That a different topic. I am not arguing it from a political perspective. My point is that if there's an aspect of your job that has a large impact on whether you are successful at your job, its probably wise to keep clear from anything that may alienate those relationship. If CK wanted to be an NFL QB, he probably shouldn't have kneeled. A sales rep who pedals vaccines, probably shouldn't be photographed leading an anti-vax rally. If Chistie wanted to be president, he probably shouldn't have hugged Obama. and so on.
If you don't think pandering is part of being a college sports coach in 2020, I'm not sure what world you have been living in. Do you think Bill Self wore a gold chain and rapped with Snoop Dogg because he likes the music and identifies with the culture?
Mike Gundy can do and say whatever he wants. However, he (and everyone else) is at the mercy of the marketplace of ideas. The gift and curse of living in a free country. Mike aligned himself with political views that are overwhelmingly unpopular in his chosen profession. The marketplace of ideas reacted and Mike changed his mind. Democracy at work.
Absolutely. I hope that’s your view if democracy says we’re not donating to the school. Not that they have racist alums.
Correct. They lie all the time in the recruiting process. Do you think every salesperson you’ve encountered was 100% truthful, or maybe have bended the truth to create a relationship and close a sale.
Big difference between pandering and having fun and relating to the kids. Do you think Kevin panders to all of his players? We all know politicians shamelessly suck up to every constituent, but you have a warped view of leadership.
The important thing is Gundy now understands the situation, reached out to his team and is making changes. That is the definition of leadership. He is a man.
Do you feel Gundy is pandering or has his opinion changed at the snap of a finger and he’s now relating to his kids. Or did he realize that His prior position would make it difficult to walk into a inner city home and convince a minority athlete to play for him.
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I'm sure he's doing what the school told him he has to do. Universities have become an environment for brain washing kids into thinking one way, the liberal way, it's why I don't donate to my university, aside from The basketball program. The guy wants to coach football, and is doing what he has to in order to do what he loves. Add it to the list of dealing with dirtbags parents and handlers who all think they know best.
You didn't ask me and I don't know the answer, so I'll answer anyway. I'd guess he's conservative or even far right leaning when it suits him (like when he's crushing beers with his fishing buddies), but doesn't have any real conviction and is unwilling to make personal sacrifices for his political views. Just like the football players who didn't say anything when it was unpopular to support Kaepernick.
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You shouldn't have to sacrifice your job for a political view, which again wearing a t shirt to a fishing trip isn't some huge political endorsement. If you saw the statement from the AD when this happened his job may have been on the line.
His contract very much in his favor...i dont believe school admin forced him into anything, his players being dissapointed is another story
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You don't think the higher ups told him you're gonna do X, Y and Z to keep your job? Please
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If Gundy had said I don't tell Chuba what music he can listen to, and Chuba won't tell me what shirts I can wear, he'd be labeled a racist. It was his only option to keep his job at his alum.
Again freedom and freedom from consequences are two seperate items...you and shu09 should do a lot of research on what is happening in social media and how that impacts a job status. I have been consistent on this...for wearing that shirt he should not be fired but it directly correlates to his players and knowing what one personality at OAN has said in past about BLM. Having a job is much more than the great xs and os one can deploy at it to be good for themselves and their employer.
People lose jobs for workplace verbal disparaging comments at others, harrasment, threats. Should an employer look beyond what a POS someone is to their peers, direct reports, other staff just because they are mighty good for a company?
As an example if a black teacher is at a suburban school where the students are caucasuans and asians and they hypoethically had a facebook or Twitter where in the past they made references to brat crackers and slant eyes kids, there sure as hell would be a price to pay.
Go look at what has been reported with his contract he can essentially tell his AD to F off and he cant be fired for that.
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You're equating a t shirt to Gundy basically using the N word. It's such a terrible comparison. It's a shirt if a news network, let's not make it more. Answer this directly is a CNN shirt okay to wear?
