Most Americans now agree with Colin Kaepernick’s anthem protest

[SHUHoopsFan]

Maybe I’m misguided and wrong here but cops aren’t perfect but they’re far from the root of the problem. All of the time spent on police brutality takes the focus away from the core problem that politicians federally and locally have failed the African American communities. Their policies have killed 1,000-10,000 times more African Americans than the police have. So Chuck and Nancy and every other politician can kneel for 8:46 and make everyone feel good but they do nothing to fix the cities, the communities, the schools, etc.

 

[jcalz88]

They are gone now. But I was close to these men, especially Dad. of course. Union men, brought up as Democrats who became Reagan Republicans and loved his patriotism.
I think they would be disappointed. I am for sure.

thank you for taking the time to answer and thank you for there service.

 

[setoniansource]

Translation...I think I make a lot of money so I can throw a temper tantrum any time I want and you should listen to me because I think I’m always right and you should too.

How much money would you be making if you threw these temper tantrums at work? Do they pay you to do a job or protest? I don’t know many companies who would be too tolerant of paying you to protest instead of doing your job. You’d be gone if you worked for me and pulled that crap.

Ok you’ve said temper tantrums in basically every response you’ve had and it’s enough. You may not agree with kneeling, you may not agree with the protests but to call them temper tantrums is incredibly disrespectful and lacks any bit of understanding of what these issues are and how important they are to many. I am respectfully asking you to stop calling them that.

 

[jcalz88]

Translation...I think I make a lot of money so I can throw a temper tantrum any time I want and you should listen to me because I think I’m always right and you should too.

How much money would you be making if you threw these temper tantrums at work? Do they pay you to do a job or protest? I don’t know many companies who would be too tolerant of paying you to protest instead of doing your job. You’d be gone if you worked for me and pulled that crap.

Well the good thing is I don’t work for you. I Am my own boss.

Also it’s kind of my Job to fight for the rights of the tens of thousands of clients we work for.

But again the fact is you see this as a temper tantrum it’s not. It’s someone taking a knee silently for a few minutes then standing up and doing there job.

Where does it say in there job description they must stand and salute the flag??

Btw the nfl their employer is now allowing them to protest, so what’s your excuse now?

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Well the good thing is I don’t work for you. I Am my own boss.

Also it’s kind of my Job to fight for the rights of the tens of thousands of clients we work for.

But again the fact is you see this as a temper tantrum it’s not. It’s someone taking a knee silently for a few minutes then standing up and doing there job.

Where does it say in there job description they must stand and salute the flag??

Btw the nfl their employer is now allowing them to protest, so what’s your excuse now?

The time they’re doing it is not their personal time. As long as the employer says ok, they can. The question is how will the consumer respond. The NFL can afford to lose 20-50% of their fan base and be okay. Will that happen? I don’t know but I highly doubt it. I’m curious how many big donors in the SEC will get turned off by it if it happens there.

 

[jcalz88]

That’s the problem, they shouldn’t be role models, they’re just athletes playing a kid’s game, but the jocksniffers want them to be to cover up their own.

That is completely unadulterated horsecrap. Nobody is dying at an insane rate. There certainly are some serious issues that need to be constantly addressed but when you make a ridiculous statement like that, it becomes a joke.

Steve thanks for jumping in you know I have a ton of respect for ya!

are they not dieing at the same rate, I know you are a numbers wizard so was I just looking at them wrong ? The way people do polls and charts can always be super deceiving and only tell one story is why I ask.

 

[jcalz88]

Willing to bet many who served in korea and vietnam have different outlooks on things, that was then and this is now, two needless conflicts many committed ultimate sacarafice for little accomplishment in other terriroties of the world...far different than either of the WWs

Sorry I’m being a nerd but this conversation is super interesting to me. I think you hit the nail on the head more then it being a vet thing it may be more a generational divide.

 

[Pirate64]

we want our athletes to be roles models and stand up for what is right and most applaud them 24/7. But when they stand up for something people don’t like you see a reaction like the above.

I will 100% support our players if they decide to kneel or partake in any other and if you don’t think Kevin willard along with the athletics department will do the same then your in for a hell of a season.

I plead with you all to be on the right side of this one. Obviously time will tell and the winners write the history so we shall see.

We should be behind our guys 100% their friends And family members are dieing at an insane rate. They are crying out for help, will we hear it?

