You don't know that, just like those who have a 2020 Covid adjusted final four banner in their den have no idea what might have been.
Note: Wish Louie made it to the sweet 16. But we lost to Duke in the 2nd Round.
lol, senior moment... Tommy...
Has anyone ever pulled back the curtain on what those “Programmatic Issues” truly were?
It was nothing more than everyone with money wanted him gone after Duke and UConn beat us by 50 each. How else could we fire a guy who made the tournament 2 times in 3 years and not look like complete jackasses. The year before the only big loss was Barrett. JR stepping into a bigger role. Cerasoli a magician with the ball in his hands. And then Allen left Falls open for 3 in the big east opener and season went down the toilet from there. High expectations downhill and 2 50 point losses.
And they had to get Quinlan to actually do it and come up with the term “Programmatic Issues” .
"Lesser" Providence team? The one that won the BET after beating us?
But that’s the point some are trying to make. He did actually have to for his first 3 seasons.
I would think the same latitude should be given if they started at the same starting points. Do you really think Sha and Willard started at the same starting points? Do we have any players get reviewed by the county with carrying a gun like Willard was left with in Theodore? Do we have any players with the history of Pope we need to watch. I'm all for same latitude, but because of Willard, Sha can focus on basketball all day every day. Willard didn't get that luxury when he started. Let's be fair nobody here had any real latitude for Willard. The administration did. So people giving it to Sha early in year 2 is no different than Willard would have gotten excpet I think he started 15-2 and then the streak hit. But if he was 0-4 vs power conference teams he would've been ripped here year 2 as well.
And I think we lost to Duke by 50, like we lost to Uconn by 50 that year. Or was that a different Duke game.
2005-2006, we beat manhattan and went to Duke and were destroyed. I went to the next game I think vs Marist and on my walk up the steps of CAA I remember 2 guys talking saying he has no shot at being our coach next season. Later we got hot and I think we were on a roll when UConn came to town and handed us our 2nd 50 point loss that year.
If Pope, Theodore, Keon Lawrence, name anyone you want was such a black eye on the university, why didn’t Seton Hall and Willard cut bait from day 1 and just work solely on the image of the team / program and start fresh. Yes it would have been even uglier than it was, but it would have fit the narrative a lot better.
You don't cut bait because this is still a results driven business. You try and suck it up for as long as you can. He did until he had enough of Jamel and Keon.
So once Willard fixed the issues with image, how come Seton Hall wasn’t able to get back on track within the NJ recruiting circles? How come his only top 100 ranked recruit was also dealing with a knee injury?
Because recruiting came down to money. Naz Reid went to play for Will Wade. Same reason Kyle Anderson didn't come to SHU. It's comical people joke about Antigua and Tiny to get players, but everyone else was doing the same thing. That's how you landed players and we didn't have the bags of cash to compete with that year in year out.
Which corrections facility did Gonzo leave for Willard. Pitino, Cooley, and even Willard at MD have to develop their own relationships, but now the game is about money. So pipeline or no pipeline, recruits don't care. Show me the money. That's all that matters. Pipeline LOL. But if you want a pipeline Sha didn't help build a pipeline in 8 years here?
He went after 4 year guys, not 1 and dones and he's at a school that can afford to keep them when they blow up to be stars. Completely different situation. That's not difficult to understand. Seton Hall wasn't keeping Myles Powell in this new system.
Anytime positives are brought up, you post the negatives. ALWAYS. When asked twice to post the positives, which you said you could simply do, you wouldn't. Says a lot.
Have you read any of my posts. I've always said he's the 2nd best coach of the last 70 years. We're in 2024, so essentially from 1954 on in case math is not your thing.
And I will ALWAYS continue to do so when other posts just comment on one side of the story and glorify the guy.
Can’t imagine they get a bid the way they’re going. 3 guys every night doing the work. Only positive for them is Long is 5 for his last 6 from deep. Young man might crack the starting lineup.
20 years ago...how many instances in the old format of the tournament did a team play last game on thurs night then the first game of the day on saturday? I believe sweet hit an opening 3 and then Duke outscored shu 90 to 59
All I ever heard was he wasn’t very outgoing and didn’t want to do the handshaking events. But it’s not like Willard liked it so much either. It was strange.
Agree with your last paragraph. I would submit that Willard's first three years at SHU would have yielded similar numbers in the "NBE." My opinion of course, who knows?
We had fans openly rooting against us because they wanted Orr gone and were hoping we would hire Gonzalez. I remember the big comeback win at CAA over St. John's (the game Gause scored an own goal) and there were fans who were very upset we snatch a win from the jaws of defeat.
It was a lot harder to do that in 2010 than it is in 2024.
Orr (RIP) was an uncomfortable fit bc he didn’t want to do certain things, he didn’t kiss rings, and some players had to be suspended. He was a good coach but it’s more than coaching.
Was it Sweet or the Sheriff? Either way, we did lead 3-0 and the shooter wagged his tongue in JJ Redick's face, I believe. One shining moment.
Orr wasn't "fired." His contract expired.
