Mueller Report - Grab your popcorn
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I’m looking forward to ignoring all of the opinionists who haven’t read the damn report, but have so much to say about it.
I won't pile on. There are so many more of these plus all of Cern's and Han Solo's gratuitous "likes" to your posts.
beep....beep.....beep...beep
The sound of liberals backing up.
I can't wait for the teflon response that suggests y'all were just concerned for our country.
Wait til this train turns around and runs up Obama's and Hillary's arse,
Let's move on now and focus on the intelligent comments of "Mad" Maxine Waters.
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Looking forward to seeing how that is summarized in the report. Not sure why that is forgivable from anyone.
Barr mentioned a scope that is incredibly limited here in that the Trump campaign did not participate in the hacking of e-mail's, and then said anyone working with wikileaks on releasing the e-mails wouldn't have been illegal so no one from the Trump campaign participated in "illegal" activity.
Also Trump appears to only have obstructed because he was frustrated which is apparently legal?
Glad we got the pre-spin out of the way though.
We'll see what the report says.I hope it does address things like Junior taking that meeting, manafort sharing polling data etc and also the details of the other investigations which have been farmed out as a result of this investigation.
I never thought the Trump campaign directly participated in the hacking and that has all that has been addressed by Barr so far... and I hope the report is not limited to that.
My belief was that Russia wanted Trump to win because they have leverage over him. I hope the report addresses that and would be happy to be wrong.
Inferring from Barr's press conferee that the Trump campaign working with WikiLeaks to release e-mail could not be an illegal conspiracy because wikileaks didn't help hack the e-mail.
Here is Mike Pompeo on wikileaks.
“It is time to call out wikileaks for what it really is – a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia.”
Are you all on board that is something that is ok?
Here is Mike Pompeo on wikileaks.
“It is time to call out wikileaks for what it really is – a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia.”
Are you all on board that is something that is ok?
Have you ever heard of the expression "cut your losses"?
Or perhaps Kenny Rogers advice?
"You've got to know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away
And know when to run"
I'll throw you a bone. Here's a graceful exit strategy: You fought the good fight. You had an interesting theory that turned out to be not true. You did a great job bringing out some very good points but in the end it didn't play out the way you hoped.
It's over.
Kind of like Powell 3-pointer didn't drop at the end of the Big East.
We still love you Merge. Come'on, give me a bro hug!
Did you check with Cern before posting this?
We're not supposed to post anything until after we read the report.
I finished watching "The Americans" on Amazon Prime a few weeks ago. Reading the first 35 pages of the Mueller report and in particular about the IRA, the parallels are stunning.
My military service was in the Cold War era and we were trained in aspects of imbedded Soviet spies. This brings back memories.
My military service was in the Cold War era and we were trained in aspects of imbedded Soviet spies. This brings back memories.
I'm only through a portion, and probably way too much to summarize on my phone, but a few quick points.
"Collusion" pops out pretty quickly. I think it was page 6 discussing the backchannel between Manafort and Kilimnik. Not enough for a criminal conspiracy though and that's fair.
Junior was not charged with a crime because Mueller did not feel it could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he was aware of campaign finance laws. Im assuming one of the redacted matters is junior lying to congress though based on the fact that Prince appeared to receive immunity for something and was in the room with junior in the Pay group discussion (which Jr lied about to congress)
I don't believe Barr characterized the conclusions properly in his memo, or his press conference at all.
Seemed fairly clear that Mueller believed he could not charge Trump with obstruction due to DOJ rules, but laid out the case that there was plenty of it and wanted to send it to the proper oversight channel which is Congress.
Overall I think the report was pretty bad for Trump. It looks like he will face some legal issues once he is out of office, just not sure how much yet.
"Collusion" pops out pretty quickly. I think it was page 6 discussing the backchannel between Manafort and Kilimnik. Not enough for a criminal conspiracy though and that's fair.
Junior was not charged with a crime because Mueller did not feel it could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he was aware of campaign finance laws. Im assuming one of the redacted matters is junior lying to congress though based on the fact that Prince appeared to receive immunity for something and was in the room with junior in the Pay group discussion (which Jr lied about to congress)
I don't believe Barr characterized the conclusions properly in his memo, or his press conference at all.
Seemed fairly clear that Mueller believed he could not charge Trump with obstruction due to DOJ rules, but laid out the case that there was plenty of it and wanted to send it to the proper oversight channel which is Congress.
Overall I think the report was pretty bad for Trump. It looks like he will face some legal issues once he is out of office, just not sure how much yet.
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What is telling about this, especially given the focus of the content of the 80 pages you have based your comments on, is that you summarize this relative to Trump. The big concern is not Trump or his campaign.
The thing you should be concerned about is the depth of Russian interference. Where is your concern that ta foreign company formed political rallies on US soil? Where you concern for the rest of the crap done by GRU and IRA and the rest of the Russian machine?
I recall a few posts from several of the left leaning folks on this board like "for the sake of country". Your only concern and hope was that Trump would be found guilty and impeached. Now you are disappointed and even more bitter. This is just like election night all over. You all hoped and were let down.
Show some concern for the real problem outlined in that report.
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Can you tell me where your bought your X-Ray vision glasses? I would like to get some.
I am neither and it’s not me with a bias to reconcile. Radio silence would be a better play than continuing on. It’s embarrassing.
So basically this continues to be about Trump resistance. While the investigation uncovers more of the details of what occurred, I don’t see how this is “really bad” as you’re depicting it although we know you haven’t been objective to begin with on this.