T

My uncle, a Medal of Honor winner in WW 2 and the highest honor a Gtwn athlete can get was named after him, and my dad (Navy Captain) are rolling over in theirs graves in disbelief at how the flag and anthem are being disrespected.

And so are my Dad and uncles. And dear friend, Leo Berg, who was 18 on when his ship hit a mine at Omaha on D Day.
Leo’s modest Forest Hills apt was filled with his Navy WW II memorabilia.
And in the center, The Flag,!

 

[Pirate64]

From the Times this morning about Policing- which is the cause of the current protests. Thomson is the former Police Chief of Camden.

Thomson:” Perhaps, in a different city, the police wouldn’t have been sent in Floyd’s case. In Camden, I had a supermarket that called the police a lot about shoplifting. People would go in — and I’m not saying it’s right, but they’re taking food because they’re hungry or they need to feed their family. Then the security guards at the store engaged them; they would get in a fight, and now it turns into a robbery. It got to the point where I asked them to design their store to make it more difficult for people to steal and to stop calling us constantly. Because we’re not going to continue to charge our entire population with robbery on these minimal offenses.”
But at what point do we stop looking the other way? A minimal offense? Not to the store owner who is eking out a small profit.

 

[Seton75]

Kaepernick put his ass on the line, paid the price for his decision, never backed down, and his industry blackballed him and never had the balls to admit they did. One of these actions seems purely american to me.

I bet alot have tons of respect for the traitors of the Confederate army who fought to break up this great country over the abolition of slavery...yeah, they deserve their statues...

 

[TheHall87]

Sorry I’m being a nerd but this conversation is super interesting to me. I think you hit the nail on the head more then it being a vet thing it may be more a generational divide.

I think this is a key point. It's certainly not the only factor but it's relevant to the conversation.

My late father was a Korean War veteran, a union man and a registered Republican who disliked Reagan for the way he treated unions. While I would never call him a liberal, I think his world view did move in that direction as he got older. I think people taking a knee for the National Anthem would bother him regardless of the reasoning if he were here today. I also think he would generally support police but would be bothered by the instances of brutality that have occurred.

My life experiences are different. I worked with many gay people both directly as co-workers and as clients. Having so many working relationships with members of that community changed my views and understanding of them greatly. As a result, I think I view other social issues differently than he would have.

While I am my father's son in many ways, I lean more liberal than he does. I may not condone kneeling, but I respect a person's right to do so. I also respect a person's right to disagree with that viewpoint.

 

[SPK145]

Steve thanks for jumping in you know I have a ton of respect for ya!

Thanks, you can still be my man even though you've ghosted me, LOL!

are they not dieing at the same rate, I know you are a numbers wizard so was I just looking at them wrong ? The way people do polls and charts can always be super deceiving and only tell one story is why I ask.

Of course unfortunately we all know that black people die at a greater clip than white people at the hands of the police but it's not some "insane" number that gets spun by many.

It's also unfortunately true that black people die at the hands of other black people at a far greater clip than they do from the police. But nobody takes a knee for that.

 

[SPK145]

Ok you’ve said temper tantrums in basically every response you’ve had and it’s enough. You may not agree with kneeling, you may not agree with the protests but to call them temper tantrums is incredibly disrespectful and lacks any bit of understanding of what these issues are and how important they are to many. I am respectfully asking you to stop calling them that.

Ridiculous, it was plainly clear he was referring to jcalz' posts here and nothing more than that. SMH.

 

[setoniansource]

Ok, throwing money at it, not quite the same. He only “protests” when he was being paid to do something else. Where is he now? If he truly believed in whatever his cause is he’d be out there fighting for it when he isn’t being paid to do his job and when the cameras were off. Instead he’s only interested in protesting when his temper tantrum can be caught on camera for a “look at me” moment!

They have a right to protest on their time, not mine! I will not be watching or attending any pro sports if that is what they intend to do. I don’t pay to watch temper tantrums.

I applaud our guys who have been active in making their voices heard 100%! However, just like no one gives a crap about my political leanings or things I would protest while I am working (that isn’t what they are paying me for), I do not give a crap about their political leanings or things they would protest when they are representing the university in a game as a member of any of our athletic teams. The Kaepernick temper tantrums are not a part of sports, no one is paying to see that! Do that crap and you will lose fans and donations!