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Losing a job for a shirt, c'mon man. Gundy didn't disparage anyone, or call anyone a racial slur. He wore a ****ing shirt on a boat. People need to live and let live. His shirt didn't shoot anyone. Imagine people freaking out about a shirt while children are abused, kids kill kids in the thousands and 40 million Americans are out of jobs.
If I need surgery I want the best doctor in the world. I don’t care what he or she had on Twitter about white, black, Asians as long as he or she is professional at work. People are too damn sensitive. I say the same about all jobs.
God forbid anyone on here get covid, but if anyone does which person here is going to ask the doctor can I see your Twitter before you help me?
His job wasn't on the line. Oklahoma State is a government entity. It can't constitutionally fire employees for political opinions they express as private citizens (like a coach on a fishing trip).
Although, if it is your opinion that employees should never have to sacrifice their jobs for their political opinions (which I don't agree with), I'd expect you to apply the same standard to Colin Kaepernick.
His contract here
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjANegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1N_KVF_oXLkRxC72Zz4QV0
I think it is a stretch if item 9 under termination could have been invoked for the t shirt
Well i would say you are tone deaf as F*ck then...your doctor circumstance is different than company-employee dynamic and i dont think it plays well as a retort to what i wrote..you are choosing an elective procedure by an individual that can be deemed a specialist for having it done...it isnt about sensitivity it is about an employer enabling/condoning a person they pay for a specific set of tasks to be done that likely clash with corporate high ground of being an inclusive company...remember you can think a lot of things in your brain, you dont have to divulge it to the masses
For example say there was a company that is very outgoing with gay and lesbian community and a worker at that company has a facebook profile that says employer so and so job title x and they post a rant on facebook saying they hate all queers and dykes and it comes to the attention of that employer, that employee wont be on payroll for more than another day
very good. Let’s get rid of the best teachers in the world if they posted something stupid on twitter. The kids win big time.
Not to be an ass but not all surgeries are elective
Another false equivalency. A teacher hurling racially tinged insults towards kids is far different than wearing a t-shirt with a network logo on it.
And to your other question, yes, so long as there is nothing illegal, a company can and sometimes does look beyond what a "POS" someone is because they are good for the company. You are there to do a job, not to be friends with everyone.
I don't think Gundy would be fired for his political views or his t-shirt. I think he would get fired for alienating his customer base (in this case minority athletes) that he largely needs to be successful. If he had proven he could win at a high level with 85 white players, or at least convince his bosses he could, they probably could care less if he supports OAN. They don't care about his views or wardrobe, they care about the # of wins they'll lose because of players leaving, or choosing not to play for him.
I will share a story about my last full time employer.
A complaint was made against me by a female colleague which I believe I had good relations with for being on a specific sports magazine website and a pop up banner ad for that brand's swimsuit edition came up which I closed out immediately because I was seeking to find a specific work needed item that was posted earlier in the day.
2 days after this I was called to HR which was a group of 5 and to see the VP who is the lead. Asked me do I know why I am here. I said.no disrepect but I dont know. So instead of telling me why, he has loaded up the digital PDF of the company handbook and has the section of non-verbal harrassment pulled up. I explained where I was, what site I was on and what I was doing etc. This VP was a robot so we adjourned with a friendly verbal warning about knowing my enviroment etc.
2 weeks from this time, the Yankees Wives and Girlfriends had some.in season gala where they had an evening gown affair. NY Post page Six had a write up and an assortment of red carpet pics in their online edition. Unbeknownst to me at that time is that a tracing software had been deployed for my domain sign in at the company. Robot VP deemed my act to be in violation of our last meeting. So I was called in again, he had the page six items printed and he asked me what I see here. I said I see a group of wives and gilfriends out in formal attire for a good cause in a story that was part of Show xyz 2 weeks ago that was disussed by two of our on air talent. He then went on about if I consider this appropriate for our workplace. I basically said this publication was a source of content and I am sure many other of my male colleagues are on sites that you would deem equal or worse than the two citations you have me on. I was dismissed from.the meeting as HR robot had nothing further to speak about and I was left alone on episodes like this going forward.
