Mueller Report - Grab your popcorn
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The FBI is going to brief the gang of 8 on the counterintelligence investigation. None of that information is in this report and yet somehow you think we have a full picture?
You are an opinion of one. (perhaps two, pending the like from Han Solo or Cern)
$25 Million, 19 attorneys, 2800 subpoenas, 500 warrants, 2 years, and a 400 page report that says no collusion and you are still stating there is collusion.
You were barking up the wrong tree. You did state that you were also concerned that Putin would try to influence election which is accurate.
That is the issue.
We should be all over the CIA, FBI counter-intelligence, Zuckerberg, Dorsey
Here is one example.
"Separately, on August 2, 2016, Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort met in New York City with his long time business associate Konstantin Kilimnik, who the FBI assesses to have ties to Russian intelligence. Kilimnik requested the meeting to deliver in person a peace plan for Ukraine that Manafort acknowledged to the Special Counsel's Office was a "backdoor" way for Russia to control part of eastern Ukraine both men believed the plan would require candidate Trump's assent to succeed (were he to be elected President). They also discussed the status of the Trump Campaign and Manafort' s strategy for winning Democratic votes in Midwestern states. Months before that meeting, Manafort had caused internal polling data to be shared with Kilimnik,and the sharing continued for some period of time after their August meeting."
Let me suggest this. Get yourself a Netflix subscription and watch Ozark. That might alleviate your jones for a money laundering fantasy.
I've watched. It's a good show.
Though, that show doesn't answer the questions surrounding Trump's financing from Russia after no US bank's would touch him because of the bankruptcies.
and?
That is an initial one paragraph blip over-viewing interference (not collusion) in the early part of the reprot. (Page 14).
You need to read the full Manafort section Pages 129-144 and a little beyond for some related stuff.
Why do you find that troubling? Our banks are regulated much more than many foreign countries. He went where he could do business.
Your business world may be contained to the US. Life is quite different once you step off our soil.
Only troubling in context. He had a history of noncompliance with money laundering laws at his casino and there were other red flags within his real estate deals... but again, financial leverage over Trump doesn't even need to be criminal. We should have an understanding of how much debt Trump owes and to who and if they could have influence over US policy due to those debts?
Seriously Merge, with all the people that have had an ax to grind with Trump and were close to him (Like Cohen, etc.), don't you think someone would have suggested that Trump was seriously indebted to Russia financially? I know you desperately want to see his taxes to go down that rabbit hole to support this particular conspiracy theory, but you are no Mel Gibson....lol
I wouldn't expect anyone to out Trump on any financial dealings because they are being investigated. Cohen is not going to talk about ongoing investigations and blow his chances to reduce his time in jail.
I really don't think it is a conspiracy theory to want to understand if someone has financial leverage over our president. Again, the president with the biggest risk of that being the case just happens to be the one fighting against financial transparency the hardest.
That makes no sense, because they were all questioned by Mueller and had their opportunity to share all of that "Russian control" you fanaticize about, if it had an ounce of being true....
You are clearly obsessed with this and want him impeached. I get that. At least you and the other TDS teamates have stopped with the "noose is tightening" and other gloom and doom sayings.
I'm not obsessed nor do I want him impeached.
I want transparency over any presidents potential conflicts and want Democrats to beat Trump soundly at the polls in 2020.
By the way, don’t think you ever answered my question about which Dem candidates you like at this point. What do you think?
Beto. He feels no need to give to charity because he serves public office. So all of us who volunteer our time in local charities and non profits, feel no need to thrown $20 in the basket on Easter. LOL
Very telling that he makes well over $350k per year but only gives a little over $1,000 to charity? That is all I need to know.
Over Trump? Any of them, but the leader for my vote currently is Buttigieg.
My preference for the top of the ticket based on a variety of factors would be Buttigieg, Harris, Warren, Kobuchar, Biden and Booker.
It's justified. He works in public office and spends his time making the world a better place. So all of us who volunteer coaching youth sports, teaching CCD, etc that's enough charity.
Is it me or do you get the feeling Beto is going to flame out as fast as he became the next shiny thing. I never understood his charisma...I don't see it. Reminds me of Dylan from Modern Family
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He's flamed out already. Mayor Pete is the new thing.Is it me or do you get the feeling Beto is going to flame out as fast as he became the next shiny thing. I never understood his charisma...I don't see it. Reminds me of Dylan from Modern Family
Mayor Pete. Oh yes. I guess they couldn't get the mayor of Hooterville.
I can hear it now The wonderful narrative about how he's a Harvard grad, worked for Mckinsey, is gay and naval intelligence officer.
I will bet you five bucks his naval service was in the S5 or G5 of some unit. In my day that was callef as a REMF. I'm sure the MSM classify him as a war hero.
So y'all want a 37-year-old mayor of podunkcitay as the leader of the most powerful nation in the United States.
And spare me the retort that will say anything is better than Trump. If that's how you feel then send me your reduction in taxes and your gain in your 401k.
Beautiful!
I can hear it now The wonderful narrative about how he's a Harvard grad, worked for Mckinsey, is gay and naval intelligence officer.
I will bet you five bucks his naval service was in the S5 or G5 of some unit. In my day that was callef as a REMF. I'm sure the MSM classify him as a war hero.
So y'all want a 37-year-old mayor of podunkcitay as the leader of the most powerful nation in the United States.
And spare me the retort that will say anything is better than Trump. If that's how you feel then send me your reduction in taxes and your gain in your 401k.
Beautiful!