You wish. You will definitely lose donors. Many here blame our alums and call them cheap To begin with and now you think a public temper tantrum is going to have them crawling out of the woodwork with open checkbooks!? Seton Hall definitely needs people with fundraising experience to begin with. Please don’t apply for that type of position, we don’t need to add to the problem.

Ah, but there is money involved in the form of season tickets and alumni donations. Embarrass the university with one of these “look at me” temper tantrums and you can be sure there will be a shit storm for the school to deal with. They are (hopefully) getting ready for a major fundraising campaign for a much needed practice facility. Do you really want to piss off and turn away your donors pulling a stunt like this?

These kids can protest and stay politically active all they like OFF THE PLAYING FIELDS! Once you put on your uniform you should be concentrating on the competition, not throwing a “look at me” temper tantrum!

anything else spk?

 

[SPK145]

anything else spk?

No idea what you are talking about here, you made a wrongly inferred post about SHUHoopsFan.

 

[jcalz88]

Ah, but there is money involved in the form of season tickets and alumni donations. Embarrass the university with one of these “look at me” temper tantrums and you can be sure there will be a shit storm for the school to deal with. They are (hopefully) getting ready for a major fundraising campaign for a much needed practice facility. Do you really want to piss off and turn away your donors pulling a stunt like this?

These kids can protest and stay politically active all they like OFF THE PLAYING FIELDS! Once you put on your uniform you should be concentrating on the competition, not throwing a “look at me” temper tantrum!

I am going to give this to you as straight as I can because at the end of the day I think you are most likely a good guy.

If you think for a second our guys are not protesting this season along with the majority of professional athletes then you are in for a hell of a ride.

If you also believe the school won’t back them and support them then you are in for another surprise.

Our athletes put asses in the seats, they put the seton hall brand on the map. We will only go as far as our athletic department does and this means the kids have the power.

Trust me when I tell you I have had this discussion with many alumni who are very involved with the school and they feel the same way.

You may not like what’s happening Or what’s going going to happen, but I want you to know there is no stopping it.

Get on the train now support our guys, support them trying to make there environments better and keep there friends and families safe.

If you chose not to no sweat off our backs because you have already said you are gone so you don’t matter to us at that point.

Again you have the right to do so, ant this a great county !!!

Also we don’t hate you brotha when you come around we’re here, let’s Help these kids what do ya say?

 

[SPK145]

I am going to give this to you as straight as I can because at the end of the day I think you are most likely a good guy.

If you think for a second our guys are not protesting this season along with the majority of professional athletes then you are in for a hell of a ride.

If you also believe the school won’t back them and support them then you are in for another surprise.

Our athletes put asses in the seats, they put the seton hall brand on the map. We will only go as far as our athletic department does and this means the kids have the power.

Trust me when I tell you I have had this discussion with many alumni who are very involved with the school and they feel the same way.

You may not like what’s happening Or what’s going going to happen, but I want you to know there is no stopping it.

Get on the train now support our guys, support them trying to make there environments better and keep there friends and families safe.

If you chose not to no sweat off our backs because you have already said you are gone so you don’t matter to us at that point.

Again you have the right to do so, ant this a great county !!!

Also we don’t hate you brotha when you come around we’re here, let’s Help these kids what do ya say?

Count me out if it's done at the expense of dignity and respect. Why not due it immediately after the anthem instead of the useless meet and greet at center court?

And the current players didn't make the Seton Hall brand nearly as much as those that came before them.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Count me out if it's done at the expense of dignity and respect. Why not due it immediately after the anthem instead of the useless meet and greet at center court?

And the current players didn't make the Seton Hall brand nearly as much as those that came before them.

I think you could get the whole arena to take a knee anytime other than during the anthem. The question is do people want to advance the message or fight the fight of kneeling during the anthem.

 

[setoniansource]

No idea what you are talking about here, you made a wrongly inferred post about SHUHoopsFan.

my initial post quotes SHUisNJsTeam so if you see a SHUHoopsFan quote then there is a glitch.

 

[SPK145]

my initial post quotes SHUisNJsTeam so if you see a SHUHoopsFan quote then there is a glitch.

Uh, yup, old eyes, LOL.

Same principle though, the post you quoted was clearly talking just about jcalz' post.

 

[setoniansource]

Uh, yup, old eyes, LOL.

Same principle though, the post you quoted was clearly talking just about jcalz' post.

he said it at least six times and my initial comment said he had repeatedly said it so if you want to cherry pick what I quoted instead of acknowledging my very clear point then you win, congrats.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

I am going to give this to you as straight as I can because at the end of the day I think you are most likely a good guy.

