetrates a genocide and the western media refusing to talk about it at all, Israel's support among Americans is still collapsing.

 
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It's rich to suggest that Trump wanted to run again to keep his legal woes at bay (???!!@?) The only reason he had those legal woes was that he went down the escalator at Trump Tower in 2015 and declared for the presidency. It's been ongoing ever since. Lawfare. I also like the way you framed your remark with "two old white loudmouths from New York". Can you be more typically trite (woke)?
I guess I didn't realize Trump going down the escalator in 2015 caused him to rape E. Jean Carroll twenty years earlier. Or cheat on his wife and then pay the woman he slept with hush money and subsequently falsified business records to cover it up.

A unique point of view for sure.
 
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I guess I didn't realize Trump going down the escalator in 2015 caused him to rape E. Jean Carroll twenty years earlier. Or cheat on his wife and then pay the woman he slept with hush money and subsequently falsified business records to cover it up.

A unique point of view for sure.
swing and a whiff
 
Two old white loudmouth reactionaries from the New York metro area can get along, who could have predicted?


We're talking about President Donald Trump here? Donald Trump has never held himself accountable for anything. The buck stops with literally anyone or anything else. I have no idea where you're getting this impression that he's selflessly putting himself on the line for the country. I'm pretty sure all of his reasons for wanting to be the president again were entirely self-serving (e.g., power, revenge on his enemies, enrich himself and his friends, keep his legal woes at bay, etc.).
So funny you think I'm white because I have a Vince Lombardi moniker, no black person would use a white legendary coach as a moniker right? Blacks check a certain box for you. That my friend is the definition of racism. Bill Maher is absolutely right, comments like that really turn people off. I could be any nationality, you don't even know me but are making assumptions. You ain't black if you support Trump. Think about what you are saying.
 
Bill Maher is a real democrat. He considers himself liberal. Not a progressive. He can see issues from both sides. I don’t know where this idealogical purity comes from but it is the ruination of good government. I have met Trump on a couple of occasions. And he can be funny and charming. It’s what Maher saw. But that is his mask.

Maher stood up for his principles which is not easy to do face to face at the White House. And that is important. I don’t think there is anything wrong with what Maher did. He didn’t genuflect. But he didn’t have to rage. Nothing wrong with that.
Trump the business man was known for taking 90 days to pay and often times short paying invoices. I won some business at his casino but heard the terms and walked away. He can be a ruthless negotiator. However, my Aunt met him outside of one of his casinos in AC. She went up to him with my uncle and Trump spent a half hour and gave them both a tour. He could not have been nicer. Do I agree with everything he does no, but he is actively trying to correct some problems yes. We are not all going to agree on every outcome, but if they can cut waste and reverse spending to manageable levels that would be a good thing. If he fails he will be voted out of office, better to try and fail then not to try at all. You are exactly right in your assessment.
 
Well, I watched the video you referenced, and it was interesting how devoid of history and facts it was. No mention of the Nakba or Naksa. Bill seems to have a selective memory.

Very cynical for Mr. Religulous to support his argument with the Bible, as well. I guess it's okay to quote it when it works for you, but it's a work of fiction otherwise.

It mostly boiled down to "Hamas would throw you off a roof," which is a common talking point. It's a variation of "pinkwashing," suggesting Israel's stance on LGBT issues (or Hamas's retrograde views) somehow cancels out everything else Israel does.

It's crazy that, despite both Republicans and Democrats fully supporting Israel while it perpetrates a genocide and the western media refusing to talk about it at all, Israel's support among Americans is still collapsing.

I don't understand your view that what Israel is doing is genocide especially considering the entire history. How many times did the Arab and Palestinians attack Israel in a war? Israel has won every time, yet the Palestinians think no consequences should attach to that. Lest not forget the constant terrorist attacks from Munich 1972 Olympics to suicide bombers. The other thing is that Clinton had a great deal on the table for Palestine that would give Palestinians 90% of the land that they wanted. Yet Arafat said no. It was at that point I knew that the Palestinian people never wanted to coexist with Israel. Then finally, the people of Gaza elected a terrorist group to represent them a s government.