A complaint was made against me by a female colleague which I believe I had good relations with for being on a specific sports magazine website and a pop up banner ad for that brand's swimsuit edition came up which I closed out immediately because I was seeking to find a specific work needed item that was posted earlier in the day.
2 days after this I was called to HR which was a group of 5 and to see the VP who is the lead. Asked me do I know why I am here. I said.no disrepect but I dont know. So instead of telling me why, he has loaded up the digital PDF of the company handbook and has the section of non-verbal harrassment pulled up. I explained where I was, what site I was on and what I was doing etc. This VP was a robot so we adjourned with a friendly verbal warning about knowing my enviroment etc.
2 weeks from this time, the Yankees Wives and Girlfriends had some.in season gala where they had an evening gown affair. NY Post page Six had a write up and an assortment of red carpet pics in their online edition. Unbeknownst to me at that time is that a tracing software had been deployed for my domain sign in at the company. Robot VP deemed my act to be in violation of our last meeting. So I was called in again, he had the page six items printed and he asked me what I see here. I said I see a group of wives and gilfriends out in formal attire for a good cause in a story that was part of Show xyz 2 weeks ago that was disussed by two of our on air talent. He then went on about if I consider this appropriate for our workplace. I basically said this publication was a source of content and I am sure many other of my male colleagues are on sites that you would deem equal or worse than the two citations you have me on. I was dismissed from.the meeting as HR robot had nothing further to speak about and I was left alone on episodes like this going forward.
My example the teacher did not have a verbal hurling of insults this was on a social media platform, where this teacher is willingly putting out identity, employer and job
I agree people are at jobs to be productive towards their career ambitions and for that employer and do not have to be social butterflies to others...however most places are now seeking a signature of company handbook compliance.
This is why we counsel our kids to avoid posting anything on social media that has public view with anything that might be misconstrued. It is only going to get worse and if you think that companies don't search your social media when they are hiring you, you are mistaken. Look at this thread...crazy. Initials of a media network sets people off....smh.
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Gundy didn't make a political statement number 1, and number 2 he was not at his place of employment. Kaepernick was free to protest whatever he wanted outside of work, he performed his temper tantrums at his place of employment.
Hall85, give context to that...OAN is very right media platform, that of itself is their platform prerogative. They will have a fan base and detractors for that. It is what a personality who is front facing on OAN has put out in past that BLM is a farce that was the impetus to all of this.
CNN dismissed Kathy Griffin
Comcast parted with Lauer
CBS parted with Rose
The NFL has a personal conduct policy for all players and.other workforce...it is about how one conducts themselves live and through social media
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First rule of work, don't look at smut on your computer.
You are a devoted clown of the highest regard. There is a far difference for being on a sports media site that at one time had a swimsuit platform and going on pornhub.com
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You must be a creep of the first class looking at smut with a lady around in the office.
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Buffoonery is surfing porn on a work computer and then playing victim lol.
You are conflating the initials of a media outlet with the behavior of those that worked for those outlets and did stuff worthy of getting canned. Apples and Oranges. Wearing a FOX, CNN, OAN, MSNBC tee shirt...big deal...if that triggers someone, they need to get a dose of reality.
What would possess someone (other than an OAN employee) to wear an OAN shirt, other than to announce his alignment with their political views? Do you think he wore the shirt because he liked the color? Was he trying to get ahead of the curve on some new fashion trend?
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I wear t shirts all the time that have no meaning to me. T shirts of many different colleges, does that mean I support them in sports? No, I wear it cause it's hanging in my closet. I wear an Outkick the Coverage t shirt all the time, do I endorse everything Clay Travis says? No my friend gave me the shirt and it's comfortable.
You really put great thought into a t shirt?
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