If you think for a second our guys are not protesting this season along with the majority of professional athletes then you are in for a hell of a ride.

If you also believe the school won’t back them and support them then you are in for another surprise.

Our athletes put asses in the seats, they put the seton hall brand on the map. We will only go as far as our athletic department does and this means the kids have the power.

Trust me when I tell you I have had this discussion with many alumni who are very involved with the school and they feel the same way.

You may not like what’s happening Or what’s going going to happen, but I want you to know there is no stopping it.

Get on the train now support our guys, support them trying to make there environments better and keep there friends and families safe.

If you chose not to no sweat off our backs because you have already said you are gone so you don’t matter to us at that point.

Again you have the right to do so, ant this a great county !!!

Also we don’t hate you brotha when you come around we’re here, let’s Help these kids what do ya say?

This is much bigger than the athletic department. There are plenty of proud shu alums who care about SHU more than basketball. There are plenty of people who donate good money to the school. If you protest in a manner that is viewed as disrespectful by them, they can and they will spend their money elsewhere. Others may make up the slack. They may not. But while I think nobody has a problem of symbol of a fight against police brutality, some may walk out and take their large sized donations with them, if there’s a protest during the anthem. Ultimately that will play a huge role in how the players protest. What happens to the school as a whole if the donations don’t come? People are facing financial struggles to begin with, enrollment in many schools is expected to go down, etc. If the style of protest pisses off your wealthy alums what happens?

 

[SPK145]

And actually I'd be surprised if our players chose to show disrespect, they're better than that and will probably come up with a better way to protest.

 

[jcalz88]

It’s not disrespectful!!!

I guess will always agree to disagree

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

It’s not disrespectful!!!

I guess will always agree to disagree

Whether it’s disrespectful or not disrespectful is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[SPK145]

I guess will always agree to disagree

Yup.

 

[HALL85]

Whether it’s disrespectful or not disrespectful is in the eye of the beholder.

This.

 

[dehere23]

Whether it’s disrespectful or not disrespectful is in the eye of the beholder.

Exactly. People feel strongly about this both ways you aren’t changing minds. Those who find it disrespectful and a reason to tune out whenever it occurs may well understand that the folks doing it say it is not intended to disrespect the flag or anthem. But that doesn’t and won’t matter to many of them, because it is when the act happens that bothers people, not the act itself or underlying message.

If I’m involved in a sport that benefits from fan attendance and interest, I would be really cautious about doing anything that may turn off a large segment, especially when there are plenty of other ways you can make the exact same point you supposedly want to make.

 

[Pirate64]

Willing to bet many who served in korea and vietnam have different outlooks on things, that was then and this is now, two needless conflicts many committed ultimate sacarafice for little accomplishment in other terriroties of the world...far different than either of the WWs

Well you’re talking to Sgt me. Nam was a disaster. but I was stationed in Ala, Got home in 69, chucked my uniform. But never would I disrespect the flag, given what it means and what it has meant to so many in terms of freedom and a better life.
I still stand proudly for the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem. If the University starts”taking a knee” I will be extremely disappointed.

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

Ok you’ve said temper tantrums in basically every response you’ve had and it’s enough. You may not agree with kneeling, you may not agree with the protests but to call them temper tantrums is incredibly disrespectful and lacks any bit of understanding of what these issues are and how important they are to many. I am respectfully asking you to stop calling them that.

You obviously missed it. Peaceful protests are fine and it’s the right of every American to peacefully protest anything they feel is wrong or unjust. When you protest at work or while representing an organization that’s when it turns into a temper tantrum. Feel free to agree to disagree on that point if you like. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Nowhere is it written that I must agree with your misguided opinion. Feel free to put me on ignore if you like.

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

Kaepernick put his ass on the line, paid the price for his decision, never backed down, and his industry blackballed him and never had the balls to admit they did. One of these actions seems purely american to me.

I bet alot have tons of respect for the traitors of the Confederate army who fought to break up this great country over the abolition of slavery...yeah, they deserve their statues...

If Kapernick had as much talent as he believes he possesses he would be employed as an NFL player. He doesn’t, so he’s not. He certainly doesn’t have enough talent for anyone to put up with his temper tantrums.