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I'm intrigued by Buttigieg. I'd vote for Biden despite his age. Hoping he comes out and says he will only serve one term if elected. I wouldn't vote for any of the others you listed, too radical.
I battle every day with Trump. One one hand, I like a lot of the things he has done. I like how he has shaken up the system. But his personal conduct, hyper partisanship and lingering cloud of the Mueller issue holds me back from wanting to cast a vote for him. I couldn't do it in 2016, not sure I'll be able to do it in 2020 either.
I mean, unless youre planning on voting in the den primary, it doesnt really matter what you think. The nominee isnt getting your vote anyway.
Yes. Mayor Pete is my favorite candidate as I believe in his messaging and he has been very impressive in his interviews. The one with Preet sold me on him. Worth a listen.
Sorry he's not manly enough for you.
Sure, as long as you send in the gains you got in your 401k from Obama's term. Deal?
"In sum, the investigation established multiple links between Trump Campaign officials and individuals tied to the Russian government. Those links included Russian offers of assistance to the Campaign. In some instances, the Campaign was receptive to the offer, while in other instances the Campaign officials shied away. Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities."
Haven't read the obstruction parts yet.
Haven't read the obstruction parts yet.
I've thought about that as well. Biden would really need a home run VP pick as someone who wpuld be ready to take over in 4 years. I'm not sure who that is at this point.
I think Biden would probably be the strongest candidate in the general but I'm not optimistic about him in the primary
Biden is the Dems version of Quincy McKnight. Great defense, brought in the game to prevent Bernie (Markus Howard) from getting the nomination. (Also is going to get called for a lot of touch fouls and grabbing....lol). His offense is limited though and not sure what you’re going to get. What is he going to lead with? Jobs, green deal, etc. What will he lead with?
If Congressional Democrats keep chasing this obstruction issue it plays into Trumps hand for 2020. Trump needs enemies to win and you will hear nonstop “No Collusion” and “Presidential Harassment” non-stop in his messaging. Everything else will be background noise and divert attention from the real issues we face. Focus energy on 2020.
Good analogy. I think he needs a VP pick that people would be excited about and he probably needs to announce who it is during the primary. His best message is "I'm best suited to take on Trump" which will work for about a day or 2.
I agree its bad politics but I think doing the right thing is more important than politics.
The 2020 candidates should focus on the messaging for the future, but there are still some questions that should be answered for proper oversight of the office
While he did get assessed a fine by FinCEN, I think its a bit of stretch to go to "alot of risk that Trump was involved in money laundering with Russia."
Reading the matter, it seems like a lack of regulatory compliance such as not having written policies, procedures, lack of training programs, failure to file reports (He filed 69 reports but failed to file 55 others), etc.
The matter: https://www.fincen.gov/sites/default/files/shared/20150302 Assessment of Civil Money Penalty Trump Taj Mahal (post-approval by bankruptcy court).pdf
Given they were Chapter 11 at the time, is it possible the "willful violation" was because they did not have the resources to adequate comply?
Western Union was fined $585M. Are they 60 times the money launderer that you hope Trump is?
I assume you know that Taj Mahal is not the only casino ever fined for BSA non-compliance.
Among the regulation alphabet soup are BSA, HIPAA, FERPA, SOX, OSHA, (My favorite OSHA BS is the industry built around the 42 inch stair rail requirement). Perhaps this is one of the reasons Trump is passionate about reducing regulation.
I think the main lesson of the Mueller report is the reaffirmation that if you align yourself with Donald Trump it eventually goes bad for you. Sometimes it is quick (Manafort); sometimes it takes a while (Cohen) but the outcome is always the same.
Doing the right thing in politics? What ever happened with Virginia? Doing the right thing wasn’t more important than politics.
If that were the only issue, sure... but then you see the cast of characters which were involved in investments or purchases of Trump properties.
There is a decent amount of risk there, and proper oversight requires that someone has an understanding of if there are issues or not.
It doesn't have to be public disclosure, but the executive branch is not above oversight.
If Trump wasn't president and was just trying to get security clearance because he had a position in someone else's administration, would he have issues getting clearance? Maybe the same as Kushner had for similar issues?
What’s the priority, “doing the right thing” or electing a new president in 2020. A continued investigation and the election process are connected.
There is a great series on Netflix called “Dirty Money”. I would suggest you watch the three episodes on Trump, HSBC and Valeant.
You know how much I dislike Trump, and I agree that the investigations are not politically smart for democrats but I personally don't think we should abandon oversight for political gain.
One of my (many) personality fails is my insistence on holding myself and those around me to the highest possible standard. It pains me each time I fail.
If the Republican Party stopped worrying about what the Democratic Party didn't do and started holding themselves accountable in a meaningful way they would be an unstoppable political juggernaut.
If the Republican Party stopped worrying about what the Democratic Party didn't do and started holding themselves accountable in a meaningful way they would be an unstoppable political juggernaut.
I’m not suggesting we abandon oversight, but what Nader is suggesting is foolish. Your conspiracy theory on Russian money laundering is far fetched (which is something Nadler isn’t even hinting at. I’m not a Trump fan either, but everyone keeps taking his bait and the result will be another four years.
All this nonsense just feeds his brand. IMO there is nothing nefarious about Trump. He is a different version of the Kardashian’s and if you look at his past, most of his wealth has been created by licensing his name. The primary reason that he won’t release his taxes because when you add up his assets, my guess is his claimed wealth is vastly overstated and that would be the greatest harm to his brand.
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