That same terrorist group hides behind innocent people as a shield. Hamas has purposely put Israel in a no win position. If they truly want to destroy Hamas, as I am sure you will even admit that is justified, innocent people will die by the thousands. Otherwise, Hamas flourishes and Israeli lives are killed and tortured. Hamas is at more at fault than the Israelis or the innocent Palestinans that die.

Now, I think Netanyahu is a bad guy and corrupt. And needs to go. But this narrative of supporting Hamas and the Palestinian people who are anti-American makes no sense to me. The demonstrations of pro-Palestinian after the terroristic attacks of October 7, is absolutely vile to see in this country.

As an aside, this colonizer argument of progressives is absolutely ridiculous. Oh the poor Aztecs who were a peaceful group of natives were slaughtered by the white man. No, the Aztecs were ruthless killers who sacrificed thousands for their gods and brutalized neighboring tribes. How do you think 500 Spaniards defeated a million people? The surrounding tribes hated the Aztec brutality so they joined Cortez. How did any group become the dominant tribe? It is because they killed and conquered other tribes. That is human nature.
 
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Trump the business man was known for taking 90 days to pay and often times short paying invoices. I won some business at his casino but heard the terms and walked away. He can be a ruthless negotiator. However, my Aunt met him outside of one of his casinos in AC. She went up to him with my uncle and Trump spent a half hour and gave them both a tour. He could not have been nicer. Do I agree with everything he does no, but he is actively trying to correct some problems yes. We are not all going to agree on every outcome, but if they can cut waste and reverse spending to manageable levels that would be a good thing. If he fails he will be voted out of office, better to try and fail then not to try at all. You are exactly right in your assessment.
No, Trump is known not to pay his contractual obligations. He would not work with big contractors bu preferred smaller contractors. Why? because he refused to pay the contract price and offered 50 or 60 cents on the dollar. He knew these contractors did not have the money or time to litigate it in court without going bankrupt. That is his real art of negotiation. It is called breaking contracts and using your wealth as a weapon in litigation.

Also, you think it is better to try and fail with the economy? He is dangerously close to wrecking an economy with policies that most experts are against and have failed in the past. ITs just out right stupid.
 
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Well, I watched the video you referenced, and it was interesting how devoid of history and facts it was. No mention of the Nakba or Naksa. Bill seems to have a selective memory.

Very cynical for Mr. Religulous to support his argument with the Bible, as well. I guess it's okay to quote it when it works for you, but it's a work of fiction otherwise.

It mostly boiled down to "Hamas would throw you off a roof," which is a common talking point. It's a variation of "pinkwashing," suggesting Israel's stance on LGBT issues (or Hamas's retrograde views) somehow cancels out everything else Israel does.

It's crazy that, despite both Republicans and Democrats fully supporting Israel while it perpetrates a genocide and the western media refusing to talk about it at all, Israel's support among Americans is still collapsing.

What are Americans views on Hamas? Do you think they are better than Israel?
 
I don't understand your view that what Israel is doing is genocide especially considering the entire history. How many times did the Arab and Palestinians attack Israel in a war? Israel has won every time, yet the Palestinians think no consequences should attach to that. Lest not forget the constant terrorist attacks from Munich 1972 Olympics to suicide bombers. The other thing is that Clinton had a great deal on the table for Palestine that would give Palestinians 90% of the land that they wanted. Yet Arafat said no. It was at that point I knew that the Palestinian people never wanted to coexist with Israel. Then finally, the people of Gaza elected a terrorist group to represent them a s government.
Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, a UN special committee and various UN experts, the International Criminal Court, the International Court of Justice, and a general consensus of genocide scholars say it's a genocide.

That same terrorist group hides behind innocent people as a shield. Hamas has purposely put Israel in a no win position. If they truly want to destroy Hamas, as I am sure you will even admit that is justified, innocent people will die by the thousands. Otherwise, Hamas flourishes and Israeli lives are killed and tortured. Hamas is at more at fault than the Israelis or the innocent Palestinans that die.
If you're concerned with Hamas using innocent people as human shields, you should know that the IDF uses Palestinians as human shields as a matter of policy. It's called the "Mosquito Protocol."