 

[dehere23]

I agree with much of what you say, except that protesting at work is not a right, and one can be fired or removed from their job in many, many cases if they were to do so. I do a fair amount of public speaking for a living; if in the midst of a speech to a large group, as a representative of my employer, I were to protest something, do something controversial or whatever, I could be fired, and I would have absolutely no First Amendment case to be made against my employer.

 

[Seton75]

My families immigrated here, one around the time of the revolution, one on the 1880s. They decided to come here. They were welcomed. My mom has the most German sounding last name there is, her family never were mistreated during wwii.

Other people got here in different ways, have been treated differently.

Is it hard to understand how the brother of a kid who was sexually molested by the clergy has a different feeling towards the symbols of his faith than a happy devout family who encountered only welcome, understanding and guidance from their clergy?

And he guy knelt. Big freaking deal.

Great tweet about Laura Ingraham on zags, how lebron should shut up, but brees has the right to his opinion.

 

[dehere23]

If Kapernick had as much talent as he believes he possesses he would be employed as an NFL player. He doesn’t, so he’s not. He certainly doesn’t have enough talent for anyone to put up with his temper tantrums.

This is no doubt true as well. We all know if Kap was at a point where folks thought he was on the level of a Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, Jackson, Wilson, Ryan etc, he would have been signed years ago. NFL teams have taken the PR hit and controversy for plenty of guys where they think the production outweighs the distraction.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

My families immigrated here, one around the time of the revolution, one on the 1880s. They decided to come here. They were welcomed. My mom has the most German sounding last name there is, her family never were mistreated during wwii.

Other people got here in different ways, have been treated differently.

Is it hard to understand how the brother of a kid who was sexually molested by the clergy has a different feeling towards the symbols of his faith than a happy devout family who encountered only welcome, understanding and guidance from their clergy?

And he guy knelt. Big freaking deal.

Great tweet about Laura Ingraham on zags, how lebron should shut up, but brees has the right to his opinion.

My ancestors took an English test. They also were at risk of being sent back if they had any form of disease if they failed a physical.

Lebron is entitled to his opinion and so is Brees. It’s really sad Brees received death threats for his opinion. This from a guy who just gave $5 million for food in the community 2 months ago. He deserves better and probably would be in his best interest to be traded.

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

It’s not disrespectful!!!

I guess will always agree to disagree

Maybe it’s not disrespectful to you. However it is incredibly disrespectful to others. That’s a point you don’t seem to comprehend.

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

I am going to give this to you as straight as I can because at the end of the day I think you are most likely a good guy.

If you think for a second our guys are not protesting this season along with the majority of professional athletes then you are in for a hell of a ride.

If you also believe the school won’t back them and support them then you are in for another surprise.

Our athletes put asses in the seats, they put the seton hall brand on the map. We will only go as far as our athletic department does and this means the kids have the power.

Trust me when I tell you I have had this discussion with many alumni who are very involved with the school and they feel the same way.

You may not like what’s happening Or what’s going going to happen, but I want you to know there is no stopping it.

Get on the train now support our guys, support them trying to make there environments better and keep there friends and families safe.

If you chose not to no sweat off our backs because you have already said you are gone so you don’t matter to us at that point.

Again you have the right to do so, ant this a great county !!!

Also we don’t hate you brotha when you come around we’re here, let’s Help these kids what do ya say?

Our guys have been involved in protests already and I have a ton of respect for them standing up for what is right and for what they believe in. However, you keep it off the court and off the playing fields. It doesn’t belong there and, in the case of college athletics, you will alienate season ticket holders and donors.

 

[SPK145]

Great tweet about Laura Ingraham on zags, how lebron should shut up, but brees has the right to his opinion.

She’s tone deaf and another hypocritical political hack.

Where’s the great Lebron on Brees though? Or China? Another political hypocritical hack.

 

[HALL85]

If Kapernick had as much talent as he believes he possesses he would be employed as an NFL player. He doesn’t, so he’s not. He certainly doesn’t have enough talent for anyone to put up with his temper tantrums.

+1. Kap didn’t take any risk. His best days were behind him and he took a controversial position and cashed in. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was contrived along with Nike execs.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

+1. Kap didn’t take any risk. His best days were behind him and he took a controversial position and cashed in. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was contrived along with Nike execs.

Trade Drew Brees to New England. New Orleans then signs Kap as the QB there. Let’s see how much the people of New Orleans hate Drew Brees and love Kap. Something tells me the players will wish Brees is back because Brees can win them games and make them more money.