The more important questions are a) what Pirata suggested, that if anything, we SHOULD be outraged that Russia tried to interfere and focus our energies on preventing that from happening again and b) is it really a good idea for Congress to pursue continued investigations of Trump rather than focus on the important issues we face (healthcare, border security, opioid crisis, etc.)?
To quote Col. Trautman: “It’s over Johnny”.
Given that I have expressed my opinions here on a few items specifically (collusion, obstruction, Trump Jr and Manafort) I first skimmed the report for references to those matters. After that I started back at the beginning from page 1 and I am not done yet.
That's not remotely close to being true. This report did not cover the counterintelligence investigation. The gang of 8 is expected to be briefed by the FBI on that soon. Mueller did not really get into the "why" Russia helped Trump and if it is something beyond a more likely favorable candidate or if it was a candidate they could control. I've said from day 1 that my concern with Russia was that they have some kind of leverage over Trump. Be honest, with your cold war era military service training, what are the chances in the 30 years since Trump started developing relations in Russia, what are the chances they do not have leverage over him? Are Russians just really bad at this?
I have plenty and have expressed it many times here. This report just didn't cover it and I doubt we have a full understanding of what occurred until after Trump is out of office.
It's an assumption on a Prince proffer agreement. He was in the room with Jr in a meeting they both lied about to congress. My assumption is that Prince agreed to save his ass by turning on someone.
I believe I have adequately expressed that over the last couple years. Having the president acknowlege what happened would be a fantastic start.
Probably not smart politically but they can and should do both. Pretty clear Mueller intended congress to make the call on obstruction and I expect they will fulfill their responsibility to do so.
Well, we are going to agree to disagree. I would prefer Congress legislate rather than continue to waste energy on another investigation.
And I guess now that that Mueller has crashed your collusion conspiracy, we are now onto how Russia has some type of nefarious "control" over Trump. Another day; another merge conspiracy....
Mueller did not crash my theory at all, quite the opposite. Whether the evidnece he found was enough to prove a criminal conspiracy is another matter but there was some collusion.
And again, my concern all along was Russia having leverage over trump.
My assumption all along was that this wasn't a quid pro quo kind of arrangement, and that it had more to do with Putin having influence over the US presidency.
^ 2 years ago.
It’s 4th and 99. It’s time to punt and stop with the disingenuous and intellectually dishonest defenses and deflections.
It should be over, but it won't be. It's time to focus on real issues like healthcare and immigration. There's no definitive eveidence of collusion nor does this report exonerate Trump. Keeping this thing alive plays right into Trump's 2020 hands. Democrats need a leader, direction, and a purpose to rally around. Trump-Russia is doing nothing and is almost 3 years old.
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Utter nonsense. You could not have possibly read the first 80 pages and come to that conclusion.
Merge, I don't want to battle with you but you can't serious with this.
I don't want to overstate my cold war training. It was one small part of many things we were taught at that time. I am not an espionage expert. Having said that, I don't see a scenario where they would have leverage. Trump's life is completely exposed to the media.
Are you saying that perhaps Trump committed a treasonous act years ago and Russians are threatening to expose that? I do not find that plausible. He woul dnot have run for president knowing the scrutiny that was coming
If you are suggesting the leverage is related potential business like Trump Moscow, I do not find that plausible.
Again, I ask a legitimate question. What scenario are you proposing?
Where in the report does it opine if Russia has leverage (financial or otherwise) over Trump?
It got into what Russia did, it did not go into why Russia did it.
Interesting "opinion" article in the WSJ on the Report. Very telling that Mueller's charge was not to investigate obstruction at all but half his report covers the obstruction issue. Could he have been trying to stick up for the FBI and Comey and his fellow patriots?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/muellers-report-speaks-volumes-11555629994?mod=hp_opin_pos2
Also very telling that Mueller could not come up with a collusion charge that would stick. That is the bottom line folks. I'm a conservative but not a lover of Trump at all but this nets it out.
Dems will now continue to dig as long as it takes to lead up the election. This is now US politics. Just attack the other side relentlessly and forget about getting anything done for the masses so you can win the next election. Sad really. Happened to Clinton and now it happened to Trump. Citizens be damned....
Oh and by the way unemployment just hit a 50 year low but look away from the facts folks. As much as Trump is an orange headed windbag who says some of the dumbest things I have ever heard, the Repub economic policies are taking hold and things are slowly improving. Per H&R Block 95% of the NJ taxpayers they worked with paid less taxes even with the lower SALT deduction. Surprising but factual.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/muellers-report-speaks-volumes-11555629994?mod=hp_opin_pos2
Also very telling that Mueller could not come up with a collusion charge that would stick. That is the bottom line folks. I'm a conservative but not a lover of Trump at all but this nets it out.
Dems will now continue to dig as long as it takes to lead up the election. This is now US politics. Just attack the other side relentlessly and forget about getting anything done for the masses so you can win the next election. Sad really. Happened to Clinton and now it happened to Trump. Citizens be damned....
Oh and by the way unemployment just hit a 50 year low but look away from the facts folks. As much as Trump is an orange headed windbag who says some of the dumbest things I have ever heard, the Repub economic policies are taking hold and things are slowly improving. Per H&R Block 95% of the NJ taxpayers they worked with paid less taxes even with the lower SALT deduction. Surprising but factual.
More likely past business, but we don't know the answer yet.
I mean, Trump casino had to pay 10 million for AML violations. There is a lot of risk that Trump was involved in money laundering with Russia when you read into his real estate dealings.
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