A former IDF soldier said last month that the practice is institutionalized and almost every IDF platoon has a “a sub-army of slaves." That piece originally appeared in Haaretz (Israeli media does a much better job covering this than western journalists), but it's behind a paywall so here is a summarized version.


You have no concern about the completely asymmetric nature of the violence perpetrated between the government of Israel and Palestinians as you internalize media Freudian slips (you describe the killing and torturing of Israeli lives, whereas Palestinians simply "die.")

Israel broke the ceasefire and have continued blocking humanitarian aid into the Gaza strip while more atrocities happen every day. Fifteen paramedics were executed and buried in a mass grave with their crushed ambulance last month and hardly anyone in the western news media could be bothered to give a damn.

Now, I think Netanyahu is a bad guy and corrupt. And needs to go. But this narrative of supporting Hamas and the Palestinian people who are anti-American makes no sense to me. The demonstrations of pro-Palestinian after the terroristic attacks of October 7, is absolutely vile to see in this country.
"Supporting Hamas and the Palestinian people..." The vast majority of people in the U.S. are protesting a genocide that their government is financing and fully backing on behalf of a corrupt ethnostate, and compassion for innocent people being massacred. They're not supporting Hamas. Conflating the two groups as one in the same is just wrong.

You know who has supported Hamas? Benjamin Netanyahu and his Likud Party. They propped up Hamas to kneecap the Palestinian Authority and prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state. Hamas as it exists today wouldn't have happened without Israel's support.


As an aside, this colonizer argument of progressives is absolutely ridiculous. Oh the poor Aztecs who were a peaceful group of natives were slaughtered by the white man. No, the Aztecs were ruthless killers who sacrificed thousands for their gods and brutalized neighboring tribes. How do you think 500 Spaniards defeated a million people? The surrounding tribes hated the Aztec brutality so they joined Cortez. How did any group become the dominant tribe? It is because they killed and conquered other tribes. That is human nature.
I don't even know what to make of this argument. You started off saying that you don't understand why I think Israel is committing a genocide, and then you bring up an example from history of another civilization whose existence was annihilated. What is the purpose of this example? To excuse what Israel is doing? This seems like an odd example to pick for the "Israel is not doing a genocide" argument.

What are Americans views on Hamas? Do you think they are better than Israel?
I think you are unironically doing the "Do you condemn Hamas?" meme.
 
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You posted a survey about what Americans think of Israel to prove your point. It’s fair to ask the same question about Hamas, but you deflect.
 
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No, Trump is known not to pay his contractual obligations. He would not work with big contractors bu preferred smaller contractors. Why? because he refused to pay the contract price and offered 50 or 60 cents on the dollar. He knew these contractors did not have the money or time to litigate it in court without going bankrupt. That is his real art of negotiation. It is called breaking contracts and using your wealth as a weapon in litigation.

Also, you think it is better to try and fail with the economy? He is dangerously close to wrecking an economy with policies that most experts are against and have failed in the past. ITs just out right stupid.
IMHO yes its better to try and clean up waste, fraud and failure in the government. Loved what Clinton did in the 90's balancing our budget but we have gone off a cliff since then. Taking on China is absolutely necessary at this point and Trump is the best guy to do that. We 100% need to make our pharma in the USA, we 100% need to make chips and critical items in the USA. The global economy idea was a good one that has gone to far. If Trump can start driving our deficit down we will all be better off. We are the world's biggest customer, we need to start acting like it. We fail everyone fails. Look I know this is hard but we all need to take a step back and give him a chance, a year from now we can always vote Dems back into office and open the border back up and start stealing more money.
 
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Also need to look at these decisions from a national security perspective. Did we not learn from the pandemic and cyber attacks?

- Need to produce more sophisticated chips here.
- Need to be at the forefront in AI.
- Need to have a vibrant steel industry.
- Need to be at the forefront in weaponry.
- Need to be as energy independent as possible.
 
Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, a UN special committee and various UN experts, the International Criminal Court, the International Court of Justice, and a general consensus of genocide scholars say it's a genocide.


If you're concerned with Hamas using innocent people as human shields, you should know that the IDF uses Palestinians as human shields as a matter of policy. It's called the "Mosquito Protocol."


A former IDF soldier said last month that the practice is institutionalized and almost every IDF platoon has a “a sub-army of slaves." That piece originally appeared in Haaretz (Israeli media does a much better job covering this than western journalists), but it's behind a paywall so here is a summarized version.


You have no concern about the completely asymmetric nature of the violence perpetrated between the government of Israel and Palestinians as you internalize media Freudian slips (you describe the killing and torturing of Israeli lives, whereas Palestinians simply "die.")

Israel broke the ceasefire and have continued blocking humanitarian aid into the Gaza strip while more atrocities happen every day. Fifteen paramedics were executed and buried in a mass grave with their crushed ambulance last month and hardly anyone in the western news media could be bothered to give a damn.


"Supporting Hamas and the Palestinian people..." The vast majority of people in the U.S. are protesting a genocide that their government is financing and fully backing on behalf of a corrupt ethnostate, and compassion for innocent people being massacred. They're not supporting Hamas. Conflating the two groups as one in the same is just wrong.

You know who has supported Hamas? Benjamin Netanyahu and his Likud Party. They propped up Hamas to kneecap the Palestinian Authority and prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state. Hamas as it exists today wouldn't have happened without Israel's support.



I don't even know what to make of this argument. You started off saying that you don't understand why I think Israel is committing a genocide, and then you bring up an example from history of another civilization whose existence was annihilated. What is the purpose of this example? To excuse what Israel is doing? This seems like an odd example to pick for the "Israel is not doing a genocide" argument.


I think you are unironically doing the "Do you condemn Hamas?" meme.
The UN and Amnesty are a joke. Your inability to think for yourself is apparent. If Israel wanted to genocide anybody they would have done so. Do you also think the allies committed genocide against Germany and Japan?
 
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Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, a UN special committee and various UN experts, the International Criminal Court, the International Court of Justice, and a general consensus of genocide scholars say it's a genocide.


If you're concerned with Hamas using innocent people as human shields, you should know that the IDF uses Palestinians as human shields as a matter of policy. It's called the "Mosquito Protocol."


A former IDF soldier said last month that the practice is institutionalized and almost every IDF platoon has a “a sub-army of slaves." That piece originally appeared in Haaretz (Israeli media does a much better job covering this than western journalists), but it's behind a paywall so here is a summarized version.


You have no concern about the completely asymmetric nature of the violence perpetrated between the government of Israel and Palestinians as you internalize media Freudian slips (you describe the killing and torturing of Israeli lives, whereas Palestinians simply "die.")

Israel broke the ceasefire and have continued blocking humanitarian aid into the Gaza strip while more atrocities happen every day. Fifteen paramedics were executed and buried in a mass grave with their crushed ambulance last month and hardly anyone in the western news media could be bothered to give a damn.


"Supporting Hamas and the Palestinian people..." The vast majority of people in the U.S. are protesting a genocide that their government is financing and fully backing on behalf of a corrupt ethnostate, and compassion for innocent people being massacred. They're not supporting Hamas. Conflating the two groups as one in the same is just wrong.

You know who has supported Hamas? Benjamin Netanyahu and his Likud Party. They propped up Hamas to kneecap the Palestinian Authority and prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state. Hamas as it exists today wouldn't have happened without Israel's support.



I don't even know what to make of this argument. You started off saying that you don't understand why I think Israel is committing a genocide, and then you bring up an example from history of another civilization whose existence was annihilated. What is the purpose of this example? To excuse what Israel is doing? This seems like an odd example to pick for the "Israel is not doing a genocide" argument.


I think you are unironically doing the "Do you condemn Hamas?" meme.

What was October 7, 2023 to you?
 
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